M.Dancer Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 well there was a coverup in that regiment so they deserved what they got...it hasn't hurt our military they've become better for it... There was no cover up.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 well there was a coverup in that regiment so they deserved what they got...it hasn't hurt our military they've become better for it... No cover-up at all....it was laid bare for all to see, including color photos as I recall. Methinks the incident made Canada hypersensitive to even the slightest prisoner pin prick. But it's OK to shoot 'em...go figure. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
William Ashley Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 The Red Cross has proof that McKay and O'Connor were plus others , were told about the torturing back in Sept. 28 2006. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/091220/national/afghan_abuse_ministers What lie do they have proof of? Yeah sure, the defeated enemy combantants wern't abused... get real buddy. Hell Canadian soilders have from time to time even abused other Canadian soilders. Cases of Sexual Assault on Womens soilders in forces such as the States arn't wholely uncommon. Just be glad all these leaks arn't about the occurences of abuse comitted by Canadian Soilders.. instead of allowance and turning over priosoner to face torture. The CIA abused priosoners purposefully in Afghanistan, and other places. You think Canada doesn't do these things? Quote I was here.
William Ashley Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 It wouldn't be the first time someone - even a Canadian was turned over to uncertain ends. Quote I was here.
William Ashley Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 The Red Cross has proof that McKay and O'Connor were plus others , were told about the torturing back in Sept. 28 2006. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/091220/national/afghan_abuse_ministers NATO is an organization whos members commit war crimes, and illegal acts against civilian populations. You should not be suprised when other people do the same to them. Quote I was here.
ToadBrother Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 NATO is an organization whos members commit war crimes, and illegal acts against civilian populations. You should not be suprised when other people do the same to them. Good grief. It's not as if the Afghani people were so much better off when those violent murderous religious nutjobs were running the show. I can't approve of prisoner abuse, but at the same time, you're being completely irrational here. Next thing you'll be telling me, those poor wittle Serbs should have been allowed to continue abusing and threatening Muslim Kosavars, and that big evil NATO came along and beat 'em up. Quote
bloodyminded Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 Good grief. It's not as if the Afghani people were so much better off when those violent murderous religious nutjobs were running the show. I can't approve of prisoner abuse, but at the same time, you're being completely irrational here. Next thing you'll be telling me, those poor wittle Serbs should have been allowed to continue abusing and threatening Muslim Kosavars, and that big evil NATO came along and beat 'em up. Violent murderous religious nutjobs are still running the show. They're our allies. Meanwhile, secular, modern, democratic-minded politicians like Malalai Joya are in hiding because she dared criticize the warlord leaders (our allies), and this is dangerous to one's life; and we don't pay any attention to her, or to anyone who agrees with her, because she's committed a sin: criticizing our presence in Afghanistan. Which suggests we're not too worried about principles and values--else we'd be seeking alliances with like-minded leaders such as Joya. No, we like our allies to be malleable and obedient--so what if they're ideologically identical to the Taliban? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
William Ashley Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) Good grief. It's not as if the Afghani people were so much better off when those violent murderous religious nutjobs were running the show. I can't approve of prisoner abuse, but at the same time, you're being completely irrational here. Next thing you'll be telling me, those poor wittle Serbs should have been allowed to continue abusing and threatening Muslim Kosavars, and that big evil NATO came along and beat 'em up. Here is the deal, a lot of NATO soldiers are religious nutjobs raised in a christian / scientology worldview - that ain't the view of the many muslims who live in afghanistan. Ok now if it is YOUR LAW, then maybe it isn't wrong to you? You know other peoples beleifs for THEIR OWN SOCIETY. If they think those things are justified, but you don't, here is the problem, it is their society NOT YOURS. You think a muslim comes by sees you eating pork and thinks MMMhhh pork. Or a Jew looks at your attractive wife and is all like MMhhhh. Fact is people have different views at what is acceptable, you can focus on the good, but good comes from focusing on the bad, and the fact is if you don't attack the wrongs NATO commits such as rape and murder of innocent civilians you are condoning the behaviour, while liberation is all rosey, there is a flip side to that.. take note it ain't the Taliban or Al Qaeda that are the sole people against the occupation - it is the public itself tribal groups that disapprove of not only the occupation but also their own "installed puppet government". The one that NATO rigged up, killed off and threatened the potential successors to, so that they could keep hold or a falacious so called democracy for propaganda of the ongoing occupation. I think NATO was wrong to invade Yugoslavia, fact is today it is all the EU anyway, and I guess that was the whole point of it. (which member was attacked - is NATO an offensive or defensive alliance - I geuss there is your answer. But the fact of the matter is that there were other options, and the situation could of been prevented, as far as I am aware it was also an engineered situation by NATO. Edited December 24, 2009 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
M.Dancer Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 Here is the deal, a lot of NATO soldiers are religious nutjobs raised in a christian / scientology worldview - Here's the deal, provide a cite or failing that, enough tinfoil to make a hat. . Or a Jew looks at your attractive wife and is all like MMhhhh. Yep..same with pork. No one can resist the aroma of beer braised, mesquite grilled ribs. Or my wife. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
William Ashley Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 Here's the deal, provide a cite or failing that, enough tinfoil to make a hat. Dude. You are denying NATO is a Christian based organization with a firm belief that science is real? Since when did they throw fireballs from bizbutz Yep..same with pork. No one can resist the aroma of beer braised, mesquite grilled ribs. Or my wife. Chinese like pork too. Quote I was here.
M.Dancer Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 Dude. You are denying NATO is a Christian based organization with a firm belief that science is real? No dude, I'm asking you if you can back up your nonsense with a credible link. If you canb't remember what you uttered, I'll help. a lot of NATO soldiers are religious nutjobs raised in a christian / scientology worldview - Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
William Ashley Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 No dude, I'm asking you if you can back up your nonsense with a credible link. If you canb't remember what you uttered, I'll help. Maybe you can slurp up someones brain and understand the obvious instead. To make it more clear, what is the religion of NATO member countries? what nato countries don't lock up people who deny science and claim magic is real? Quote I was here.
ToadBrother Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 Maybe you can slurp up someones brain and understand the obvious instead. To make it more clear, what is the religion of NATO member countries? what nato countries don't lock up people who deny science and claim magic is real? And it looks like we have another nutjob folks! Mr. Ashley meet Mr. CAnada and Oleg. Yes, we're sorry Lictor's not here, but he's probably torching synagogues and castrating black men right now. All of you should get along quite fine. The one thing that most NATO countries are not any more is fanatically Christian, and WTF is wrong with science? Quote
M.Dancer Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) what is the religion of NATO member countries? Most are officially secular. Unofficially they are Roman Catholic, various protestant denominations, Muslim and other... what nato countries don't lock up people who deny science and claim magic is real? All of them.Now what exactly does that have to do with your unsourced opinion? Edited December 24, 2009 by M.Dancer Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
William Ashley Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 Most are officially secular. Unofficially they are Roman Catholic, various protestant denominations, Muslim and other... All of them. Now what exactly does that have to do with your unsourced opinion? Give it a try go to a local hospital and see what happens. Quote I was here.
M.Dancer Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 Give it a try go to a local hospital and see what happens. Stay focused here if you can....try what at the local hospital? Which local hospital, there's about 6 of them...does it matter? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Topaz Posted December 24, 2009 Author Report Posted December 24, 2009 For a government to preached open and accountability, why are the Tories boycotting the committee meetings? Since both, McKay and O'Connor have appeared before the committee and swore to tell the truth other info has come forwarded and say you are lying or covering up and so they don't want to go back and be proven liars! As a Canadian, I just want to WHOLE and HONEST TRUTH from this government but it appears that they can't get the job done and are only in this cover-up for themselves. I'm sure Harper will try to force something like an election in the spring to make this go away and IF he does then shame on those voters that support a government that is dishonest as they appear to be! Canada DESERVES better! Quote
Argus Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 NATO is an organization whos members commit war crimes, and illegal acts against civilian populations. You could say the same about the UN and the Catholic Church. So what? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 Maybe you can slurp up someones brain and understand the obvious instead. To make it more clear, what is the religion of NATO member countries? what nato countries don't lock up people who deny science and claim magic is real? You really are wacked, aren't ya. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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