Why the hate for harper?

[Smallc]

Don't you know parliament is a sieve, its unable to keep any secrets. They are always chattering away.

But in the end, it doesn't matter, because Parliament is supreme.

[Jack Weber]

But in the end, it doesn't matter, because Parliament is supreme.

Oh...Stop bringing up those pesky details of parliamentary democracy...

Soon we'll be hearing about the "sanity" of firewalls and stuff...

[PIK]

Only in canada where we have to share state secrets with a party that will do anything to embarress the country to make themselves look better. Only in canada where we pay huge salaries and pensions to people whose only purpose in life is to break up the country. I imagine there is laws against it, but I would have loved to see harper stand up and say ,I will show the documents to the libs and NDP only, no bloc.

[Smallc]

As far as the Constition and Parliament are concerned, the Bloc is no different. They are duly elected members of the House of Commons, and even Jean Chretien this week gave then praise for their public service.

Also, if you think that Canada is the only country with a separatist party in their Parliament, you are very misinformed. One only needs to look the the oldest of the Westminster parliaments to see in the Scottish National Party something very much the same.

[g_bambino]

Also, if you think that Canada is the only country with a separatist party in their Parliament, you are very misinformed. One only needs to look the the oldest of the Westminster parliaments to see in the Scottish National Party something very much the same.

Most Canadians also seem completely unaware that there were in Canada's first parliament 18 MPs from the Anti-Confederation Party, all from Nova Scotia and nearly filling the province's allocated 19 seats in the Commons. Further paralleling the Bloc/PQ (which we'll count as the same for convenience), the same party controlled the Nova Scotia legislature. I wonder how often it was asserted that they had no legitimate right to sit in parliament.

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Edited May 29, 2010 by g_bambino

[Machjo]

He can sing and play the piano, looks good in a blue sweater, but really, sure he is not warm and fuzzy , but not as cold as the media lets on. He keeps his minister in line as best he can and kept scandals down to a minimum, holds alot of clout out in the world right now.Maybe if Mr Chretien kept his ministers on a tighter leash , the libs might be in such a hole. Mr Chretien let his guys say whatever they wanted knowing he would not be doing most of what they promised. Yes some of harpers promises did not come thru but that is expected , but I think he came thru with more then the red book.He is totally against the bank tax ,which IMO and I could be wrong, that the libs would have agreed with it.

That's precisely what I dislike. I want my MP to vote his conscience, not as a puppet of Harper's. As it happens, my MP is a CPC backbencher and he's really nothing more than a bobbing head for harper. With my Mp in the House, Harper's riding has one extra vote, and mine has none.

I'd rather have an MP that represents my riding. Sure the Liberal and NDP are not much better, but Harper really does seem to be dictatorial in his approach.

It's not the PM's job to 'keep his party in line', or at least ought not to be. Let the police handle it if an MP steps out of line legally, or his constituents deal with it next election if it's nothing illegal. I want my MP to be responsive to his local constituents, not a bobbing head offering a second hand to Harper's riding for votes in Parliament.

[PIK]

That's precisely what I dislike. I want my MP to vote his conscience, not as a puppet of Harper's. As it happens, my MP is a CPC backbencher and he's really nothing more than a bobbing head for harper. With my Mp in the House, Harper's riding has one extra vote, and mine has none.

I'd rather have an MP that represents my riding. Sure the Liberal and NDP are not much better, but Harper really does seem to be dictatorial in his approach.

It's not the PM's job to 'keep his party in line', or at least ought not to be. Let the police handle it if an MP steps out of line legally, or his constituents deal with it next election if it's nothing illegal. I want my MP to be responsive to his local constituents, not a bobbing head offering a second hand to Harper's riding for votes in Parliament.

Every party does that and if we left it all to the people we would be in huge trouble right now.

[bloodyminded]

All politically correct garbage.

right. an expansive list of organizations, many of which are centred exclusively on the well-being of children, are "all" undertaking a project of "politically correct garbage."

Whereas folks who, out of what they deem "common sense", claim that it's bad and unhealthy--based on absolutely zero knowledge, and providing zero information to back their claims--are providing sober delineation of the issue.

Oh...and by the way, the flatly-stated notion that "gays shouldn't raise children" IS political correctness, itself.

[bloodyminded]

Wow. You actually put a ton of work into that. And yet, with quote after quote after quote, not one actually addressed the point made, which is that children are, all things considered equal, better off with a male and a female parent. Not one of your quotes even addressed it. They were, for the most part, left wing politically correct "gays are people too, you know, whine, whine whine!" kind of statements, mostly filled with a "gays can be good parents too" type of self righteousness.

Which is certainly true but again, doesn't even address the point AT ALL.

I didn't say gays can't be good parents. I didn't say that a kid isn't better off with two loving gay parents as opposed to say, two alcoholic straight parents who are always throwing things at each other. What I said was that it's good for a child's social, psychological and sexual development to have both male and female role models in their lives on a daily basis, as in parents of both genders.

Let's simplify this. State openly that children, be they boys or girls, have no need of a father in their lives, and that not having any male role model will have no life influence on them as long as they have a good mother. Or, if you prefer, state that children have no need of mothers, and that having no mother or other female role model will have no influence whatever in their lives so long as their father is a loving parent. ie, a girl growing up from birth with no mother is not in any way deprived, nor is a boy growing up and having no father in his life.

Argus, the claim countered the assertion that all "sociologists and psychologists" agreed with you.

You have yet to offer ANY evidence for this claim; whereas the expansive list offered goes some way to refuting it.

[bloodyminded]

Ah yes, the good old "Everyone knows that!" fallacy. How about provide real evidence for your assertion or admit you're just guessing?

If seems like you guys figure that repeating something over and over again make it true, but you refuse to provide any evidence at all. If hetero parents are better then you should easily be able to provide a link to a credible study that shows this.

Right--because it's "so obvious" and it's "common sense" and "everybody knows it" and every "sociologist and psychologist" agrees it is so.....

So where the hell is all the overwhelming evidence for the assertion?

[Alta4ever]

Oh...Stop bringing up those pesky details of parliamentary democracy...

Soon we'll be hearing about the "sanity" of firewalls and stuff...

Your an idiot considering the Alberta agenda was letter asking Klein to enact the constitutional rights each province has. Rights that currently are fully employed by only Quebec and Ontario. Like a provincial police force like the opp, and with drawing from the CPP in favour of a provincial plan much like quebec has with its. i know pesky details. BTW matters of national security over-ride parliament.

[Alta4ever]

As far as the Constition and Parliament are concerned, the Bloc is no different. They are duly elected members of the House of Commons, and even Jean Chretien this week gave then praise for their public service.

Also, if you think that Canada is the only country with a separatist party in their Parliament, you are very misinformed. One only needs to look the the oldest of the Westminster parliaments to see in the Scottish National Party something very much the same.

The bloc is not the first separatist party to be elected to parliament. William Mackenzie lead one in the 1800's which was elected to parliament.

[Smallc]

Your an idiot considering the Alberta agenda was letter asking Klein to enact the constitutional rights each province has. Rights that currently are fully employed by only Quebec and Ontario.

Ontario does not fully exercise it's constitutional rights. It collects only business tax, not income tax, and it is part of the CPP....why a province would want their own pension plan and the cost of collecting their own taxes is beyond me.

[Alta4ever]

Ontario does not fully exercise it's constitutional rights. It collects only business tax, not income tax, and it is part of the CPP....why a province would want their own pension plan and the cost of collecting their own taxes is beyond me.

Quebec does and what makes Albertans less canadian for wanting to use their provincial constitutional rights? Why the demonization? Why does Quebec want it or use it?

[Smallc]

Quebec does and what makes Albertans less canadian for wanting to use their provincial constitutional rights? Why the demonization? Why does Quebec want it or use it?

I don't recall demonizing anyone, I simply don't see a reason for it. I certainly do tire of the Alberta vicim mentality though.

Edited May 29, 2010 by Smallc

[Alta4ever]

I don't recall demonizing anyone, I simply don't see a reason for it. I certainly do tire of the Alberta vicim mentality though.

Obviously you weren't old enough to recall what was said when the letter was originally written.

[Alta4ever]

I don't recall demonizing anyone, I simply don't see a reason for it. I certainly do tire of the Alberta vicim mentality though.

A sample from 2008

Dust off his 2000 Alberta "firewall" letter. Harper runs a wrecking crew, not a government. Parliament's well is poisoned and separatist fires in Quebec and Alberta are stoked. Harper is prepared to use anything -- lies, vicious attack ads and even mob rule (Transport Minister John Baird boasting about "going over the heads of the Governor General and Parliament to the people" -- to get his way).

Peace, order and good government are out. Rage, ideology and raw power are in.

Frances Russell is a Winnipeg-based freelance journalist and author.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/35857529.html

Firewalls, introversion, isolation are the habits of an aging, politically grumpy generation, Das contends.

http://www.citizenscentre.com/news04-08-01-mg.html

[Smallc]

I don't disagree with those assessments. That isn't really demonization, but rather the cold, hard, truth. Albertans overall have become cranky whiners who are never happy. It isn't the rest of us.

[Alta4ever]

I don't disagree with those assessments. That isn't really demonization, but rather the cold, hard, truth. Albertans overall have become cranky whiners who are never happy. It isn't the rest of us.

That is contempt and demonization.

Edited May 29, 2010 by Alta4ever

[Smallc]

I hold no contempt or dislike for Albertans. I'm simply looking at things as I see them, and all I see from Albertans is anger. I don't even see that from Quebec. From them, I often see indifference.

I love Alberta. It's a beautiful place with amazing opportunity. Some how, I get the feeling that Albertans don't love the rest of us. The contempt, as far as I can tell, goes in the opposite direction of what you think it doe .

[Alta4ever]

I don't disagree with those assessments. That isn't really demonization, but rather the cold, hard, truth. Albertans overall have become cranky whiners who are never happy. It isn't the rest of us.

Its opinion, not cold hard truth.

[Smallc]

Its opinion, not cold hard truth.

Well that may be, but I think you'll find it a widely help opinion...especially on internet forums. Like I said, I have no problems with Albertans, but Albertans seem to have a problem with the rest of Canada, and the sad part is, it all comes down to money.

[Guest TrueMetis]

So where the hell is all the overwhelming evidence for the assertion?

In Argus's head.

[Alta4ever]

I hold no contempt or dislike for Albertans. I'm simply looking at things as I see them, and all I see from Albertans is anger. I don't even see that from Quebec. From them, I often see indifference.

I love Alberta. It's a beautiful place with amazing opportunity. Some how, I get the feeling that Albertans don't love the rest of us. The contempt, as far as I can tell, goes in the opposite direction of what you think it doe .

Your darn right there is a lot of contempt, for those east of Manitoba, and those west of Atlantic Canada. I think Alberta has long grown tired of the patronizing attitude of Ont and Quebec over matters held in high regard by Alberta.

[Jack Weber]

Your darn right there is a lot of contempt, for those east of Manitoba, and those west of Atlantic Canada. I think Alberta has long grown tired of the patronizing attitude of Ont and Quebec over matters held in high regard by Alberta.

Just make sure the oil and cattle is to market on time,okay?