whowhere Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Thanks. I needed my daily dose of crazy. Perhaps, but this is acheivable. All it would take is for a politicians to table legislation outlining the process of selecting and electing the GG via voting by Canadians and having it Assented by the Queen. Afterwhich Canadians will have the final voice on Parliament and not some unelected prime minister and his party stooges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 You obviously have no understanding of our government system....absolutely none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 You obviously have no understanding of our government system....absolutely none. You know, I was about to make a reasoned response to his post, and then caught a glimpse of yours above; it made me realise any effort to present facts to and request rational responses from him would be futile. But, you're also right in that there's a certain amount of entertainment value in his contributions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 You obviously have no understanding of our government system....absolutely none. I understand it clearly to know we have a Prime Minister unelected by the people making decisions that has profoundly affected Canada. The BNA Act and the 1982 Constitution has no reference to prime Minister but makes specific reference to the Governor General and the Governer General has powers over parliament and the Prime Minister. It is clear you and Bambino are communists. Communists are unelected people running the Country for their own gain. Democracies are swayed by the will of the populace. You and bambino don't want the Canadian people to have say in Canada's destiny. The Governor General Has veto powers over parliament. That is fact. The Governor General also Can dismiss the Prime Minister and the Cabinet and have the Opposition Provide a Prime Minister and Cabinet. It's time Canadians choose the Governor General to ensure Parliament is working for Canadians and not the communists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 The BNA Act and the 1982 Constitution has no reference to prime Minister The Constitution Act, 1982 does in fact make reference to the Prime Minister. It does not however outline the powers of the position. It is clear you and Bambino are communists. Communists are unelected people running the Country for their own gain. Democracies are swayed by the will of the populace. You and bambino don't want the Canadian people to have say in Canada's destiny. Actually, what's clear is that Bambino and myself are monarchists. It's time Canadians choose the Governor General to ensure Parliament is working for Canadians and not the communists. Yeah, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Actually, what's clear is that Bambino and myself are monarchists. Yeah, right. How is Canadians choosing the Governor General to represent the Queen instead of the Prime Minister affecting the Monarchy? It's not. The Queen is still represented. The only difference is Canadians will not have a Rubber stamp to allow communists to wreck Canada any further. You and bambino are communists, admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 I can't admit to being something that I'm not. Electing the Governor General would politicize the position, something I certainly don't want to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 I can't admit to being something that I'm not. Electing the Governor General would politicize the position, something I certainly don't want to see. It's called democracy. The US president has the power to Veto and form the Government Adminsitration. In Canada that's the Cabinet. The Governor General has the power to veto and fire the Prime Minister and Cabinet. Could you imagine if Canada had an elected Governor General to stop Mulroney from taking Canada from 100 Billion in National Debt to 600 Billion in National Debt where Canada would be? Canadians deserve to be represented. The conservatives and the liberals do not speak for Canadians. They speak for their buddies. Perhaps the President doesn't speak for Americans either but at least the President is his own man and is elected by a direct vote of the American people. The Governor General too would be its own man/women and electing by the Canadian people. Congess also has a house leader which would be our prime minister. The house leader of congress is the party with the majority of seats. Evolution happens and Canadians need to evolve into a democracy not this communist run regime we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 It's called democracy. It's called lunacy. Could you imagine if Canada had an elected Governor General to stop Mulroney from taking Canada from 100 Billion in National Debt to 600 Billion in National Debt where Canada would be? Indeed, I can imagine the constitutional crisis caused when prime minister and governor general president end up in a stalemate over who has the popular mandate to govern. The conservatives and the liberals do not speak for Canadians. And the candidates for governor general president would never come from those parties? Congess also has a house leader which would be our prime minister. Good greif! Congress has two House Leaders, and when has either been the chief advisor to the President on how to exercise executive power? Evolution happens and Canadians need to evolve into a democracy not this communist run regime we have now. Present one reliable source - just one - that proves Canada is a communist state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) Look whowhere. We vote for parliaments and governments (indirectly), not leaders. You seem to want us to vote for leaders. I don't see why that's any better than what we do now. Edited December 18, 2009 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 You obviously have no understanding of our government system....absolutely none. Maybe as good as mine, but remember I'm not a Canadian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Look whowhere. We cote for parliaments and governments (indirectly), not leaders. You seem to want us to vote for leaders. I don't see why that's any better than what we do now. The world likes outgoing, charismatic leaders. Why should Canadians be deprived a leader to Navigate Canada in the interests of....Canadians. We need to put an end to the communist conservatives and Liberals and have Canada governored in the Interests of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 The world likes outgoing, charismatic leaders. Why should Canadians be deprived a leader to Navigate Canada in the interests of....Canadians. We need to put an end to the communist conservatives and Liberals and have Canada governored in the Interests of Canada. Assumption 1: The pool of potential leaders will always have at least one charismatic figure. Assumption 2: Canadians now have self-destructive leaders interested only in dissolving the very system their leadership status requires. Assumption 3: Communism will be erradicated by eliminating choice in political ideology. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Assumption 1: The pool of potential leaders will always have at least one charismatic figure. Assumption 2: Canadians now have self-destructive leaders interested only in dissolving the very system their leadership status requires. Assumption 3: Communism will be erradicated by eliminating choice in political ideology. Brilliant. There is no reasoning with the comrads. Canadians have a right to elect their leader who will have similar powers to the US president. The power to veto which is what really matters. The communist conservatives and Liberals have wrecked Canada enough already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 There is no reasoning with the comrads. Canadians have a right to elect their leader who will have similar powers to the US president. The power to veto which is what really matters. The communist conservatives and Liberals have wrecked Canada enough already. No they don't....Canada is a constitutional monarchy.....there is no elected president as head of state. Comparisons to the US are no more valid than comparisons to Botswana. Hell, even the US president isn't directly elected by voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 No they don't....Canada is a constitutional monarchy.....there is no elected president as head of state. Comparisons to the US are no more valid than comparisons to Botswana. Hell, even the US president isn't directly elected by voters. Canada is a doomed democracy. We are afraid of our own shadows up here. We fear change and it amazes me no end that we even have electricity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Canada is a doomed democracy. We are afraid of our own shadows up here. We fear change Oh, please. It's utterly amazing that we have people decrying all the change took place during the Trudeau years while others simultaneously whinge about how nothing changes. It seems you just want to gripe, Jerry, whether it makes sense or not. [sp] Edited December 18, 2009 by g_bambino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Oh, please. It's utterly amazing that we have people decrying all the change took place during the Trudeau years while others simultaneously whinge about how nothing changes. It seems you just want to gripe, Jerry, whether it makes sense or not. [sp] This nation has lost much face since Trudeau left the PMO. We have become wishwashy over just about everything. Governments seem to go through entire mandates by flip-floping on issues. We now have a minority government who has to reach out to other parties in order to have sufficient support just to pass legislation. Things have changed, and they keep changing. My big issue with government is the lack of transparency and patronage. That is not to say I don't support massive democratic reforms, but that is another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 We now have a minority government who has to reach out to other parties in order to have sufficient support just to pass legislation. That has always been the case; it is the inherent characteristic of minority governments that want to survive more than a week, and adequately reflects the spectrum of political opinion at the time of the last election. That didn't start with Trudeau; and, if you don't want to use him as an example of people complaining about change, there are those out there right now who are bitching about how Harper has changed the country, even with only a minority in parliament. See Lawrence Martin's sad lament, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfempty Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Well, when one thinks of "identity" one usually thinks of cultural identity, which Canada doesn't have much of; seeing as how we're such a diverse nation with immigrants from all over the world. We have some cultural aspects by which we are known for, like our mounties, the maple leaf on our flag, and being good at hockey, but besides that I can't find much. I don't think Canadians try to be "un-american though", in fact during the last century we were heavily culturally influenced by America to the point that today we are more like Americans then the British; which was not the case prior to WW1. Almost every company in Canada is American, we have a huge border with them, our population is 10% of theirs, and all of our media comes from Hollywood, so the fact that Canada is so "american-ized" isn't really surprising. If there's one aspect where Canadians try to be different then Americans it's government. We're pretty socialist up here, as a contrast to the capitalistic americans, and no offence intended here but i've heard everyone from 5th grade kids (my cousins), adults, and old timers making fun of Bush and the people who, not once but twice, elected him to lead their country lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 No they don't....Canada is a constitutional monarchy.....there is no elected president as head of state. Comparisons to the US are no more valid than comparisons to Botswana. Hell, even the US president isn't directly elected by voters. Yes but if been reading the posts on this thread the Governor General has to ascent all legislation and has the power to fire the PM and the Cabinet and establish a new PM and Cabinet. That is broad stroke power to veto and redirect Canada's governance as required. As it stands we an unelected prime minister who recommends the governor general to the Queen and is signed off on without thought. Canada doesn't need a rubberstamp GG recommended by an unelected Prime Minister. Nothing would change except Canadians would elect the Governor General to represent the Queen instead of the PM selecting one. As for your tarded statement the Americans don't directly vote for the Presidents makes you somewhat kin of a holocaust denier who is trying to rewrite reality. http://www.voanews.com/bangla/archive/2008-11/2008-11-04-voa3.cfm?moddate=2008-11-04 Yes Americans vote for the president via the electoral college system instead of popular vote. The electoral college is the only true reflection of democracy. To have it any other way would allow demographics to sway the vote which would not reflect the sentiments of the US as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 This nation has lost much face since Trudeau left the PMO. We have become wishwashy over just about everything. Governments seem to go through entire mandates by flip-floping on issues. We now have a minority government who has to reach out to other parties in order to have sufficient support just to pass legislation. Things have changed, and they keep changing. My big issue with government is the lack of transparency and patronage. That is not to say I don't support massive democratic reforms, but that is another story. What are you talking about? the communist conservatives have formed the cabinet which controls the government who in turns hire the communists friends. The communist conservatives have appointed countless plum Senate positions. The conservatives have been busy feathering the nests of the conservatives. The only difference between a minority and a majority they have a tougher time getting Canada's cash into the pockets of their cabinet ministers and their new conservative hirees. Still business as usual for the communist conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Yes Americans vote for the president via the electoral college system instead of popular vote. Oh, you mean like how we get a prime minister via the parliamentary system instead of popular vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 ...As for your tarded statement the Americans don't directly vote for the Presidents makes you somewhat kin of a holocaust denier who is trying to rewrite reality. You have only confirmed your twisted thinking and lust for what cannot be....the very essence of why there is a separate Canada and USA is easy understood by even "retards"...but not you it would seem. Yes Americans vote for the president via the electoral college system instead of popular vote. The electoral college is the only true reflection of democracy. To have it any other way would allow demographics to sway the vote which would not reflect the sentiments of the US as it is. In other words...you got it half-ass backwards again. Call your Queen..she can explain it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 You have only confirmed your twisted thinking and lust for what cannot be....the very essence of why there is a separate Canada and USA is easy understood by even "retards"...but not you it would seem. I know American history and I take things at face value. What do you mean Cannot be? Canadians choosing the GG to represent the Queen instead of the PM is a singular idea. Singular Ideas are ones which people can get behind very easily. Canada is one step away from having a US style Governoring System. The US president has the power to veto, the GG has the power to veto. This is what Canadians need to wrestle the Country back from the Communist conservatives. In other words...you got it half-ass backwards again. Call your Queen..she can explain it to you. Because you lack the Capacity to enlighten this thread you run like a pretension coward. Back up your BS you have said. You can't so this is your cop out. Other forums have a cry baby emoticons but this will have to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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