Republicans Sharpening Knives for FOX ?

[Michael Hardner]

Could the conservatives finally be tiring of FOX ? Is the idea of a conservative news network setting the agenda reached the end of its usefulness ?

I have indicated in the past that Rush, Beck and the rest of the hog callers - having their own agendas - have ceased to serve the Republican party. They speak to conservatives, and reflect anger, and old age - not the best icons to reach over to swing voters.

Something seems to be happening.

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Rupert Murdoch says:

“I don’t think we should be supporting the Tea Party or any other party,” he said. “We have both sides in our news shows, our politics or whatever. We have Democrats and Republicans and whatever.”

Odd... they gave birth to the Tea Party, and now they shouldn't support it ?

David Frum:

“What that means is that Fox, like Limbaugh, has an interest in pushing the Republicans to the margins, making people angry,” he said. “When people are angry and alienated, they don’t vote. They succumb to feelings of helplessness.”

Republican Senator Tom Coburn:

Yesterday, Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn, who is strongly identified with both the fiscal- and social-conservative wings of the GOP, wound up cautioning some conservative constituents at a town hall gathering not to “catch yourself being biased by Fox News that somebody is no good.”

Coburn’s plea for viewer skepticism came in defense of his courtly aside about Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom he characterized as “a nice person.” When a wave of grumbling followed, Coburn stood his ground, asking the crowd “how many of you all have met her?” before proceeding to chide them for echoing the Fox-branded view of Pelosi as a poor specimen of humanity.

[Shady]

Could the conservatives finally be tiring of FOX ? Is the idea of a conservative news network setting the agenda reached the end of its usefulness ?

Of course not. Fox is the only counter-balance to the left-leaning mainstream media. And by looking at its ratings, and revenue, Fox isn't going anywhere, and hasn't lost anything. Its gained.

I have indicated in the past that Rush, Beck and the rest of the hog callers - having their own agendas - have ceased to serve the Republican party. They speak to conservatives, and reflect anger, and old age - not the best icons to reach over to swing voters.

Rush isn't a part of Fox. Beck only became a part of Fox about a year ago. And it's not a part of the job of a network to reach swing voters. It's to reach viewers.

Odd... they gave birth to the Tea Party, and now they shouldn't support it ?

No, that's a common misconception. Fox didn't give birth to the Tea Party. They were the only network to first start covering them. Your premise is wrong.

On a side note. Please don't put a space between a word and an exclamation mark. It's kind of annoying.

[Michael Hardner]

Of course not. Fox is the only counter-balance to the left-leaning mainstream media. And by looking at its ratings, and revenue, Fox isn't going anywhere, and hasn't lost anything. Its gained.

And the Republicans don't tell them what to do... so you have a two-headed beast, which is strategically a problem.

Rush isn't a part of Fox. Beck only became a part of Fox about a year ago. And it's not a part of the job of a network to reach swing voters. It's to reach viewers.

The network has to reach swing viewers, though... I think all the extreme ROC folks likely already watch FOX. So where will they get their viewers from ?

No, that's a common misconception. Fox didn't give birth to the Tea Party. They were the only network to first start covering them. Your premise is wrong.

A national network (ostensibly a 'news' network) that breathlessly promotes a nascent political movement can easily be said to give birth to that party. If you like, I can say 'help conceived' the Tea Party, or somesuch.

On a side note. Please don't put a space between a word and an exclamation mark. It's kind of annoying.

I was taught to separate exclamation and question marks from the last sentence. Indeed, my understanding is that that's a Canadian thing. Too late to break the habit, sorry.

[Shady]

I was taught to separate exclamation and question marks from the last sentence.

It's incorrect grammar.

Question marks [?]

Question marks go at the end of sentences that are questions. As with full stops you do not put a space before a question mark, but you do need at least one space after one (two spaces for purists).

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Edited April 28, 2010 by Shady

[Michael Hardner]

It's incorrect grammar.

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I'm not changing it, firstly because it's fine and secondly because I'm too old.

[Shady]

Word Reference Forum

I'm not changing it, firstly because it's fine and secondly because I'm too old.

It's not fine. It's bad grammar. Reference any newspaper, magazine, television broadcast, coverletters, resumes, etc. It's a full stop of a sentence. It doesn't need a space. After all, you don't leave a space for a period do you?

Edited April 28, 2010 by Shady

[Michael Hardner]

It's not fine. It's bad grammar. Reference any newspaper, magazine, television broadcast, coverletters, resumes, etc. It's a full stop of a sentence. It doesn't need a space. Afterall, you don't leave a space for a period do you?

I gave you a quote explaining that it's used in Canada. I didn't even really have to do that, but I thought you might appreciate the link. Cheers.

[bloodyminded]

It's not fine. It's bad grammar. Reference any newspaper, magazine, television broadcast, coverletters, resumes, etc. It's a full stop of a sentence. It doesn't need a space. Afterall, you don't leave a space for a period do you?

No, but I imagine he does leave a space between the two separate words "after" and "all."

[Shady]

No, but I imagine he does leave a space between the two separate words "after" and "all."

Yep, you're exactly right.

[Shady]

I gave you a quote explaining that it's used in Canada. I didn't even really have to do that, but I thought you might appreciate the link. Cheers.

The link is meaningless. It's a quote from some guy in a forum. No, it's not used in Canada. It's incorrect grammar even here.

[Michael Hardner]

The link is meaningless. It's a quote from some guy in a forum. No, it's not used in Canada. It's incorrect grammar even here.

It's a French thing. That's my first language. Nobody pointed this out to me before, so...

[bloodyminded]

It's a French thing. That's my first language. Nobody pointed this out to me before, so...

Ah, the French thing. My girlfriend (who, like yourself, is beautifully bilingual) still wants to end every word with vowels, and says "close the light."

[Jack Weber]

Fox is the only counter voice to the left leaning main stream media and they don't incite people with their toxic ideological extremism....

Hmmmm....

Say what you want about Olbermann being a Dem shill,and his over the top commentary on Scott Brown...It's hard to deny any of this this at all....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlHLSE-M_y0

Edited April 28, 2010 by Jack Weber

[Shady]

It's a French thing. That's my first language. Nobody pointed this out to me before, so...

Fair enough.

[BubberMiley]

It's incorrect grammar even here.

Dude, you typically have the spelling and grammar of a retarded third grader. I'd stay away from criticizing people if I were you.

[Shady]

Dude, you typically have the spelling and grammar of a retarded third grader. I'd stay away from criticizing people if I were you.

Complete nonsense. Good morning to you too.

[BubberMiley]

Complete nonsense. Good morning to you too.

Nope. Completely accurate. Try proofreading yourself. Your posts might improve.

Incidentally, I wouldn't call putting a space before a question mark bad grammar; I'd call it bad punctuation. But that's just being ridiculously nit-picky.

Edited April 30, 2010 by BubberMiley

[Shady]

I wouldn't call putting a space before a question mark bad grammar; I'd call it bad punctuation. But that's just being ridiculously nit-picky.

No, it's actually bad grammar.

[BubberMiley]

No, it's actually bad grammar.

Odd then that the people who write books on the subject differentiate the two. http://www.grammarbook.com/

I guess they must be Democrats.

[Shady]

Odd then that the people who write books on the subject differentiate the two. http://www.grammarbook.com/

I guess they must be Democrats.

Are you seriously that dense? It's not a question of punctuation. It's not as though he should have used an exclamation mark instead of a question mark. It's a matter of sentence structure. Like I've already said. It's grammar. But don't let facts get in the way of your Shady obsession Captain Ahab!

[BubberMiley]

It's a matter of sentence structure.

Actually, it's very much more a grammar (and punctuation and spelling) obsession, though I admit I also like your posts very much. But how does the use of punctuation and its presentation relate to sentence structure? Are you seriously that dense to think it's the same thing?

Edited May 5, 2010 by BubberMiley