bush_cheney2004 Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 From Der Spiegel: When he entered office, US President Barack Obama promised to inject US foreign policy with a new tone of respect and diplomacy. His recent trip to Asia, however, showed that it's not working. A shift to Bush-style bluntness may be coming. ...Upon taking office, Obama said that he wanted to listen to the world, promising respect instead of arrogance. But Obama's currency isn't as strong as he had believed. Everyone wants respect, but hardly anyone is willing to pay for it. Interests, not emotions, dominate the world of realpolitik. The Asia trip revealed the limits of Washington's new foreign policy: Although Obama did not lose face in China and Japan, he did appear to have lost some of his initial stature. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662822,00.html Will President Obama signal a breakout from the past with his (long awaited) Afghanistan decision? Or are there more bows and courtsies in his foreign policy future? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Gabriel Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) I was listening to the Michael Savage show last week and he said something funny - that he would have been impressed had Obama went to China and told the Chinese: we'll pay you pennies on the dollar for all we owe you. Take it or leave it! Obama would've been THE MAN if he did that. Ah well, we can all dream. Edited November 24, 2009 by Gabriel Quote
BubberMiley Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Obama would have been "the man" if he made the U.S. into a basketcase nation that requires debt relief? I knew Michael Savage was an idiot, but I didn't realize he was that stupid. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Shady Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Did anyone see the SNL skit of Obama in China? BEST SKIT EVER! http://widgets.nbc.com/o/4727a250e66f9723/4b0bed4b57b5abe8/4b097b861a27bdfa/fb89fede/-cpid/d71db494133f3a25 Quote
BubberMiley Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Did anyone see the SNL skit of Obama in China? BEST SKIT EVER! Followed by Palin 2012. They're on a roll. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Shady Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Followed by Palin 2012. They're on a roll. Indeed. Except the Obama skit is unfortunately grounded in reality, and effects us all. Quote
bjre Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 More interesting articles: U.S. Grows More Dependent on China By GABOR STEINGART and WIELAND WAGNER http://abcnews.go.com/International/america-depends-china-financial-crisis/story?id=9062103 When she became US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton's first foreign trip was to Asia, to pay her respects to the new world power. "The United States is committed to pursuing a positive, cooperative relationship with China, one that we believe is important for the future peace, progress, and prosperity for both countries and for the world," she gushed. ... The United States is still the richest and militarily most powerful country in the world, but this is partly as a result of help from the Chinese. The two countries are locked together in a sort of community of fate. "We are truly going to rise or fall together," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said during her visit to China in February. ... America consumes what China produces. That, at least until now, was the basic law of globalization. The system worked without a hitch for decades. Fired up by various stock market and real estate booms, the Americans kept buying more and more each year, more clothing, toys, iPods and flat-screen TVs. Most of these products came from China. Understanding China By Martin Jacques http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-jacques22-2009nov22,0,6682428.story The West's failure to understand the Chinese has repeatedly undermined its ability to anticipate their behavior. Again and again, our predictions and beliefs about China have proved wrong: that the Chinese Communist Party would fall after 1989, that the country would divide, that its economic growth could not be sustained, that its growth figures were greatly exaggerated, that China was not sincere about its offer of "one country two systems" at the time of the hand-over of Hong Kong from Britain -- and, of course, that it would steadily Westernize. We have a long track record of getting China wrong. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Oleg Bach Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Obama had better get a grip on the mind set of the authorities in China. These guys are not nice people. Those that brokered the original buisness deals with China assumed that they were part of the exclusive internaional boys club. Saddam assumed the same thing untill he was double crossed and they whipped out the Rebublican guard on their trek home from Kuiat. The eastern authoritarians are murderous and if they could they would destroy all western culture and peoples and repopulate the world with their own very vast clan. They are not Christian based - nor of any other religion that follows doctrines and rules of law and kind civil behavior..They look upon Obama as a naive kid and they would have him for supper along with the rest of the world..and he would be the meal. Quote
bjre Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Obama had better get a grip on the mind set of the authorities in China. These guys are not nice people. Those that brokered the original buisness deals with China assumed that they were part of the exclusive internaional boys club. Saddam assumed the same thing untill he was double crossed and they whipped out the Rebublican guard on their trek home from Kuiat. The eastern authoritarians are murderous and if they could they would destroy all western culture and peoples and repopulate the world with their own very vast clan. They are not Christian based - nor of any other religion that follows doctrines and rules of law and kind civil behavior..They look upon Obama as a naive kid and they would have him for supper along with the rest of the world..and he would be the meal. About nice: In China, near everyone can say, a person is nice when he was born. They are born nice, at least they believe so. However, your bible said you were born with sin. So you believe you are no longer nice since you were born. About Murderous: China had been the most powerful culture in the world for thousands of years, they did not kill most local people which western nations did in North America, in some places in south Africa, and many other places. Wherever they go, they do business with goods produced in China instead of guns, although China is the place that invent gun powder. About destroy of culture: China has many ethnic groups, they enjoy their own culture, speak different language, if you can only speak Mandarin, you will find you can not understand in Shanghai, If you can speak Shanghai language, you will find you will not be able to understand what people said in Shichuan. There are hundreds of opera in different languages. While in North America, Is any of English, French, Spanish can be regard as native culture? How many kind of opera do you have? In Soviet Union related countries, which one speak non-Russian now? It is very clear who destroy cultures. About Religions: Native religions in China are all about hide far away from others. They choose very quiet place in mountains to build their temples. In china's history, countless religions were peacefully stay together, they are still there now. They did not attacking Christian when they came to China more than 100 years ago. I have only heard western religion want to kill other religions. In summary, China's culture is about nice and tolerance, even in their war strategy books, it emphasis on conquer without war. Think about what your culture teaches you. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Oleg Bach Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 China like Russia destroyed their gene pool. The first thing that a tyrant must do in order to grasp power is kill all of the intelligent people that know what is going on. Look at what has become of Russia. They could not even create a reasonable and road worthy automobile. I don't know who you are but I guess you forget that China had to murder millions of people to become what it is today - a huge massive slave labour camp that has air as thick as vapourised shit. Quote
bjre Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 China like Russia destroyed their gene pool. The first thing that a tyrant must do in order to grasp power is kill all of the intelligent people that know what is going on. Look at what has become of Russia. They could not even create a reasonable and road worthy automobile. I don't know who you are but I guess you forget that China had to murder millions of people to become what it is today - a huge massive slave labour camp that has air as thick as vapourised shit. What you talk about China is based on lies. And Russia is a country with western culture. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Shady Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 China's culture is about nice and tolerance Really? How have they been nice and tolerant to Tibet? Or Taiwan? Or to the Falon Gong? Or to female babies? it emphasis on conquer without war. No. It states that war is won before battle even takes place. Quote
Shady Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 China's culture is about nice and tolerance Oh, and ever heard of a fellow named Mao? Quote
bjre Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Really? How have they been nice and tolerant to Tibet? Or Taiwan? Or to the Falon Gong? All those have CIA behind them. Or to female babies? Most are lies except some crimes that occurs everywhere in the world. Need not repeat what I have already posted several times. Need not to repeat post what western countries did crime in the world, it is just more than too many. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Oh, and ever heard of a fellow named Mao? He is the one who saved China from western robbers and destroyers. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Oleg Bach Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 What you talk about China is based on lies. And Russia is a country with western culture. Did China not kill millions to create what it is today? Did the Russian revolutionary bands of peasant not go on a quest to find my grandfather and kill him? If you kill millions of bright people..who in turn do not father bright children - the level of intelligence is lowered in time - that is a physical fact and not a lie. I have mentioned this to those that are allowed to communicate via the web from China - eventually these highly aggressive communicators threatened to harm me. NO - sorry - China can not be trusted - evil and stupidity are brother and sister. Intelligent people do NOT beat helpless prisoners to death - nor do they get so ambitious that they make the air unbreathable through their vast enterprize. Are you from China? Quote
bjre Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) Think about what your culture teaches you. The first culture I have learned here is to blame others. Edited November 24, 2009 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Did China not kill millions to create what it is today? Did the Russian revolutionary bands of peasant not go on a quest to find my grandfather and kill him? If you kill millions of bright people..who in turn do not father bright children - the level of intelligence is lowered in time - that is a physical fact and not a lie. I have mentioned this to those that are allowed to communicate via the web from China - eventually these highly aggressive communicators threatened to harm me. Because you were tell lie, you make them angry, they did not mean to kill you, they just express their anger, even you go to China to tell them there, they may angry, they will not kill you. you will be safe. NO - sorry - China can not be trusted - evil and stupidity are brother and sister. As you wish. That is your choice. You are always free to make decision based on lies. I don't trust any western politician. I can always find some Chinese politician that I can somewhat trust. Intelligent people do NOT beat helpless prisoners to death - nor do they get so ambitious that they make the air unbreathable through their vast enterprize. Abu Ghraib torture or Afghan prisoner torture by Canada? Are you from China? Of course. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Shady Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 I'll ask again. Really? How have they been nice and tolerant to Tibet? Or Taiwan? Or to the Falon Gong? Or to female babies? Quote
bjre Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 I'll ask again. Really? How have they been nice and tolerant to Tibet? Or Taiwan? Or to the Falon Gong? Or to female babies? If you ask for your personal interest or your career. I need not to answer again. I have no interest to change your career future. If you ask for your error knowledge obtained by what you learned in school and what you heard from media, you can find it by research in a seriously scientific manner. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 24, 2009 Author Report Posted November 24, 2009 He is the one who saved China from western robbers and destroyers. Because China could not save itself from the Japanese. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Because you were tell lie, you make them angry, they did not mean to kill you, they just express their anger, even you go to China to tell them there, they may angry, they will not kill you. you will be safe. As you wish. That is your choice. You are always free to make decision based on lies. I don't trust any western politician. I can always find some Chinese politician that I can somewhat trust. Abu Ghraib torture or Afghan prisoner torture by Canada? Of course. Look at the mentality. Total indoctrination to the point that they will make statements such as "You are free to make decisions based on lies" - It seems that China is preying on our liberality...in other words we are free to f**k ourselves to death - I suggest that China hire better propogandists. I have yet to see a good one yet. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Because China could not save itself from the Japanese. If it was not for the grace of American troops leaving tons of beer cans and oil drums behind in Japan..there would never have been a toy industry (remember all of our toys as kids were stamped "made in Japan"? If you took one apart you would find a can of Bud turned inside out - If it were not for the guilt ridden Christian aid generated by the sorrow created by the use of the A-bomb...Japan would have not recieved 50 million a day in aid for years ----and if it were not for the success of Japan granted though Christian guilt there would be no CHINA as we know it....how come China is so preditorial in respect to America - a thank you card would be appreciated. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 24, 2009 Author Report Posted November 24, 2009 .... If you took one apart you would find a can of Bud turned inside out - If it were not for the guilt ridden Christian aid generated by the sorrow created by the use of the A-bomb...Japan would have not recieved 50 million a day in aid for years ----and if it were not for the success of Japan granted though Christian guilt there would be no CHINA as we know it....how come China is so preditorial in respect to America - a thank you card would be appreciated. Not so much Christian guilt as a successful post WW2 strategy against the former Soviet Union.....emphasis on "former". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bjre Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Because China could not save itself from the Japanese. He led Chinese people stopped the one-century-long robbery started by England since 1848, drive all robbers away no matter they from Japan, Europe, North America, or Australia. The robbery had convert china that produce one third of the world production into a hell. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
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