jbg Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 I don't have a basement, and I gave significantly more than $50. I think that you have lost touch with reality. Looking at the pictures of the capital of Haiti, it's not hard to see why aid distribution has been so difficult. Researching the state of Haiti (though it was improving) before the earthquake makes it easy to understand why things have went as they did. A country with only 2 fire departments...with no military...and with an almost non existent police force...a country with almost no medical infrastructure.....and you'e surprised that things still aren't going smoothly? Give your head a shake. That country is and was a mess, and without the huge number of troops from the US, things would be significantly worse right now. Then why did you say this? Because American help has been so detrimental in Haiti. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Sir Bandelot Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 I don't have a basement, and I gave significantly more than $50. Thats nice of you, but it seems that you like many other people didn't get much bang for your buck. Looking at the pictures of the capital of Haiti, it's not hard to see why aid distribution has been so difficult. Researching the state of Haiti (though it was improving) before the earthquake makes it easy to understand why things have went as they did. A country with only 2 fire departments...with no military...and with an almost non existent police force...a country with almost no medical infrastructure.....and you'e surprised that things still aren't going smoothly? Give your head a shake. That country is and was a mess, and without the huge number of troops from the US, things would be significantly worse right now. I don't deny that Haiti is a complete disaster, long before the quake and we can debate all night as to why that is. But in any case large amounts of money was given by good people, in faith that it would be used to help the people of Haiti. That has clearly not happened. Even despite the large military presence, they're not able to deliver the goods. You are making excuses for an appaling failure. With all the money they collected, both by private citizens and governments, they could have used fleets of helicopters to drop in the food, water and medicine, by the ton. Much of what did arrive was accomplished by small organized groups such as doctors without borders, those who were not bogged down by "red tape" problems that they big players claim they are mired down in. NOT, because the roads are no good. The stuff was driven in the backs of peoples cars. And the military can deliver anything, tanks, supplies to the most remote regions of the world. They have engineers with the know-how. Do you seriously think bad roads would stop them? If they can't go over it, they go THROUGH it. So what is the hold up? No answer, just silence. How much money did they collect for Haiti aid, worldwide? No one knows. How did the money get managed, to protect it from misuse? No one's saying. That's why I say, there ought to be an investigation. People were collecting aid in every public venue, even at the drive through of Tim Hortons. You got ripped off. But the people of Haiti got ripped off even more than you or me. We only lost our money. Quote
Smallc Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 Then why did you say this? I'm not sure what you're getting at. This, means that my post was sarcastic. Quote
Smallc Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 Thats nice of you, but it seems that you like many other people didn't get much bang for your buck. You don't seem to realize this, but that money will still go to good use. Haiti is going to need help for years. With all the money they collected, both by private citizens and governments, they could have used fleets of helicopters to drop in the food, water and medicine, by the ton. They did that in some areas, but the reality is, it leads to problems on the ground. You got ripped off. But the people of Haiti got ripped off even more than you or me. We only lost our money. No I didn't and no they didn't. Quit being so bitter when people are simply trying to help. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) Quit being so bitter when people are simply trying to help. I am not bitter. The people of Haiti are bitter. Quit ignoring the fact that the money was misappropriated now, when it is needed most. One million people are still waiting for food and water. Does that not concern you at all? When I give my money to charity, I want to know its going to be effective, and help the ones who need it most. THe EVIDENCE shows that did not happen. The fact that you chose to ignore it, and the media is keeping it low key, is deplorable in the eyes of those who truly care. Edited February 28, 2010 by Sir Bandelot Quote
jbg Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 I'm not sure what you're getting at. This, means that my post was sarcastic. I didn't understand that emoticon. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 So far it doesn't look like Chile will need any American-style "charity" as the Haitians did. Perhaps they've learned a lesson from that debacle. As opposed to Israeli style charity (link)? Or do you consider the U.S. and Israel to be capable only of atrocities? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 He doesn't recognize any good that doesn't fit with his model or meet his standards. The reality is, the international community is doing the best they can. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 As opposed to Israeli style charity (link)? Or do you consider the U.S. and Israel to be capable only of atrocities? I fail to understand why you need to being Israel into every discussion. Did someone else mention Israel here? I am not interested in discussing about Israel. I beleive many people and countries tried to do some good. But it has failed. If there are real systemic problems with how these emergencies are handled, we should understand what went wrong. So that when some place like New York or New Jersey gets buried in a pile of rubble, we might have a chance to dig out people like jbg, and save them. And hence make the world a better place... Quote
Smallc Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 I beleive many people and countries tried to do some good. But it has failed. No it hasn't failed. It hasn't been entirely successful, but it certainly hasn't failed. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 No it hasn't failed. It hasn't been entirely successful, but it certainly hasn't failed. What, has the smiling face of optimism developed a tick? Thats progress Quote
Smallc Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 What, has the smiling face of optimism developed a tick? Thats progress I never said that it was a complete success. It was though a very good job under the circumstances. You don't seem to understand any of the difficulties involved. You have unrealistic expectations. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 No....I am a pagan...respect my natural gods or DIE! Respect is the granting of mutual power...dis the earth and she will take back all she granted. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 The real question is whether Chile will seek or need the degree of international succor that Haiti did? Will well-intentioned rescuers of children be arrested? If they try to illegally remove them from the country, they likely will be. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 If they try to illegally remove them from the country, they likely will be. Fanatic fundy Christians take children away from their homes and families, not out of goodness but out of the selfish need to create more robot Jesus beings..If they cared they would help the whole family and not just reap what they believe they need to suit their own agenda. The ones caught in Haiti breaching national law- did not respect the Haitians--nor that nation or in reality not even the children the seek to take..THESE people that enter into a weakened community to recruit young children into the army of Christ are not much different than any other cult..real Christians would take care of the old also. Quote
jbg Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 If they try to illegally remove them from the country, they likely will be. Perhaps it was an honest misunderstanding. Or perhaps some crooked official wanted ransom graft payments for the release of the well-intentioned rescuers. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest American Woman Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 Perhaps it was an honest misunderstanding. Or perhaps some crooked official wanted ransom graft payments for the release of the well-intentioned rescuers. It doesn't matter how honest or well-intentioned they were. They were taking children out of the country illegally. They should have known what they needed to do to comply by Haiti's laws before trying to take them out of the country; the children's country. Quote
msj Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 Perhaps it was an honest misunderstanding. Or perhaps some crooked official wanted ransom graft payments for the release of the well-intentioned rescuers. Or perhaps they were human smugglers posing as "well-intentioned rescurers" trying to "help" those children out of Haiti. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Guest TrueMetis Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 Perhaps it was an honest misunderstanding. Or perhaps some crooked official wanted ransom graft payments for the release of the well-intentioned rescuers. Or they were told they couldn't take the children and tried anyway. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 Or they were told they couldn't take the children and tried anyway. In a liberal democracy gone wild they say that children are not your property..that mates do not belong to you--well if they do not belong to you - then they belong to everybody..so may as well let all the dogs pile on. NOPE- leave other peoples children along and do not attempt to seduce away the mate of another- Kids belong to the first family- secondly and only secondly do they belong to the National family---to spirit kids out of a nation is kidnapping no matter how you colour it. Quote
jbg Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 Or perhaps they were human smugglers posing as "well-intentioned rescurers" trying to "help" those children out of Haiti. Or they were told they couldn't take the children and tried anyway. This is really ridiculous. As it is, in Haiti, many children were, prior to the earthquake, abandoned to orphanages because the parents (or in reality mother) had no means to take care of them. Someone sees an abandoned child and gets what seems like government clearance to do something about the tragic situation. Literally no one cares about the festering problem until someone tries to help out. Why doesn't someone address why these children are being created in the first place? Oh no, that's politically incorrect, to suggest that human breeding involve some degree of responsibility. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Why doesn't someone address why these children are being created in the first place? There are aid agencies working in Haiti devoted to that specific cause....of course, it's against conservative values to fund contraception programs. Quote
jbg Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 There are aid agencies working in Haiti devoted to that specific cause....of course, it's against conservative values to fund contraception programs. As I describe myself I'm not a conservative at all. I'm a radical left-winger. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 As I describe myself I'm not a conservative at all. I'm a radical left-winger. Oh I didn't mean you, but I've heard people speak against it on conservative radio (and I don't mean in Canada, as far as I know, we support the effort). Quote
jbg Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Oh I didn't mean you, but I've heard people speak against it on conservative radio (and I don't mean in Canada, as far as I know, we support the effort). OK, thanks. I am certainly in favor of contraception. I am also in favor of societal values that promote work, thrift and responsibility. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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