Alta4ever Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 and I asked if you could substantiate your "crap" assessment... why continue your dance - your backpedal? His assessment is as good as yours, why the adjective or is it just your elitist behaviour that requires it? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
waldo Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 His assessment is as good as yours, why the adjective or is it just your elitist behaviour that requires it? or is it just your inability to read? The "crap" assessment labeling is his... not mine. I however will certainly assess his unwillingness to substantiate his stated "crap" assessment - my assessment is that his dance, his back-pedal... is similarly "crap" Quote
jbg Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 or is it just your inability to read? The "crap" assessment labeling is his... not mine. I however will certainly assess his unwillingness to substantiate his stated "crap" assessment - my assessment is that his dance, his back-pedal... is similarly "crap" Let's make a new start. What early projections of Hansen have verified? Temperatures stopped warming and started cooling in 1998. Now what? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest TrueMetis Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Let's make a new start. What early projections of Hansen have verified? Temperatures stopped warming and started cooling in 1998. Now what? 1998 was a very strong El Nino year, It's a cherry picked number. Anyway 1998-2009 not a statistically-significant period you need to give it more time. Quote
blueblood Posted March 2, 2010 Author Report Posted March 2, 2010 NOT where is Waldo? But who is Waldo? Zing!!! Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
waldo Posted March 2, 2010 Report Posted March 2, 2010 Let's make a new start. What early projections of Hansen have verified? Now what? so... does your request for a 'do over' include your acknowledgment of either being unwilling or unable to substantiate your claim against, your assessment of, Hansen's earliest projections (re: your reference to his U.S. Congressional testimony)? and, if we should so go forward, just so we could frame this properly: what significance do you see in going back, decades now, to one of the, if not the, first real projections offered by anyone? hey blueblood... nice drive-by... why didn't you stay and actually take the time to properly define your poll? By the way, it appears one of those you would so presume on... is MIA... or is it AWOL? Quote
blueblood Posted March 2, 2010 Author Report Posted March 2, 2010 so... does your request for a 'do over' include your acknowledgment of either being unwilling or unable to substantiate your claim against, your assessment of, Hansen's earliest projections (re: your reference to his U.S. Congressional testimony)? and, if we should so go forward, just so we could frame this properly: what significance do you see in going back, decades now, to one of the, if not the, first real projections offered by anyone? hey blueblood... nice drive-by... why didn't you stay and actually take the time to properly define your poll? By the way, it appears one of those you would so presume on... is MIA... or is it AWOL? 28 people understood the poll and voted how they wanted to. Cry me a river about the results. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
waldo Posted March 3, 2010 Report Posted March 3, 2010 28 people understood the poll and voted how they wanted to. Cry me a river about the results. buddy, what was your poll based on... what are the positions/arguments that you failed to articulate within your poll? C'mon, buddy - step up and show just how well you can't articulate... unfortunately... you previously stated that your favoured son, Riverwind, (as you big brother) could speak for you. Well guess what - your proxy has vanished... beaten back - but don't worry... Simple and Shady have taken up the cause!. Since you no longer have your fall-back proxy, why not try... just try to frame the poll properly... define the arguments/positions of what you would presume to poll on. You can do it - sure you can! Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 3, 2010 Report Posted March 3, 2010 (edited) buddy, what was your poll based on... what are the positions/arguments that you failed to articulate within your poll? C'mon, buddy - step up and show just how well you can't articulate... unfortunately... you previously stated that your favoured son, Riverwind, (as you big brother) could speak for you. Well guess what - your proxy has vanished... beaten back - but don't worry... Simple and Shady have taken up the cause!. Since you no longer have your fall-back proxy, why not try... just try to frame the poll properly... define the arguments/positions of what you would presume to poll on. You can do it - sure you can! Its in the title its a simple concept. I don't know why you fail to understand it. Its telling since you think you understand something as complex as the Global warming theory but you can't understand something as simple as this poll. Edited March 3, 2010 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
waldo Posted March 3, 2010 Report Posted March 3, 2010 Its in the title its a simple concept. I don't know why you fail to understand it. Its telling since you think you understand something as complex as the Global warming theory but you can't understand something as simple as this poll. whatever I understand... that degree of understanding most certainly pales in relation to your personal denial... and your latest conspiracy angle - in that regard, there's an open series of questions waiting for you - here ... should we be surprised if you actually have the balls to answer them? as for this thread - that you resurrected from the dead like a whining cry-baby... after you shriveled up from taking a bitch-slapping in the other active running thread... I could give a damn about any so-called polling results, particularly from an OP who couldn't actually articulate what the presumed arguments were. It's a rather simplistic task - wouldn't you think? Since blueblood openly showed he had difficulty in expressing himself, and explicitly stated he would let he who is MIA-AWOL speak for him... perhaps you could take up the request and actually put 'ink to pen'. Perhaps you could properly frame the arguments - the positions. I think this is most apropos given your latest conspiracy play... certainly... assorted conspiracy themes were a cornerstone of the position taken by he who is MIA-AWOL. So ya - just make sure to include and highlight the assorted conspiracy angles Quote
bloodyminded Posted March 3, 2010 Report Posted March 3, 2010 Its in the title its a simple concept. I don't know why you fail to understand it. Its telling since you think you understand something as complex as the Global warming theory but you can't understand something as simple as this poll. Wrong. The confusion is not only evident in the responses that followed the poll (ie the difference between "who is debating better" and "with whom do you agree"--two distinct questions conflated into one)...but the confusion is evident in the poll question itself "Who's more convincing" is about the debate itself...this can be, and often is, quite divorced from "who is right." I'll bet you disagree with Noam Chomsky. And I'd bet a thousand dollars he'd cream you in a debate. That doesn't mean he's right and you're wrong. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Alta4ever Posted March 4, 2010 Report Posted March 4, 2010 (edited) whatever I understand... that degree of understanding most certainly pales in relation to your personal denial... and your latest conspiracy angle - in that regard, there's an open series of questions waiting for you - here ... should we be surprised if you actually have the balls to answer them? What conspiracy? I'm not sure what your are referring to? Or are you trying to debate something that doesn't exist? And like I have told you many times before I don' debate with fanatics like you because in my opinion you are unable to look at this subject objectively. Edited March 4, 2010 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
waldo Posted March 4, 2010 Report Posted March 4, 2010 What conspiracy? I'm not sure what your are referring to? Or are you trying to debate something that doesn't exist? And like I have told you many times before I don' debate with fanatics like you because in my opinion you are unable to look at this subject objectively. buddy, I clearly get it... you have no qualms in continuing your one-line drive-by antics. I absolutely understand your hesitation, your resistance, your unwillingness to step-up and substantiate your latest one-line drive-by - here: however...we can certainly spotlight your weaselly run-&-hide routine: I'm sure that his data is just as good as those scientists who are in the pocket of big government so, yes - again: - which governments? - what government motivations and rationale? - which scientists? - how did the scientists do it? answer the questions... or weasel out - the choice is clearly yours Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 4, 2010 Report Posted March 4, 2010 (edited) buddy, I clearly get it... you have no qualms in continuing your one-line drive-by antics. I absolutely understand your hesitation, your resistance, your unwillingness to step-up and substantiate your latest one-line drive-by - here: however...we can certainly spotlight your weaselly run-&-hide routine: so, yes - again: - which governments? - what government motivations and rationale? - which scientists? - how did the scientists do it? answer the questions... or weasel out - the choice is clearly yours Who's hiding? And why would I need to define someone's motivation, they are their own. I don't know why you take such issue with the fact that I don't trust the data or the conclusions of either side. Edited March 4, 2010 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
lukin Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 I'm glad I found this old thread. Clearly wyldo got his/her ass handed to him/her. :lol: Quote
GostHacked Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 What a disaster of a thread. The definition of the poll is quite easy to understand. I really went through this thread thinking it was a brand new one .... I guess it's still relevant. Quote
waldo Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 I'm glad I found this old thread.What a disaster of a thread. The definition of the poll is quite easy to understand. I really went through this thread thinking it was a brand new one .... I guess it's still relevant. clearly... lukin is feeling the heat in all the climate change related threads! Ya, ya, GostHacked, it's as relevant as the last time a MLW poster was so beat-back, he felt a need to draw solace from this thread... too funny! Obviously, as evidenced by the lukinWay™, lukin is thought challenged - articulation is his (severe) handicap. Given your/his expressed, 'loud-&-proud' overt denial, I trust you will take up the mantle for the departed blueblood and the thought challenged/inarticulate lukin, and answer the following post. Additionally, as Riverwind has reinvented himself as TimG, yes... we should attest to the ongoing relevance of the poll... or at least formally adopt it as the 'solace seeking' home for put-upon and beat-down deniers. whaaaaa! by the by, could you be any more (deliberately?) vague... what's the "argument" your "poll" purports to question? And... in that context, what's the positional argument from side A versus the positional argument from side B? You know... the apparently (to you) inconsequential points that form the premise of your poll? It's unfortunate you didn't shape a poll with multiple questions; one that could help realize the luddite level of MLW (is anonymity an optional choice for MLW polls? ) absolutely, thanks for resurrecting the thread... if I might be so presumptuous to speak for wyly, I think the following thread posts from he/I are worthy as representative of our overall response to the blueblood OP missive... or at least the response absent the shits&giggles it provided us... and continues to provide, particularly as a respite for denier solace seekers! buddy, your lil poll is worthless - don't you know... wyly and I are today's modern day Galileo's the "burning" you question is most evident in the glaring Riverwind contradictions that have been highlighted in the past... blustering away that CO2 is not the problem and then, miraculously, acknowledging a CO2 problem and offering suggestion for mitigation/adaptation in the face of a previously stated non-existent problem... a self-serving reliance on IPCC position/argument while separately disparaging it left & right... mocking the climate models while using model output to attempt to make a case... selective cherry-picking... disparagement of peer-review while ignoring the many, many instances of skeptical peer-review publication... painting scientific consensus as anything but... conspiracy positions (numerous) that include the complete wide community of scientists, societies/associations/institutes/etc., scientific journals/etc., failing to provide citations when challenged, linking to Watts Up With That , enabling the MLW knuckle-draggers in failing to, himself, challenge an argument/position he knows is complete bunk... repeatedly, over and over, skirting the real issues being discussed in favour of go-to skeptical bloggers... pimping for Steve McIntyre... an unwillingness to accept the challenge for real debate (re: myata's suggested 'ground-rules')... and on and on. why do you continue to ignore the request to actually properly frame your poll... what is the argument your poll purports to present? What are the positions of Side A versus Side B? Apparently, you have difficulty in detailing and prefer vague anonymity - go figure. no it speaks to the poor education of the deniers and they're inability to comprehend science...most still don't know the difference between weather and climate...it speaks to political affiliation, only the right wing sees science as political... it speaks to the paranoid delusional who believe conspiracy theories fill their everyday lives... it speaks to the Alberta posters whose jobs and wealth are tied to the oil sands industry.. it does not speak to the science... it does not speak to how Waldo and myself have presented the evidence...only the inability or unwillingness of deniers to accept the evidence... Quote
lukin Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 clearly... lukin is feeling the heat in all the climate change related threads! Ya, ya, GostHacked, it's as relevant as the last time a MLW poster was so beat-back, he felt a need to draw solace from this thread... too funny! Obviously, as evidenced by the lukinWay™, lukin is thought challenged - articulation is his (severe) handicap. Given your/his expressed, 'loud-&-proud' overt denial, I trust you will take up the mantle for the departed blueblood and the thought challenged/inarticulate lukin, and answer the following post. Additionally, as Riverwind has reinvented himself as TimG, yes... we should attest to the ongoing relevance of the poll... or at least formally adopt it as the 'solace seeking' home for put-upon and beat-down deniers. absolutely, thanks for resurrecting the thread... if I might be so presumptuous to speak for wyly, I think the following thread posts from he/I are worthy as representative of our overall response to the blueblood OP missive... or at least the response absent the shits&giggles it provided us... and continues to provide, particularly as a respite for denier solace seekers! You crack me up, waldo. :lol: You have no substance. You're a master at paraphrasing. Time for you to get a life, buddy. Quote
waldo Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 wow... lukin... take it easy, buddy! That response well exceeds the established lukinWay™ sentence/phrasing thresholds! Ease into it buddy... slow but sure! Quote
lukin Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 wow... lukin... take it easy, buddy! That response well exceeds the established lukinWay™ sentence/phrasing thresholds! Ease into it buddy... slow but sure! Waldo, I've proven how little you know on numerous occasions. You have become a buffoon. waldo, do you actually have a life outside this forum? Or are you the prototypical "lonesome loser"? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 Waldo is the only poster that I'm aware of who has NEVER raised a topic.....his only contribution is his criticism of other peoples' posts. It makes sense though - behind every narcissist is a deep-rooted sense of insecurity. Quote Back to Basics
lukin Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 Waldo is the only poster that I'm aware of who has NEVER raised a topic.....his only contribution is his criticism of other peoples' posts. It makes sense though - behind every narcissist is a deep-rooted sense of insecurity. That is 100% correct. People like wyly/waldo need an internet forum to pretend to be big shots because normal society laughs at their insecurities in person. I've shown how waldo spends all day and all night on this forum posting his massive BS while belittling others to little avail. Calling waldo insecure is putting it VERY mildly. I feel a little sorry for him to tell you the truth. just a little. Quote
jbg Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 I'm glad I found this old thread. Clearly wyldo got his/her ass handed to him/her. :lol: I say him/her/it. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bloodyminded Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Unfortunately for those who disagree with Waldo, Waldo tends to be correct. I understand this stings a little; but facing reality is ultimately a good thing. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
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