Canada caters to France and their cultural ideologies

[whowhere]

France abandoned her people after the Treaty of Paris.

It was the British who gave the French Quebec.

The French were in Quebec from 1604 to 1755 when they fell under British Occupation. Out of fear the British appeased the French of Quebec with automony and political bribes to keep them from siding with the Americans. The British Monarch never did anything unless they had no choice in the matter.

Quebec is the root cause of political unrest in Canada.

Hardly, There 11 other regions in Canada, quebec is only one. You need to change the channel and get a new direction. Quebec has only insisted on keeping its autonomy. If the rest of Canada is so wonderful they should prove it to the world. I know English Canada is sell, out cultureless, vacuum who looks to the Americans for meaning while being "ignored" and invisible to the British people. I suggest you look closely at the accomplishments of the British People over the last 70 years, the US has nothing on them. They have contributed to the world in countless areas, what has English Canada Contributed?

Yes, their infatuation with Quebec.

[Leafless]

The French were in Quebec from 1604 to 1755 when they fell under British Occupation. Out of fear the British appeased the French of Quebec with automony and political bribes to keep them from siding with the Americans. The British Monarch never did anything unless they had no choice in the matter.

Hardly, There 11 other regions in Canada, quebec is only one. You need to change the channel and get a new direction. Quebec has only insisted on keeping its autonomy. If the rest of Canada is so wonderful they should prove it to the world. I know English Canada is sell, out cultureless, vacuum who looks to the Americans for meaning while being "ignored" and invisible to the British people. I suggest you look closely at the accomplishments of the British People over the last 70 years, the US has nothing on them. They have contributed to the world in countless areas, what has English Canada Contributed?

What has English Canada contributed?

Money----lots of money and is something it seems Quebec cannot do without--federal money.

Federal money keeps Quebec's autonomy alive and well.

[Leafless]

Next time you want to counter my statement of FACTS about the OLA stating English and French have equal status, do yourself a favour and do not post something that says exactly that.

You very well know federal and the Quebec provincial governments does not promote the English language in Quebec which results in an uneven linguistic playing field and in turn discriminates against English speaking Canadians.

If they did you would have Quebec cities with an official bilingual policy, a multitude of English immersion schools, a multitude of English services like the 204 or so of (I lost track) French services we have in Ontario alone for Francophone's that cost Ontario and Canadian tax payers billions of dollars.

OLA is corrupt, discriminates and is a useless piece of paper, except for Quebec that is.

[whowhere]

You very well know federal and the Quebec provincial governments does not promote the English language in Quebec which results in an uneven linguistic playing field and in turn discriminates against English speaking Canadians.

If they did you would have Quebec cities with an official bilingual policy, a multitude of English immersion schools, a multitude of English services like the 204 or so of (I lost track) French services we have in Ontario alone for Francophone's that cost Ontario and Canadian tax payers billions of dollars.

OLA is corrupt, discriminates and is a useless piece of paper, except for Quebec that is.

what did quebec have to do with the ola? go after the liberals.

[CANADIEN]

It is traitors and freedom polluters that have destroyed the rights of White, Christian, English speaking Canadians.

Freedom pollutors? I'd ask for an English translation, but I will not. Better to keep laughing as such a ridiculous phrase, especially coming from somebody deluded enough to believe that some government forms in French is depriving him of anything, let alone his freedom.

[CANADIEN]

You are stating France abondoned Quebec, not so. As the King of France was the might behind the eventual creation of the United States. Part of the Motive was to get Canada back. Afterwords France was thrown into revolution and the Kings of France were no more and Quebec was lost in the mix.

Still posting that nonsense about how France attempting to gain back Canada during the American Revolution even after it has been debunked time and time again? You and leafless belong together. I still have to figure which of the two is the msot clueless.

[CANADIEN]

It was the British who gave the French Quebec.

Thanks for reminding us that there were no French-speaking settler there already.

Quebec is the root cause of political unrest in Canada.

Political unrest my eye... As for political nonsense, you are a net contributor to that.

[CANADIEN]

You very well know federal and the Quebec provincial governments does not promote the English language in Quebec which results in an uneven linguistic playing field and in turn discriminates against English speaking Canadians.

I very well know that the federal government provides a level of federal services in English in Quebec equivalent to the level of federal services offered in French elsewhere in this great country of ours.

a multitude of English services like the 204 or so of (I lost track) French services we have in Ontario alone for Francophone's

You actually COUNT services? Tell me. Does providing a form in French counts as a distinct service as giving the envelope that goes with it?

More seriously, how many of those services are not available in English in Ontario?

[g_bambino]

Until the passing of the Citizenship Act of 1946, we were still defined in Canadian immigration laws as Brtish subjects.

True, but it was merely the elimination of outdated nomenclature that no longer reflected reality since 1931.

[Leafless]

what did quebec have to do with the ola? go after the liberals.

French is an official language as proclaimed by the federal government and Quebec takes full advantage of that fact.

[Leafless]

Thanks for reminding us that there were no French-speaking settler there already.

If there was no French in that area then the British would not be giving Quebec to the French.

Political unrest my eye... As for political nonsense, you are a net contributor to that.

Mr. Trudeau would be proud of you.

You are just as self-righteous and arrogant as he was.

[Leafless]

I very well know that the federal government provides a level of federal services in English in Quebec equivalent to the level of federal services offered in French elsewhere in this great country of ours.

I am talking Quebec provincial or municipal services not a level of federal services.

More seriously, how many of those services are not available in English in Ontario?

That is totally irrelevant as the English language is the de facto language of Ontario.

[CANADIEN]

If there was no French in that area then the British would not be giving Quebec to the French.

And there would be no French language services in Gravelbourg, Saint-Boniface, Windsor, Caraquet if there were no French-speaking people there You'll notice, btw, that I mentioned towns where you cannot claim the French-speaking population comes from Quebec and would not be rhere if it wasn't for Trudeau.

Mr. Trudeau would be proud of you.

You are just as self-righteous and arrogant as he was.

Why, because I can see nonsense when I see it? Edited February 3, 2010 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

I very well know that the federal government provides a level of federal services in English in Quebec equivalent to the level of federal services offered in French elsewhere in this great country of ours.

I am talking Quebec provincial or municipal services not a level of federal services.

Yet, you blame FEDERAL legislation for the shortcoming of provincial legislation. Clueless again.

More seriously, how many of those services are not available in English in Ontario?

That is totally irrelevant as the English language is the de facto language of Ontario.

Let's see here. You are the one who whines that English-speaking Ontarians are discriminated again because because services delivered by or for governments are available in French as well as English. Unless you can prove that there are services available only in French, you are wrong... as usual.

So, how many government services can be obtained in French, but not in English, in Ontario?

Edited February 3, 2010 by CANADIEN

[whowhere]

Still posting that nonsense about how France attempting to gain back Canada during the American Revolution even after it has been debunked time and time again? You and leafless belong together. I still have to figure which of the two is the msot clueless.

Really, why was benedict arnold in Canada/Quebec? http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/served/arnold.html. Why did the Continental Congress fight a 4 year war to gain Quebec? What a waste of limited resources. They stoppped fighting for Quebec when they secured American Independence. After this the Marquie Lafayette of France in 1778 pushed forward a last attempt to gain Canada without support from the continental congress. Why?

I know logic and comprehension is a problem for you.

[whowhere]

French is an official language as proclaimed by the federal government and Quebec takes full advantage of that fact.

How? Quebec's official language has always been french. It's been French for 400 years. When you are in Quebec it probably a good idea to make an effort to learn french. What does this have to do when the people outside of Quebec? Nothing.

[CANADIEN]

Really, why was benedict arnold in Canada/Quebec? http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/served/arnold.html. Why did the Continental Congress fight a 4 year war to gain Quebec? What a waste of limited resources. They stoppped fighting for Quebec when they secured American Independence. After this the Marquie Lafayette of France in 1778 pushed forward a last attempt to gain Canada without support from the continental congress. Why?

Let's forget for a second that the treaty of aliiance between France and the United states clearly stated that France was renouncing to any territorial claim in North America, including land that had been ceded by it to Great Britain. Posted the link last time you made a fool of yourself on that one,

I know logic and comprehension is a problem for you.

Corrction: most everyone knows that finding logic in your postings is a problem.

Edited February 4, 2010 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

Yet, you blame FEDERAL legislation for the shortcoming of provincial legislation. Clueless again.

Yes, I blame federal and Quebec Nazi type language legislation resulting in violation to English speaking rights, security and liberty. And also contradicts Freedom of Speech and the right to be treated equally.

This is all part of a French effort to make provinces especially Ontario 'Officially bilingual'.

Let's see here. You are the one who whines that English-speaking Ontarians are discriminated again because because services delivered by or for governments are available in French as well as English. Unless you can prove that there are services available only in French, you are wrong... as usual.

So, how many government services can be obtained in French, but not in English, in Ontario?

You are sidetracking the issue which is how French is propagated throughout Canada using French as an official language by French activist.

Just look at what French activist have accomplished with the 'French Languages Service Act' especially in provinces like Ontario.

The French Language Services Act guarantees the right to services in French from the provincial government in government offices in designated areas of the province.

There are currently 25 designated areas under the FLSA. For an area to obtain designation, technically, Francophones must make up at least 10% of its population; urban centres must have at least 5000 Francophones.

City of Toronto (All)

City of Hamilton (All of the City of Hamilton as it exists on Dec. 31, 2000)

Regional Municipality of Niagara: Cities of: Port Colborne and Welland

City of Ottawa (All)

Regional Municipality of Peel: City of Mississauga, City of Brampton

City of Greater Sudbury (All)

County of Dundas: Township of Winchester

County of Essex: City of Windsor, Towns of Belle River and Tecumseh; Townships of: Anderdon, Colchester North, Maidstone, Sandwich South, Sandwich West, Tilbury North, Tilbury West and Rochester

County of Glengarry (All)

County of Kent: Town of Tilbury, Townships of Dover and Tilbury East

County of Prescott (All)

County of Renfrew: City of Pembroke, Townships of:Stafford and Westmeath

County of Russell (All)

County of Simcoe: Town of Penetanguishene, Townships of: Tiny and Essa

County of Stormont (All)

District of Algoma (All)

District of Cochrane (All)

District of Kenora: Township of Ignace

District of Nipissing (All)

District of Sudbury (All)

District of Thunder Bay: Towns of Geraldton, Longlac and Marathon, Townships of Manitouwadge, Beardmore, Nakina & Terrace Bay

District of Timiskaming (All)

County of Middlesex: City of London

District of Parry Sound: Municipality of Callander

County of Frontenac: City of Kingston

http://www.ofa.gov.on.ca/en/flsa-mapdesig.html

This of couse does not include:

The provincial government of the time, led by the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario, refused to enshrine official bilingualism in the City of Ottawa Act, but made clear that the new city was free to establish its own language policy. In 2001, Ottawa City Council passed a bilingualism policy modelled on the policy of the former Ottawa-Carleton Region, whereby English and French were both recognized as having the same rights, status and privileges within the municipal government, while allowing for differences in services based on local needs throughout the amalgamated city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilingualism_in_Ottawa

This is what happens when you have French activist part of Ottawa city council---more Nazi type language policies.

This proves how corrupt the 'Official Languages Act' really is as it excludes propagation of the English language in Quebec.

[Leafless]

How? Quebec's official language has always been french. It's been French for 400 years. When you are in Quebec it probably a good idea to make an effort to learn french. What does this have to do when the people outside of Quebec? Nothing.

French was never an official language in Quebec until 1974.

The Charter's provisions expanded upon the 1974 Official Language Act (Bill 22), which was enacted under Premier Robert Bourassa's Liberal government to make French the sole official language of Quebec. Prior to 1974, Quebec had no official language and was subject only to the requirements on the use of English and French contained in Article 133 of the British North America Act, 1867. [1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_the_French_Language

[whowhere]

French was never an official language in Quebec until 1974.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_the_French_Language

There was probably no need for the law until people like you and your attitude tried to impose your english superiority complex onto Quebec. Face it, the British abondoned you English Canadians and the only thing you English Canadians can accomplish is directing hate towards Quebec on Forums and through the media. Beleive it or not in the United States English is not the official language I will lay down money if people like you started to impose your ideas that the United States should be spanish you can be sure they will amend the constitution to make English the National Language. Laws only surface when the status quo is threatened. The status quo of Quebec was French prior to 1974 and this law was probably intended to keep it that way. I would have to say the law has been a success.

Man you need to get life, Canada is backward backass country is truly lagging the world in so many areas. Being a parasite country on the world stage is nothing to brag about. What is English Canadians contributing to the world other than your constant whining you are hard done by (Quebec). They have no control over what goes on outside of Quebec.

Hating Quebec is not going to change anything, you are just wasting your time. The liberals are the ones responsible for making Canada two languages not Quebec.

[whowhere]

Let's forget for a second that the treaty of aliiance between France and the United states clearly stated that France was renouncing to any territorial claim in North America, including land that had been ceded by it to Great Britain. Posted the link last time you made a fool of yourself on that one,

Corrction: most everyone knows that finding logic in your postings is a problem.

Yes, and the United States didn't make a deal behind Frances back in 1780 to secure American Independence. Was this a betrayal to France or what? You obviously believe words are binding and people don't change their minds. The treaty you are referring to was constructed during the seven year war.

Yes France bankrupted itself and provided the critical military resources to establish the United States for fun. Yes the Americans fought for Quebec for 4 years for fun. Yes, After the continental congress was not supportive of gaining quebec, the marquis lafayette of France tried to gain Quebec for fun.

Yes, I know in your small mind everyone is noble towards treaties made with other countries, Countries hand out the wealth and resources of their country for nothing. Yes the United States with their limited military resources had no where better to use those resources than to fight for Quebec.

Logic defeats you Because you lack reason you are forever doomed to be the simpleton you are. May "Life" deal towards you accordingly.

[CANADIEN]

Yes, I blame federal and Quebec Nazi type language legislation resulting in violation to English speaking rights, security and liberty. And also contradicts Freedom of Speech and the right to be treated equally.

You blame federal legislation for something that exists only in your imagination (Nazi-type legislation), that results in something that does not happen (violations of rights) - at least does not happen in Ontario. And you are unaware of the fact that Quebec language laws do not apply outside Quebec. Clueless.

This is all part of a French effort to make provinces especially Ontario 'Officially bilingual'.

Here we go again with your incapacity to see the difference between French and Canadian.

You are sidetracking the issue which is how French is propagated throughout Canada using French as an official language by French activist.

Your incapacity to see the difference between French and Canadian aside, you are the one who claim English-speakers are discriminated against in Ontario yet is unable to prove it.

Just look at what French activist have accomplished with the 'French Languages Service Act' especially in provinces like Ontario.

Correction, let's see what occurs when the linguistic rights of Ontarians are upheld.

Provincial government services offered in French as well as in English in part of the Province. A goof thing.

The Liberal government and Ottawa City Council doing the right thing by deciding that municipal services will be offered in French is well as in English.

This is what happens when you have French activist part of Ottawa city council---more Nazi type language policies.

Quick, let's have a law preventing Francophones or anybody who can speak more than two words in French banned for seeking election on Ottawa City Council - it causes some people to have delusions of Nazi-type legislation and by-laws,

Edited February 5, 2010 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Yes, and the United States didn't make a deal behind Frances back in 1780 to secure American Independence. Was this a betrayal to France or what? You obviously believe words are binding and people don't change their minds. The treaty you are referring to was constructed during the seven year war.

Yes France bankrupted itself and provided the critical military resources to establish the United States for fun. Yes the Americans fought for Quebec for 4 years for fun. Yes, After the continental congress was not supportive of gaining quebec, the marquis lafayette of France tried to gain Quebec for fun.

Yes, I know in your small mind everyone is noble towards treaties made with other countries, Countries hand out the wealth and resources of their country for nothing. Yes the United States with their limited military resources had no where better to use those resources than to fight for Quebec.

Logic defeats you Because you lack reason you are forever doomed to be the simpleton you are. May "Life" deal towards you accordingly.

I wonder what is more funny. Your insistance on making a fool of yourself again and again and again, on your misguided belief that you are logical.

For the benefit of those who will get it:

- American armies invaded the Province of Quebec in 1775 in the hope of getting the local population to join them, despite misgivings by many in the Congress. When Benjamin Franklin passed that winter in Montreal, he wasn't preparing for a French reconquest of Quebec, but trying to persuade the local population to join the 13 Colonies.

- LaFayette proposed a second invasion of Quebec was initially supported by Congress, then plans were cancelled due to lack of resources

- the French-American treaty of alliance was clear on the French itend NOT to claim Canada back - the French Court saw far more advantage in having the Americans and British facing each others in North America than in getting back territory that would be costly to defend and would likely be lost again before long

- the Americans tossed the French aside the moment it served their interests - hardly the act of someone who wanted them as their new neighbours.

That's the FACTS.

[g_bambino]

the Americans tossed the French aside the moment it served their interests - hardly the act of someone who wanted them as their new neighbours.

True. If anything, the Americans had their sights on Canada not to return it to France but to hold onto it themselves, during and after the revolution; Manifest Destiny, and all that.

[whowhere]

I wonder what is more funny. Your insistance on making a fool of yourself again and again and again, on your misguided belief that you are logical.

For the benefit of those who will get it:

- American armies invaded the Province of Quebec in 1775 in the hope of getting the local population to join them, despite misgivings by many in the Congress. When Benjamin Franklin passed that winter in Montreal, he wasn't preparing for a French reconquest of Quebec, but trying to persuade the local population to join the 13 Colonies.

- LaFayette proposed a second invasion of Quebec was initially supported by Congress, then plans were cancelled due to lack of resources

- the French-American treaty of alliance was clear on the French itend NOT to claim Canada back - the French Court saw far more advantage in having the Americans and British facing each others in North America than in getting back territory that would be costly to defend and would likely be lost again before long

- the Americans tossed the French aside the moment it served their interests - hardly the act of someone who wanted them as their new neighbours.

That's the FACTS.

That's what's great about the internet. Your history projectionist agenda will not fly. To get the whole story you need the letters and correspondence between the King Louis(s) and the other monarchs of Europe at the time. I don't have the interest to track this documentation down but I will tell it states explicitly he wanted Canada back. Quotes of these letters do appear if you read enough history on the Kings of France.

Yes it was true as well the the Continental Congress I was trying to pursuade the people of Quebec to join the fight but there was a huge thorn in this endeavor, namely the "CATHOLIC CHURCH". Anyone who knows how the Catholic Religion is structured is that you go to church to hear the word of God and you confess to your priest. The Catholic church didn't leave much room for independent thought. The point!!! The catholic church was opposed to the people of Quebec fighting for independence. Kind of an Irony really, because this pivoting point shows the Catholic Religion and All Christian Religions is soiled toilet paper. Not only did the Catholic church make a blunder in insisting the world was flat, they followed that blunder up with revealing their beleif of a holy ghost is BS. Had there really been a holy Ghost/a Jesus at work The catholic church would have known the Catholic King of France was involved and was the might behind American independence and would have advised the people of Quebec accordingly. The catholic church is partly responsible for Quebec not being liberated from its occupiers with the bigger burden on the United States for its betrayal.

The masses are driven by all kinds social propoganda, I suggest you get some some material the internet is choking your projectionist agenda.