Guest American Woman Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Someone sees an abandoned child and gets what seems like government clearance to do something about the tragic situation. Literally no one cares about the festering problem until someone tries to help out. What makes you think they got what "seemed like government clearance" to take the children out? U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called the case "unfortunate." "The Haitian nation acted to protect children who were being removed from their country without appropriate documentation," she said. "It was unfortunate that, whatever the motivation, this group of Americans took matters into their own hands." link And: After their court appearance in Haiti on 4 February, the group's lawyer, Edwin Coq, said his clients were "naive" but not malicious in their actions. He said he would do everything he could to get nine of them free, but was not so sure about Ms Silsby. "They had no idea what was going on, and they did not know that they needed official papers to cross the border. But Silsby did," he said, according to Associated Press. link Doesn't sound as if they got any sort of government clearance to me. Quote
Guest TrueMetis Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 (edited) This is really ridiculous. As it is, in Haiti, many children were, prior to the earthquake, abandoned to orphanages because the parents (or in reality mother) had no means to take care of them. Someone sees an abandoned child and gets what seems like government clearance to do something about the tragic situation. Literally no one cares about the festering problem until someone tries to help out. Why doesn't someone address why these children are being created in the first place? Oh no, that's politically incorrect, to suggest that human breeding involve some degree of responsibility. 1) They were told directly that they did not have the proper paperwork to do this. "I warned her, I said as soon as you get there without the proper documents, you are going to get into trouble, because they are going to accuse you, because you have the intent to pass the border without the proper papers and they are going to accuse you with kids trafficking," Carlos Castillo said he told the group's leader, Laura Silsby, during a meeting Friday."This woman knew what she was trying to do was not legal," Castillo said. 2) Many of the children were not orphans. SOS Children's Villages, an Austrian charity, said that it has determined that at least two-thirds of the children are not orphans. My link Edited March 1, 2010 by TrueMetis Quote
jbg Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Again, I referred to abandonment as well as loss of parents. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 So it seems that Chile has now decided that they need international assistance. The Government of Canada is currently assessing how we can best help...but we're stretched pretty thin. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 1, 2010 Author Report Posted March 1, 2010 So it seems that Chile has now decided that they need international assistance. The Government of Canada is currently assessing how we can best help...but we're stretched pretty thin. Shouldn't be a big problem for a such a "superpower". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Shouldn't be a big problem for a such a "superpower". Money can only go so far in a situation like this. Part of the difficulty is that Chile is a long way from Canada, so a timely naval response it out of the question. Quote
jbg Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Money can only go so far in a situation like this. Part of the difficulty is that Chile is a long way from Canada, so a timely naval response it out of the question. Surely Canada can spare a few Sea King helicopters. But seriously, why not divert some aid in place in Haiti? The immediate emergency is over and the government there is not pulling its weight. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 (edited) But seriously, why not divert some aid in place in Haiti? The immediate emergency is over and the government there is not pulling its weight. Well, that's somewhat difficult given the remote areas where our aid is set up. Also, our mission there is winding down, as those troops will need to train for Afghanistan. HMCS Halifax is already home, and HMCS Athabaskan will be leaving shortly. I'm not sure about 1 Canadian Field Hospital (if it will be leaving Haiti soon) or if any of our field ambulance units are available. Oh, and with the new maintenance budget, the Sea king seems to be holding up OK. From what I've seen, the mission in Haiti would have been much harder without it. As for the Government of Haiti, they seem to be doing what they can from what I've read. Side Note: The first CH-148 Cyclone finally arrived in Shearwater. It still technically belongs to Sikorsky though, and we won't we using them in normal service for 2 more years. Edited March 1, 2010 by Smallc Quote
wyly Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 So it seems that Chile has now decided that they need international assistance. The Government of Canada is currently assessing how we can best help...but we're stretched pretty thin. the countries nearest Chile should be giving immediate aid... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 the countries nearest Chile should be giving immediate aid... They probably should, but I have this feeling that it will be up to the same countries as usual to lend a hand. Quote
jbg Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 They probably should, but I have this feeling that it will be up to the same countries as usual to lend a hand. By that you mean the wealthy Islamic oil states that were so generous with their own in Indonesia after the "Boxing Day" Tsunami? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest American Woman Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Again, I referred to abandonment as well as loss of parents. Again, they had no government clearance to take them out of the country, orphaned or abandoned. Quote
Smallc Posted March 2, 2010 Report Posted March 2, 2010 (edited) Chile is asking Canada to provide a field hospital, a pontoon bridge, generators and telecommunications equipment following Saturday's devastating earthquake that killed more than 700 people, destroyed 500,000 homes and displaced at least 1.5 million people.Chile asks Canada for Help I hope we have a field ambulance division available...or maybe the government can coordinate something with the Red Cross as they did for our first field hospital and Haiti. Edited March 2, 2010 by Smallc Quote
jbg Posted March 9, 2010 Report Posted March 9, 2010 I hope we have a field ambulance division available...or maybe the government can coordinate something with the Red Cross as they did for our first field hospital and Haiti. I wonder if Israel sent any field hospitals. They did to Haiti. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted March 9, 2010 Report Posted March 9, 2010 I think they may have. We didn't have one available between Haiti, Afghanistan, British Columbia, and national defence requirements. Quote
bloodyminded Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 the countries nearest Chile should be giving immediate aid... They probably should, but I have this feeling that it will be up to the same countries as usual to lend a hand. They are giving aid. Argentina, Peru, and Brazil have helped. Cuba and Bolivia--two countries with an especially difficult political relationship with Chile--have notably stepped up to the plate. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
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