EU to recognize East Jerusalem as Palestinian capital

[naomiglover]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1131988.html

The current holder of the rotating European Union presidency, Sweden, has put together a draft document calling for the division of Jerusalem between Israel and a future Palestinian state and implying that the EU would recognize a unilateral Palestinian declaration of statehood.

Edited December 2, 2009 by naomiglover

[M.Dancer]

So?

And BTW, your thread title is innacurate. A draft document does not mean the EU will do anything. It hasn't even been tabled for debate.

I can only assume you didn't read the article (no pictures?) and simply cut and pasted it, hence the lack of comment.

Poor effort Naomi...poor effort.

Edited December 2, 2009 by M.Dancer

[myata]

I'm glad that somebody is finally at least discussing the first real step in the right direction. Too bad this country has nothing to do with it. For a while now, we'll have to get used to our essential role as a second range barker in the big boy's pack.

[Oleg Bach]

Palistine and Israel should merge - so should Canada and America - but we should exclude Saudi Arabia and Mexico..to far gone crimminally to be welcomed aboard.....ohhh - then we should merge America and Canada and Israel and Palistine..that should fix the problem.

[myata]

It's becoming increasingly obvious that US style "friendly (to one side) mediation" isn't going to move matters anywhere. Israel's government would continue to receive "friendly" billions in aid, and ignore less friendly rhetorics, perhaps made for the sole purpose of making things look more balanced (like real and practical billions in aid vs empty rhetorics of "concern"). No incentive whatsoever to stop their aggressive policies that at this time turn out to be the most serious obstacle to the peace dialogue. Dead end.

Sweden's approach appear to be one realistic way out. Give sides a deadline to stop hostilities (of all kinds) and begin honest in good faith peace negotiations. Or recognise the two states in the 1967 borders and let the future generations sort out the details.

[DogOnPorch]

Isn't gonna happen with terrorists at the helm of the Palestinian Arab cause. When Hamas and Hezbollah are wiped out, then...maybe. But terrorism is a time-honoured tradition with this lot...so don't hold your breath.

[myata]

It's hard to argue these days that Israel's government isn't responsible for its own fair share of hostile and aggressive acts, label it what you want. The Sweden's solution is simple and achieves practical result rather than endless rhethorics: you'll be held to the standard, one way (through cessation of hostilities and peaceful negotiation) or the other (through international recognition of occupied territories and subsequent measures to end the illegal occupation; as well as, obviously, measures to cease militant activity against Israel proper).

[DogOnPorch]

It's hard to argue these days that Israel's government isn't responsible for its own fair share of hostile and aggressive acts, label it what you want. The Sweden's solution is simple and achieves practical result rather than endless rhethorics: you'll be held to the standard, one way (through cessation of hostilities and peaceful negotiation) or the other (through international recognition of occupied territories and subsequent measures to end the illegal occupation; as well as, obviously, measures to cease militant activity against Israel proper).

Sweden may want Israel to sit down with the Nazi terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah, but, I'm telling you that's never going to happen. But, Sweden plyed-nice with the German Nazis...so no surprise.

[naomiglover]

Sweden may want Israel to sit down with the Nazi terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah, but, I'm telling you that's never going to happen. But, Sweden plyed-nice with the German Nazis...so no surprise.

Nazi.Hamas.Terrorist.Hezbollah.GrandMufti.Palestinians.

Why don't you just paste that line from now on and save yourself from typing anything more.

[DogOnPorch]

Nazi.Hamas.Terrorist.Hezbollah.GrandMufti.Palestinians.

Why don't you just paste that line from now on and save yourself from typing anything more.

Well to listen to you, the Grand Mufti never existed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSUEx1cKUlg

Edited December 4, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[naomiglover]

Well to listen to you, the Grand Mufti never existed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSUEx1cKUlg

There you go.

It's nice to see that you never get out of character.

Anything or anyone who speaks against Israel's policy and agenda is a Nazi!

[DogOnPorch]

There you go.

It's nice to see that you never get out of character.

Anything or anyone who speaks against Israel's policy and agenda is a Nazi!

The Grand Mufti was a Nazi. One of the key players in the Holocaust (you do believe that happened?). It was his hatred that stopped the Palestinian Arabs from getting their own country in 1947...and 1937 as was pointed out to you.

Hamas and Hezbollah are no different and even give the ol' National Socialist salute when asked to perform.

[naomiglover]

The Grand Mufti was a Nazi. One of the key players in the Holocaust (you do believe that happened?). It was his hatred that stopped the Palestinian Arabs from getting their own country in 1947...and 1937 as was pointed out to you.

Hamas and Hezbollah are no different and even give the ol' National Socialist salute when asked to perform.

Everyone is a Nazi!

[DogOnPorch]

Everyone is a Nazi!

If you insist. But, it is the Grand Mufti and his supporters I'm refering to. You I mark as one of this mass murderer's supporters.

[naomiglover]

If you insist. But, it is the Grand Mufti and his supporters I'm refering to. You I mark as one of this mass murderer's supporters.

Everyone is a Nazi supporter!

[Guest American Woman]

EU to recognize East Jerusalem as Palestinian capital

Your thread title is incorrect. You are evidently assuming an outcome and stating your assumption as fact. Very dishonest. Furthermore, according to what I've read, your assumption is likely incorrect, too.

Sweden, the current EU president, is floating an initiative to recognize east Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital. The Israeli daily Haaretz reported Tuesday that Sweden will seek approval at an EU meeting in Brussels next week.

"Seeking approval" is far different from "EU to recognize ...."

The Europeans have long said Jerusalem should be a shared capital, but that Israel and the Palestinians must jointly agree on that.

Although the proposal is unlikely to pass, Israel's Foreign Ministry issued a strongly worded statement urging the EU not to proceed.

A Dutch diplomat called an EU decision on east Jerusalem "hard to imagine." Major decisions require unanimous approval, and there are divisions among the 27 members over the Jerusalem issue. Other diplomats said the wording of any final proposal would likely change.

If you want people to give your posts any merit, you can't post false information, and that's precisely what you've done in your title.

Edited to add link

Edited December 5, 2009 by American Woman

[DogOnPorch]

Everyone is a Nazi supporter!

By supporting the two main terrorist groups of the area and their allies, you certainly are a Nazi supporter.

http://www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/17089176.html

Germany stands for an uncompromising struggle against the Jews. It is self-evident that the struggle against the Jewish national homeland in Palestine forms part of this struggle, since such a national homeland would be nothing other than a political base for the destructive influence of Jewish interests. Germany also knows that the claim that Jewry plays the role of an economic pioneer in Palestine is a lie. Only the Arabs work there, not the Jews. Germany is determined to call on the European nations one by one to solve the Jewish problem and, at the proper moment, to address the same appeal to non-European peoples.

—Adolf Hitler to Haj Amin Al-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem, November 28, 1941

[myata]

Sweden may want Israel to sit down with the Nazi terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah, but, I'm telling you that's never going to happen. But, Sweden plyed-nice with the German Nazis...so no surprise.

As said, it can't be denied any longer that Israel's government has been involved in their own fair (or more than?) share of aggressive act. Allusions to Nazis or aliens or whatever will do nothing to diminish or distract from that obvious fact. The business of anybody genuinely interested in resolution of the conflict should be to promote deescalation of hostilities, and discorage, by act if necessary, aggression in any form and by any one side. If not, their involvement in itself would be contributing to the problem, rather than solution, just as we see over and again, in this very example.

[DogOnPorch]

In your own words, describe Hamas and Hezbollah.

Hamas @ work.

http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=rZIwlvfsAe

[Oleg Bach]

Isn't gonna happen with terrorists at the helm of the Palestinian Arab cause. When Hamas and Hezbollah are wiped out, then...maybe. But terrorism is a time-honoured tradition with this lot...so don't hold your breath.

Everyone is a terrorist - Israel - America - Palistine - Iran - Russia - France - etc. etc. etc. - As long as we think that we are the good guys the problem will persist - so called terrorists do not get pissed off for no reason..You have to offend them for a long peroid of time - which we did and which they now do - maybe a simple " I am sorry for sucking the blood out of you would be helpful?

[DogOnPorch]

Everyone is a terrorist

No they are not.

[myata]

In your own words, describe Hamas and Hezbollah.

It's not about worked-up descriptions though. Is somebody firing a gun into an apartment building any better? Obviously we have two sides (to be precise, factions on one side, and the current government on the other), that are bent on perpetrating acts of aggression against each other. We can demand of both sides to stop their acts. Or we can keep on with the policy of double speak (say one thing; do the opposite), with the obvious conclusion that we became (or maybe were, from the start?) a part of the problem.

[DogOnPorch]

It's not about worked-up descriptions though. Is somebody firing a gun into an apartment building any better? Obviously we have two sides (to be precise, factions on one side, and the current government on the other), that are bent on perpetrating acts of aggression against each other. We can demand of both sides to stop their acts. Or we can keep on with the policy of double speak (say one thing; do the opposite), with the obvious conclusion that we became (or maybe were, from the start?) a part of the problem.

You see? That's how screwed-up PC you've become. There's a video of Hamas murdering people in cold blood...and with quite a bit of glee...and you refuse to see it for what it is.

[myata]

No, but I'm simply trying see the whole picture, while all you want to say is that abuses and atrocities by one side (faction) somehow excuse or justify those by the other. Creating an endless chain of violence in which these episodes are bound to happen over and again. While selective vision would go a long way helping us to see and condemn some, and conveniently ignore and discard the others. Confirming the foregone conclusion that we we absolutely rightful and justified in whatever we were doing from the start.

P.S. obviously, authenticity of this or any other Web material cannot be assumed without verfication as is not implied in any way.

Edited December 7, 2009 by myata

[naomiglover]

Your thread title is incorrect. You are evidently assuming an outcome and stating your assumption as fact. Very dishonest.

It is possible it will happen and we will get the same response from the Israeli government (and DogsOnPorch and Dancer and Prancer) when it comes to the world not recognizing Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem.

Speaking of dishonesty, you still haven't shown the courage to admit that you were wrong. All you've done is try to cover the mistake you made. Very dishonest of you and I'm not impressed.

Edited December 7, 2009 by naomiglover