Man may avoid death penalty because he is Non-White

[lictor616]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local_state/story/183867.html

Judges have been turning deaf ears to defendants’ requests to delay murder cases to examine whether they face the death penalty because of their skin color.

Four months ago, North Carolina lawmakers passed a ground-breaking law that allows defendants to avoid a capital trial or seek relief from a death sentence because of racial bias. In recent weeks, some judges have refused to consider requests to allow time to examine the role of race.

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No one has been executed in North Carolina since August 2006, when legal challenges in state and federal courts halted the death penalty.

Despite that, prosecutors in the state have been pursuing punishment by death with as much fervor as in prior years. Of the roughly 1,200 pending first-degree murder cases, at least 250 are capital cases, according to the state Capital Defender’s Office. Of the 25 capital trials in 2007 and 2008, juries imposed death four times. The death row population is 163.

years ago I recall liberal reporters in NYC asked Mayor Ed Koch how he could support the “racist” death penalty.

Their jaws dropped when Koch correctly noted that since capital punishment was reinstated in the late 70s whites were now far more likely to be executed than blacks.

[Michael Hardner]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local_state/story/183867.html

Judges have been turning deaf ears to defendants’ requests to delay murder cases to examine whether they face the death penalty because of their skin color.

Four months ago, North Carolina lawmakers passed a ground-breaking law that allows defendants to avoid a capital trial or seek relief from a death sentence because of racial bias. In recent weeks, some judges have refused to consider requests to allow time to examine the role of race.

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No one has been executed in North Carolina since August 2006, when legal challenges in state and federal courts halted the death penalty.

Despite that, prosecutors in the state have been pursuing punishment by death with as much fervor as in prior years. Of the roughly 1,200 pending first-degree murder cases, at least 250 are capital cases, according to the state Capital Defender’s Office. Of the 25 capital trials in 2007 and 2008, juries imposed death four times. The death row population is 163.

years ago I recall liberal reporters in NYC asked Mayor Ed Koch how he could support the “racist” death penalty.

Their jaws dropped when Koch correctly noted that since capital punishment was reinstated in the late 70s whites were now far more likely to be executed than blacks.

To address your lament from the other thread. Again you've posted something without a cite (the mayor Koch example) and the original article indicates that there is no traction to the law referred to in the subject line.

I'm glad that you have admired Kimmy's ability to articulate posts clearly. Why not aim for the stars ? Again, please follow the 8 (now 9) suggestions I have for you on page 17 of this thread:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=15256&st=240&gopid=482904entry482904

[M.Dancer]

Again you've posted something without a cite (the mayor Koch example) and the original article indicates that there is no traction to the law referred to in the subject line.

You will find his exact Koch statement here.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/11/race_law_lacks.php

Madison Grant wrote at 10:27 AM on November 11:

To Eric and Q.D.:

Many years ago I recall watching liberal reporters here in NYC ask Mayor Ed Koch how he could support the “racist” death penalty.

Their jaws dropped when Koch correctly noted that since capital punishment was reinstated in the late 70s whites were now far more likely to be executed than blacks.

Curious ain't it? I mean the Koch statement, the story it is connected to and the website it is on.

[Michael Hardner]

You will find his exact Koch statement here.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/11/race_law_lacks.php

Curious ain't it? I mean the Koch statement, the story it is connected to and the website it is on.

Actually, that seems to be another lame post on another forum. Who knows if Koch even said that ?

As to the implication that white supremacists share Lictor's value system, such that it is, I'm interested in finding out what the basis is for his beliefs no matter what they are. I've long suspected that people who believe in theories of racial superiority (not saying this is Lictor here) do so out of emotional need, and likely an irrational paranoia of sorts.

I still haven't seen a solid factual basis for those theories, and Lictor hasn't been very good at providing one yet. In fact, he seems to be a new breed of 'politically correct' racial theorist, who doesn't believe that the races are largely equal, yet is too shy or polite to admit it.

[M.Dancer]

Actually, that seems to be another lame post on another forum. Who knows if Koch even said that ?

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

Maybe Lictor plagairized the Koch quote word for word from another site comments section, maybe he didn't.

[Michael Hardner]

Hmmmm... good point. Will you report it ?

[M.Dancer]

Hmmmm... good point. Will you report it ?

I don't think my messages to the immoderators get read.

[Guest American Woman]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local_state/story/183867.html

Judges have been turning deaf ears to defendants’ requests to delay murder cases to examine whether they face the death penalty because of their skin color.

Four months ago, North Carolina lawmakers passed a ground-breaking law that allows defendants to avoid a capital trial or seek relief from a death sentence because of racial bias. In recent weeks, some judges have refused to consider requests to allow time to examine the role of race.

"Race" doesn't equal "Black." If more whites are executed, as you claim, then whites could protest the death penalty on "statistical evidence" that being white makes one more likely to receive the death penalty.

But anyway you look at it, you're claim in the title that "North Carolina passes law against executing blacks" is totally false.

The Racial Justice Act, signed into law Aug. 11 by Gov. Beverly Perdue, seeks to prevent death sentences “sought or obtained on the basis of race.” It allows defendants to introduce statistical evidence that shows race was a significant factor in the decision to seek or impose a death sentence.

Will NC's new Racial Justice Act effectively kill the state's death penalty?

[Guest American Woman]

Who knows if Koch even said that ?

Based on the total number of murders committed by whites, one conclusion that could be drawn is that whites, not blacks, were disproportionately executed.

Death Penalty Fair? Edward I. Koch Friday, Feb. 21, 2003

[Michael Hardner]

Based on the total number of murders committed by whites, one conclusion that could be drawn is that whites, not blacks, were disproportionately executed.

Death Penalty Fair? Edward I. Koch Friday, Feb. 21, 2003

Good for you for out-Googling Morris. He's a master Googler so that's saying something.

Koch's numbers though, aren't correct. He's taking 2001 numbers only. If you look at the statistics since 1976, the year that the death penalty was restored, then it's a different picture. Depending on how you define the races (which is a separate problem, of course, ignored by those who base all rationales on race) then 2001 was a year in which white executions were over represented.

Still, there's something to be learned from what he says. There used to be a bias in which accused received the death penalty, but that appears to have been dealt with as now the focus is on the fact that white victims elicit death penalty convictions at a greater rate.

[Oleg Bach]

Got asked by a younger person today why the state in some places can kill you while a person not part of an institution or a person in great authourity is NOT allowed to execute (kill) someone? Both myself and the younger person agreed that controlled calulated and premeditated murder of any sort is evil...so why does the state get to be king of the evil heap and the average person does not? It's as if the state is constantly pulling rank on us. It is as if they are saying - evil rules the world and we are rulers and you are not...Killing is evil - and capital punishment simply states that evil has domain over the world and not goodness.

This whole premise makes sense to me - I have never met a person that is in support of capital punishment that is not evil - So as for a non-white avoiding evil - is probably evil doing the double wammy on all of us..It sounds like evil has put this non-white premise forward to get us angry and even more hateful - seems lictor does not have any authority over evil..he seems over whelmed by it....a helpful quote.."Young men for you are strong because you have mastered evil" - That YOU understand it and you are not afraid of it - nor are you controlled by it.....those that like capital punishment are people that allow evil to rule to double it's power over them - to kill a person is bad - but to kill the killer is evil growing not shrinking.

[Pliny]

Well, Oleg, as I have stated in other posts the State is about "force" and not reason. It should never have authority to decide life and death. It justifies it's use of force in all instances and does not differentiate between the the use and abuse of it's monopoly.

Someone can support capital punishment without being evil. He need only be presented with evidence of the most heinous crime imaginable - evil itself, to support it. Unfortunately, a license to kill will inevitably be abused and should never be granted.

So how does one eliminate that with which reason cannot be applied?