Smallc Posted May 29, 2010 Report Posted May 29, 2010 (edited) Your darn right there is a lot of contempt, for those east of Manitoba, and those west of Atlantic Canada. And so you see, given current context I can't understand nor empathise with those feelings. I have been to all provinces but British Columbia and Newfoundland and Labrador, and I have loved the places and the people. I will be going to Ottawa and Quebec City in about a month, and I couldn't be more excited. Yes, some bad things happened to Alberta in the 1970s. That said, those things happened a long time ago, and they aren't happening today. The hatred that Albertans direct at Central Canada is completely irrational. Edited May 29, 2010 by Smallc Quote
Jack Weber Posted May 29, 2010 Report Posted May 29, 2010 And so you see, given current context I can't understand not empathise with those feelings. I have been to all provinces but British Columbia and Newfoundland and Labrador, and I have loved the places and the people. I will be going to Ottawa and Quebec City in about a month, and I couldn't be more excited. Yes, some bad things happened to Alberta in the 1970s. That said, those things happened a long time ago, and they aren't happening today. The hatred that Albertans direct at Central Canada is completely irrational. No it is'nt..It's completely rational and sane to someone from Wild Rose country...The same place that gave us Myron Thompson... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Alta4ever Posted May 29, 2010 Report Posted May 29, 2010 And so you see, given current context I can't understand nor empathise with those feelings. I have been to all provinces but British Columbia and Newfoundland and Labrador, and I have loved the places and the people. I will be going to Ottawa and Quebec City in about a month, and I couldn't be more excited. Yes, some bad things happened to Alberta in the 1970s. That said, those things happened a long time ago, and they aren't happening today. The hatred that Albertans direct at Central Canada is completely irrational. Its sane and rational as those politics haven't really left us Just dorment as it been a while since Central Canada and the Urban centres M T & V have held the government through a majority. Chretien would over fly Calgary as there are no votes there. and yet the liberal party still is giving Ignatieff that advise and to his credit has actually ignored it. But the sentiment is not gone in the liberal party. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted May 29, 2010 Report Posted May 29, 2010 And so you see, given current context I can't understand nor empathise with those feelings. I have been to all provinces but British Columbia and Newfoundland and Labrador, and I have loved the places and the people. I will be going to Ottawa and Quebec City in about a month, and I couldn't be more excited. Do you think that people from Alberta are backward rubes that don't travel. I have seen most of Canada lacking Quebec City, though I would like to go. Western Canada I know like that back of my hand, heck I was rolling around Manitoba for two weeks in April. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted May 29, 2010 Report Posted May 29, 2010 I don't think that about Albertans. I just think that many of you are unecessarily angry over very little. Quote
Alta4ever Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 I don't think that about Albertans. I just think that many of you are unecessarily angry over very little. That is because you have no experience with it. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 That is because you have no experience with it. I choose not to live in the past and hate people I don't know because of something that happened long ago. Quote
Alta4ever Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 (edited) I choose not to live in the past and hate people I don't know because of something that happened long ago. Who said hate, I don't hate people. I may hold attitudes in contempt, but i don't hate. Edited May 30, 2010 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jbg Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 The bloc is not the first separatist party to be elected to parliament. William Mackenzie lead one in the 1800's which was elected to parliament. Pre-1867 though. I think the Bloc leaders and members should swing from traitors' nooses. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 I don't disagree with those assessments. That isn't really demonization, but rather the cold, hard, truth. Albertans overall have become cranky whiners who are never happy. It isn't the rest of us. They're throwing the party. Quebec's enjoying it. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 They're throwing the party. Quebec's enjoying it. Well, rightly so. All Canadians enjoy the prosperity of this nation. Many Albertans are missing out by choosing not to enjoy it. Quote
wyly Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 I don't think that about Albertans. I just think that many of you are unecessarily angry over very little. albertans particularly the born and raised rural folk aren't the the most sophisticated you'll ever meet, it's like meeting someone who has been locked in a time warp for 35 yrs, they're still locked into the 70's... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 Yes, I have doubts that people from Edmonton and to a lesser extent Calgary are nearly so hateful as some people on here are in general. Quote
Alta4ever Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 albertans particularly the born and raised rural folk aren't the the most sophisticated you'll ever meet, it's like meeting someone who has been locked in a time warp for 35 yrs, they're still locked into the 70's... You must think highly of me considering I'm an urban Albertan born and raised. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 Well, rightly so. All Canadians enjoy the prosperity of this nation. Many Albertans are missing out by choosing not to enjoy it. That's because it falls on Albertans to work to pay for it. We don't get invited to the party. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
bloodyminded Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 (edited) That's because it falls on Albertans to work to pay for it. We don't get invited to the party. It would seem some people actually cherish their self-titled Victim Status. In terms of attitude, Alberta has become the new Quebec. Edited May 30, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
williat Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 It would seem some people actually cherish their self-titled Victim Status. In terms of attitude, Alberta has become the new Quebec. Thank god you said. Alberta has money currently, but when the oil dries up, which will eventually happen be it 80 years from now or whatever will these "victims" change their argument. Look I'm from Newfoundland, as any Albertan would be quick to point out we have been a drain on Canada for some time, in the whole E.I. scheme of things. I mean you can't make fun of Quebec for having a shitty attitude, then constantly complain that life "isn't fair", LIFE ISN'T FAIR its obvious. My question to these Albertans would then become, are you Albertan or Canadian first? I urge all of you to make a wise decision when tackling this question... Say in 80 years the oil is gone, will Alberta change their argument? Or start saying "Well we helped Canada out for so long, we deserve some help" and I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Call is socialism if you must but I truly believe that it is our duty as a Canadian to ensure that all provinces are treated equally, if one is doing better at the current time then another thats all well and good, but share the wealth and maybe 100 years down the line we'll return the favor. If not then you can always live knowing that you were one of the good guys, that helped others out when they needed it. We're Canadian, we're suppose to be those nice people that are always willing to lend a hand, not put one out then pull it away because we might not gain from it... Quote I don't adhere to any political school of thought, I believe in calling it like you see it, if its a good idea who cares if its Liberal, Conservative or Socialist. If it's going to benefit the country I'm all for it.
Molly Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 albertans particularly the born and raised rural folk aren't the the most sophisticated you'll ever meet, it's like meeting someone who has been locked in a time warp for 35 yrs, they're still locked into the 70's... Charming. We were a little surprised and disappointed to make that assessment of the folks from here in Ontario-- that most, rural or urban, are disappointingly unsophisticated: backward in so many ways- sheltered, thoughtless; downright parochial. Nice people certainly, and good neighbours, but, well... simple. We were amused by the rampant, in-your-face sexism; amazed at the almost complete absence of analytical thought and/or practical skills; horrified not to find a single soul who could name their/our MP or MPP nor their parties, apalled by the proportion who have never been beond North Bay, much less out of the province.... Rural Albertans are cosmopolitan by comparison. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Smallc Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 It would seem some people actually cherish their self-titled Victim Status. In terms of attitude, Alberta has become the new Quebec. Bingo. And I have a theory. Whether Alberta contributes money or not is irrelevant. I don't think we have the patience collectively as a people for a new Quebec. As Quebec becomes more a part of Canada, Alberta seems to go in the opposite direction, and I think people are tired of the games. Quote
jbg Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 albertans particularly the born and raised rural folk aren't the the most sophisticated you'll ever meet, it's like meeting someone who has been locked in a time warp for 35 yrs, they're still locked into the 70's... A bit snobbish? Sort of like the "beer and popcorn" remark? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Topaz Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 In 80 years this argument could be for nothing because many things could change and one of them being Canada no longer exists, it would be part of the US and Mexico, one big happy family, right, not! One only has to look and listen to the government when they say, "we are harmonizing with" and Canada and the US are already doing it. Quote
williat Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 I haven't heard them use new world order yet... Quote I don't adhere to any political school of thought, I believe in calling it like you see it, if its a good idea who cares if its Liberal, Conservative or Socialist. If it's going to benefit the country I'm all for it.
Argus Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 Bingo. And I have a theory. Whether Alberta contributes money or not is irrelevant. I don't think we have the patience collectively as a people for a new Quebec. As Quebec becomes more a part of Canada, Alberta seems to go in the opposite direction, and I think people are tired of the games. Hmm, Yes, I can see the comparison. Quebec contributes nothing to confederation, doesn't like it, doesn't like Anglos, spits on everything we offer them, then snatches it and bitches it's not enough while putting most of its votes into a separatist party in Ottawa that makes no bones about the fact it couldn't care LESS about anything other than their own "nation". And if Quebec ever found oil it would be gone quicker than greased lightning. No way in hell it would share a single dollar with those stinking Anglos in that place called Canada. Alberta, meanwhile, has been paying endlessly, far, far more than it gets back, despite less representation than it deserves, mockery from the pseudo-intellectual urban "elites" of central Canada, and often as not, laws drawn up to favour central Canada and screw the west. And it has the temerity to complain sometimes. Yes, almost identical. I see it now. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 (edited) albertans particularly the born and raised rural folk aren't the the most sophisticated you'll ever meet, it's like meeting someone who has been locked in a time warp for 35 yrs, they're still locked into the 70's... And yet, they're ALL more knowledgeable and sophisticated than YOU. Granted, that's a pretty low bar to surpass. Edited May 30, 2010 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted May 30, 2010 Report Posted May 30, 2010 Well, I'm glad you feel pain for them. I on the other hand have no sympathy for a place with nearly twice the money of all the non oil producing states. I'm going to say something that should already be evidently clear. If policies had really be constructed by the federal government that were negative for Alberta, then Alberta wouldn't be the wealthiest province in Canada today. You (and them) are delusional if you see things as being anti Alberta. Also, the idea that Quebec has contributed nothing to Canada when in fact without Quebec Canada would never have existed in its current form is laughable. You're letting your anger, hatred, and bigotry get the best of you again. Quote
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