bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 But "aboot"? I think you're right; I've only ever heard it pronounced that way to make fun of the manner in which nobody talks. ...but that wouldn't account for "oat and aboat in a boat." Or "Proa-cess" Or "Hoase" Perhaps the most common example of Canadian raising in everyday speech is that to non-Canadians "out" is heard pronounced the same as "oat." This means that the vowels in the phrase "out and about in a boat" have all the same sound, rendering them as "oat and aboat in a boat." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_raising Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 I have never heard anyone outside of Atlantic Canada talk with that particular accent. I certainly don't. Quote
blueblood Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 I have never heard anyone outside of Atlantic Canada talk with that particular accent. I certainly don't. Southern Ontario. It's noticeable if you pay close attention. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Smallc Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 Southern Ontario. It's noticeable if you pay close attention. Sorry, but in my time in Toronto...through watching Flashpoint....watching the media...i don't hear it at all. I do hear it in the accent of people from Atlantic Canada, specifically Nova Scotia. Quote
blueblood Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 Sorry, but in my time in Toronto...through watching Flashpoint....watching the media...i don't hear it at all. I do hear it in the accent of people from Atlantic Canada, specifically Nova Scotia. Like I said you have to pay close attention, it's not as pronounced as it is over in Atlantic Canada. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Sir Bandelot Posted March 21, 2010 Author Report Posted March 21, 2010 My comment about the word "aboot" was poking fun at Americans, some of whom hear things quite differently when we pronounce certain words. It's not always obvious to all y'all. Quote
Pliny Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 (edited) Youse fellases are oat and aboat on a boat. I think eastern, maritime Canadians speak that way. Americans tend to drawl and say "aowt" instead of "owt". "Oot" and "aboot" I have never heard Canadians say; only Americans when describing Canadian pronunciations. PS: Harper has always been a conservative so he isn't a neo-conservative. Edited March 21, 2010 by Pliny Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 I have never heard anyone outside of Atlantic Canada talk with that particular accent. I certainly don't. It is obvious to those who do not accent in such a way, same as some New Englanders are easily spotted. Canadian television productions for HGTV have numerous examples of the "oat in aboat in a boat" dialect. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Sir Bandelot Posted March 21, 2010 Author Report Posted March 21, 2010 PS: Harper has always been a conservative so he isn't a neo-conservative. Harper was a Progressive Conservative? Quote
Smallc Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 (edited) Like I said you have to pay close attention, it's not as pronounced as it is over in Atlantic Canada. I just don't hear it. Every person I've ever met from Ontario has the same accent as western Canadians. Edited March 21, 2010 by Smallc Quote
Smallc Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 Canadians do say eh though...all of the time. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 I just don't hear it. Every person I've ever met from Ontario has the same accent as western Canadians. Correct...you don't "hear" it, but it's there: Individuals who speak with Canadian raising will frequently be baffled by reports that they are being perceived as saying "aboot" or more precisely "a boat." Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Jack Weber Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 It is obvious to those who do not accent in such a way, same as some New Englanders are easily spotted. Canadian television productions for HGTV have numerous examples of the "oat in aboat in a boat" dialect. It's not exaclty "oot" or "oat"...It's sort of in between.I watched a thing on linguistic dialects on the CeeB about a year ago.The experts felt that Canada is only now gaining distinct regional dialects because we are a sparsely populated country and we are fairly young.They justaposed this with rgions of the US that have been populated for over 250 years.They specifically looked at the nasally,"Yankee" accesnt of the Great Lakes states,and the overenphasised "Ay" sound...For example,in many places in those states,the word "measure" might be pronounced "maysure".Another obvious example would be a commercial I heared when I was teenager about a supermarket chain around the Buffalo area. The tag line was Tops friendly market...Where your dollar goes farther!... It sounded like this...Taps friendly Mayrket...Where your Dallar goes Fayrther!... It did'nt help that the announcer was a women with a very shrill voice! I'm amazed how that accent has'nt infiltrated into everyday discourse in Souther Onatrio because of the proximity of the populations.But if I go over to Niagara Fall,NY,I can tell the difference almost immediately.I suppose it's the same for people from Niagar Falls,NY coming this way? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 (edited) Correct...you don't "hear" it, but it's there: Individuals who speak with Canadian raising will frequently be baffled by reports that they are being perceived as saying "aboot" or more precisely "a boat." It's not there at all. There is definitely a lowering in the American midwest. We say out the same way that most of your TV stars do...that is, those of us that don't live in Atlantic Canada. I say o-w-t. I don't say o-o-t. Edited March 21, 2010 by Smallc Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 It's not exaclty "oot" or "oat"...It's sort of in between. Agreed...that is a good description. Very distinct to others. ...I watched a thing on linguistic dialects on the CeeB about a year ago.The experts felt that Canada is only now gaining distinct regional dialects because we are a sparsely populated country and we are fairly young.They justaposed this with rgions of the US that have been populated for over 250 years. Yep...relative isolation leads to this in many parts of the world. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 It's not there at all. There is definitely a lowering in the American midwest. We say out the same way that most of your TV stars do...that is, those of us that don't live in Atlantic Canada. I say o-w-t. I don't say o-o-t. It has nothing to do with "TV stars"....HGTV productions out of Canada typically involve average Janes and Joes trying to decorate, buy, or sell homes. Many are filmed in southern Ontario. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 It has nothing to do with "TV stars"....HGTV productions out of Canada typically involve average Janes and Joes trying to decorate, buy, or sell homes. Many are filmed in southern Ontario. Does this guy say aboot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag9YecNdn88 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 Does this guy say aboot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag9YecNdn88 Yes....he has a very slight "raising" as well. It is subtle, except when he purposely accentuates the lowered "about". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 (edited) Yes....he has a very slight "raising" as well. It is subtle, except when he purposely accentuates the lowered "about". I've just spent the last few minutes watching Canadians and Americans say about. I cannot spot the difference. I have a musical ear (I play an instrument, and sing) and I can't come up with any real discernible difference. There may be a small one, but it's not as pronounced as people make it out to be. To be more precise, there is no aboot. The w sound is slightly less pronounced, but I don't find it noticeable without paying very close attention. I do notice the o-a-t sound of the people directly below us though. Like I said though, we say eh all of the time. Edited March 21, 2010 by Smallc Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 To be more precise, there is no aboot. The w sound is slightly less pronounced, but I don't find it noticeable without paying very close attention. Jack Weber described the raising more precisely...it is in between those. I do notice the o-a-t sound of the people directly below us though. Do you notice "PROA-cess"...instead of "PRAH-cess"? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Pliny Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 Harper was a Progressive Conservative? Never. From Reform to Canadian Alliance to Conservative he got rid of the "Progressive" Conservative designation when the Canadian Alliance and PC party joined together. It then became the Conservative party of Canada (CPC) Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Jack Weber Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 Jack Weber described the raising more precisely...it is in between those. Do you notice "PROA-cess"...instead of "PRAH-cess"? I do...Americans around the Great Lakes speak through their noses!!! Dallar,Tap,Battom,Dayta,etc... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 Do you notice "PROA-cess"...instead of "PRAH-cess"? Yes, I say process. I sometimes say process though. There are definite difference between dialect areas. I just don't hear the pronounced aboot in most of Canada. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 Never. From Reform to Canadian Alliance to Conservative he got rid of the "Progressive" Conservative designation when the Canadian Alliance and PC party joined together. It then became the Conservative party of Canada (CPC) You forgot the acronym in between Reform and Alliance... The good old CRAP party!!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 21, 2010 Report Posted March 21, 2010 Yes, I say process. I sometimes say process though. There are definite difference between dialect areas. I just don't hear the pronounced aboot in most of Canada. I notice the "aboot"...I still pronounce it that way,though... I notice,at least in Ontario,the harsh "r".It's as harsh as the "ay" sound form the northen states... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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