kimmy Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Yeah... Because the Reichstag Fire was really set by Marius Vander Lubbe... The S.A never attacked,beat up,and/or,killed anyone without provocation. Because Benito Mussolini's Fascists never beat up,or killed anyone. Because Francisco Franco never set up concentration camps after the Spanish Civil war. Because Oliviera Salazar never imprisoned anyone who criticized the Portuguese government... Theoretically, violence and oppression could be compatible with any portion of the political spectrum. But you've got to admit, here and now it's the left that are using violence. Setting fire to the bank in Ottawa, smashing windows in Vancouver, attacking an Olympic torch carrier, using violence to suppress speakers they disagree with, rioting to protest the G8 or APEC or whatever else is in town... -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Theoretically, violence and oppression could be compatible with any portion of the political spectrum. But you've got to admit, here and now it's the left that are using violence. Setting fire to the bank in Ottawa, smashing windows in Vancouver, attacking an Olympic torch carrier, using violence to suppress speakers they disagree with, rioting to protest the G8 or APEC or whatever else is in town... -k At the moment? Yeah... Then again,we only have to look at the Fascist Chinese(they're no longer leftists) for authoritarian right wing oppression of an entire populous....Or most of SubSaharan Africa..Or Syria..Or... Neither is better than the other,but there's still alot of thugggish Fascists around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 yeah violence and censorship is "the left wing's thang", they're big into sending mobs of antifa to terrorize old ladies and stage bomb threats at "right wing conventions".... the right wing unfortunately hold themselves to much higher standards then their opponents. What a pile of crap! Right wing militias have spawned mass murder before (Tim McVeigh), have been large scale attacks right now (Hutaree Christian Militia), and when bad comes to worse, they will fill the role of the Brown Shirts in a homegrown patriotic fascist government. Eugene Robinson puts the false equivalence between the threat from the right compared to threat of an imagined leftwing conspiracy in the proper perspective: It is dishonest for right-wing commentators to insist on an equivalence that does not exist. The danger of political violence in this country comes overwhelmingly from one direction -- the right, not the left. The vitriolic, anti-government hate speech that is spewed on talk radio every day -- and, quite regularly, at Tea Party rallies -- is calibrated not to inform but to incite. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/29/AR2010032901891.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Theoretically, violence and oppression could be compatible with any portion of the political spectrum. But you've got to admit, here and now it's the left that are using violence. Setting fire to the bank in Ottawa, smashing windows in Vancouver, attacking an Olympic torch carrier, using violence to suppress speakers they disagree with, rioting to protest the G8 or APEC or whatever else is in town... -k Wow! The sky is falling. When civil order starts to fail, the fascists usually prevail over the socialists. The right highlights the few examples where leftwing Marxist revolutions have succeeded, but which side has won the most civil wars? Hint: the one that has the wealthiest citizens supporting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 yeah violence and censorship is "the left wing's thang", they're big into sending mobs of antifa to terrorize old ladies and stage bomb threats at "right wing conventions".... the right wing unfortunately hold themselves to much higher standards then their opponents. And i'm pretty sure a left wing irreconcilable would much rather use fists rather then words. So I take it you are the spokesman for the un-PC and higher standard right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 (edited) Wow! The sky is falling. When civil order starts to fail, the fascists usually prevail over the socialists. The right highlights the few examples where leftwing Marxist revolutions have succeeded, but which side has won the most civil wars? Hint: the one that has the wealthiest citizens supporting it. True. Obviously, the forces backed by wealth are going to be ultimately an Establishment force, even if they're opposed to a certain party or strain of government. Edited June 8, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 How about the young woman who ? She's willing to say so in polite company, but I bet that more than a few people would be willing to give her a pop in the nose for saying so. That's true, but I'm not so sure what automatically makes a muslim jew-hater left wing. It couldn't be the jew-hating, and the muslim part, all in all, is really quite conservative. Perhaps a better example would be that 90-year-old White House press lady who just got fired. It's hard to tell whether or not she took a couple of shots to the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Yeah... Because the Reichstag Fire was really set by Marius Vander Lubbe... The S.A never attacked,beat up,and/or,killed anyone without provocation. Because Benito Mussolini's Fascists never beat up,or killed anyone. Because Francisco Franco never set up concentration camps after the Spanish Civil war. Because Oliviera Salazar never imprisoned anyone who criticized the Portuguese government... Whiffy strikes again!!! Lictor,you've gotta shorten your swing!!! C'mon...Tighten it up,pal!!! YOu realize that the majority of these acts were perpetrated AGAINST communists who used far more thuggish tactics... You had to be hard in the 30's to fight communists... they were not above kidnapping, assassination, false flag ops, mob riots, arson etc... The nazis were resolved not to be intimidated... so they fought fire with fire... And that is still a shade better then having to submit to a huge GULAG with millions in bondage and millions more left to die in the scrap heap of the work and death camps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 At the moment? Yeah... Then again,we only have to look at the Fascist Chinese(they're no longer leftists) for authoritarian right wing oppression of an entire populous....Or most of SubSaharan Africa..Or Syria..Or... Neither is better than the other,but there's still alot of thugggish Fascists around... To call the Chinese fascists is irresponsible... They are a hybrid form of national socialism but that is not automatically the type of fascism that was in place such regions as Italy for instance. Of course if China was marxist and left wing socialists, they<d be a failed state... the fact that marxism is a sham ideology (that is economically out of touch with reality) hasn't for some reason persuaded them to change their self description as a communist people's republic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 That's true, but I'm not so sure what automatically makes a muslim jew-hater left wing. It couldn't be the jew-hating, and the muslim part, all in all, is really quite conservative. Perhaps a better example would be that 90-year-old White House press lady who just got fired. It's hard to tell whether or not she took a couple of shots to the face. Here in North America, Hamas supporters, Palestinian rights activists, the folks calling Israel an "apartheid" state (and so forth) tend to be almost exclusively the left. That doesn't really parse in terms of breaking down left-right in purely economics terms, but the same can be said for equating racism with the far right. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 To call the Chinese fascists is irresponsible... They are a hybrid form of national socialism but that is not automatically the type of fascism that was in place such regions as Italy for instance. Of course if China was marxist and left wing socialists, they<d be a failed state... the fact that marxism is a sham ideology (that is economically out of touch with reality) hasn't for some reason persuaded them to change their self description as a communist people's republic. If a government used to be a collectivist,agrarian,state controlled economy,totalitarian,authoritarian regime that followed the teachings of Marx and Engels,as Mao Tse Tung did,you would have a classic communist government.They would be described as an extreme left government. If that country's government embraces corporatism( quasi free markets),private property ownership,personal life insurance etc,but still is a top down,centralized,authoritarian,and,now increasingly nationalistic that country no longer fits the definition of "leftists".In fact,they've easily flipped into an extreme right wing state.ie.Fascist. When one looks at the extremes of the poltical spectrum,it's not that hard to do...I suspect crypto-Fascist is a better term for China... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Lictor you just getting worse and worse, seek prefessional help imediately. I was going to suggest he seek a conscience, but I suspect he's probably an incurable sociopath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Here in North America, Hamas supporters, Palestinian rights activists, the folks calling Israel an "apartheid" state (and so forth) tend to be almost exclusively the left. That doesn't really parse in terms of breaking down left-right in purely economics terms, but the same can be said for equating racism with the far right. -k Yeah,but kimmy... It's all a semantic game.Most people on the extreme left side with those things because of a deep seated hatred for free market Capitalism.The nation state embodiment of Capitalism is the United States.Every one of those things you've mentioned is a flashpoint for those types because they see the U.S at the root of all the problems in that region..Most are Marxists or extreme Socialists(which is probably one in the same)so whatever they can do to oppose Capitalism,they are going to do. The extreme right is a little different.They rarely call themselves Fascist anymore,because of the obvious negative connotation...They usually call themselves "Nationalists"...Naionalism is one of the major tenets of Fascism,ie.The State above all!.That usualy morphs into an "us vs them" sort of thing...Which logically extends to a "We are better than them!" sort of thing...Which extends into a "We are superior to them!" sort of thing...Which tends to,unfortunately,extend to a "We are so superior to them that they are inferior,and therefore,should be subjugated and exterminated before they can ever infect our superior nature!" sort of thing. The point is that they are both extreme,poorly thought out positions lacking in nuance and a deep understanding of any societal situation.They can also veer off,under the guise of the "greater good",into very dangerous areas where history shows us alot of people die. I guess the only answer is vigillance and exposing people of either extreme for what they really are.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1283861/Claudia-Schiffers-woman-black-provokes-fashion-race-row.html "Claudia Schiffer has been accused of racial insensitivity after appearing on a magazine cover made up as a black woman." Its not enough that Cludia SChiffer was used in many media roles to encourage racial mixing (usually by being with ugly gutter monkeys that talk in undecipherable ebonics) With the PC left, you're never in the clear... maybe she should have married a pockfaced baboon like Heidi Klum did. That's the role of blonde superbeauties in the media: copulate with blacks, the uglier, stupider and more violent ones too.... the better! Why is this garbage allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 care to be specific on what I wrote that's wrong and deserving of psychiatric care? Calling people gutter monkeys and pock faced baboons, if not indicative of a pschiatric disorder, is indicative of a very immature and childish outlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I was going to suggest he seek a conscience, but I suspect he's probably an incurable sociopath. I'm thinking of a lead solution at this point, but I've got an issue with doing that just because someone is being a rageing bigot on an internet forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I'm thinking of a lead solution at this point, but I've got an issue with doing that just because someone is being a rageing bigot on an internet forum. OH! a "lead" solution... you're upset that I don't follow your TV religion so you want to shoot me dead? and I'm the "raging bigot"! death threats is taking it to another level... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) OH! a "lead" solution... you're upset that I don't follow your TV religion so you want to shoot me dead? and I'm the "raging bigot"! death threats is taking it to another level... Uh... Ya' don't think equating Negroids with lower hominids,like baboons,is a little bit on the bigoted side? Edited June 9, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Yeah,but kimmy... It's all a semantic game.Most people on the extreme left side with those things because of a deep seated hatred for free market Capitalism.The nation state embodiment of Capitalism is the United States.Every one of those things you've mentioned is a flashpoint for those types because they see the U.S at the root of all the problems in that region..Most are Marxists or extreme Socialists(which is probably one in the same)so whatever they can do to oppose Capitalism,they are going to do. That's an interesting theory, and one I'll have to consider. Another theory is that many on the left tend to reflexively take the side of people they perceive as sympathetic (especially oppressed brown-people), regardless of the merits of the situation. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 That's an interesting theory, and one I'll have to consider. Another theory is that many on the left tend to reflexively take the side of people they perceive as sympathetic (especially oppressed brown-people), regardless of the merits of the situation. -k They do tend to side with the underdog,even if the underdog is ...well...scum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) Uh... Ya' don't think equating Negroids with lower hominids,like baboons,is a little bit on the bigoted side? and I did this where... where did I say that blacks were equivalent to baboons? wanting to kill people for words they say however... thats the highest level of bigotry my friend... Edited June 9, 2010 by lictor616 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) you're upset that I don't follow your TV religion so you want to shoot me dead? My TV religion? What the hell are you talking about. and I did this where... where did I say that blacks were equivalent to baboons? Its not enough that Cludia SChiffer was used in many media roles to encourage racial mixing (usually by being with ugly gutter monkeys that talk in undecipherable ebonics) maybe she should have married a pockfaced baboon like Heidi Klum did. copulate with blacks, the uglier, stupider and more violent ones too.... the better! Care to retract your statement? You are seriously unhinged. Edited June 9, 2010 by TrueMetis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 My TV religion? What the hell are you talking about. Care to retract your statement? You are seriously unhinged. gutter monkeys is a term for hip hop thugs - and does not situate race. Seal really is "pockfaced"... and why presume that baboon ALSO denotes race... I would never qualify BLACKS AS A PEOPLE: as a race of monkeys or baboons... please perish the thought. Whites and Latinos too can be gutter monkeys and baboons... and my description of the burly black guy kissing Claudia and seal as ugly, also doesn't apply for all black people.. just the two people minded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Yeeks!!! Exhibit A,B,and,C... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Yeeks!!! Exhibit A,B,and,C... yes seal is ugly, A the black guy kissing Schiffer was ill spoken and violent in the movie, guess that's B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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