Mr.Canada Posted October 4, 2009 Report Posted October 4, 2009 I browse the 3 Federalist political party websites daily as a small hobby of mine. The way I see it it's a smart idea to know what the opposition is up to and what their plans are for Canada. I go the Tory Website and I see they have a section clearly labeled "POLICY" and under it I may find all the details about what it is the would like to do in specific areas. Next I go to the NDP website and am greeted by the ever smiling Jack Layton...and what's this...a section labeled "PLAN" and under it I find a litany of information pertaining to issues they have and how they'd like to see them addressed and how they plan to go about doing that. I don't agree with many of their ideals but hey at least they have proven that they stand for something and have a plan on how they would like to go about achieving those goals...fair enough. Lastly I come upon the Liberal website and I must say it looks much better then it used to and I like the new logo better than the old one however it seems to be devoid of any mention of any policy or plan they may have for Canada. I find this extremely odd for a party that has been pushing so hard for an election to not have any solid plan or policy in place. I re-check the headings labeled as follows... * Michael Ignatieff *Team * Party Central *Newsroom * Get Involved *Contribute I figure there has to be some mistake and double then triple check under all the heading listed above searching for any trace of a policy or plan. I couldn't find one at all. I'm led to ask the next question. What do the Liberals stand for? What is there plan for Canada and how do they plan to get there? The Conservative Party and the NDP both have clearly laid out plans for Canada. Where is the Liberal Party led by Micheal Ignatieff's plan? Is there a Liberal hidden agenda? It would immediately seem so as I don't see any mention of Plan or Policy so it's hidden from public view...why I ask..why hide it from Canadians Michael Ignatieff? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
scribblet Posted October 4, 2009 Report Posted October 4, 2009 So far there isn't one, Ignatieff has turned out to be an over hyped dud. I bet he'll be gone after Christmas. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Mr.Canada Posted October 4, 2009 Author Report Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) So far there isn't one, Ignatieff has turned out to be an over hyped dud. I bet he'll be gone after Christmas. I almost feel sorry for the Liberal party, if I wasn't such a partisan Tory. To be honest they do have some MP's that do a great job for their ridings and if I lived in their riding I would actually vote for them. There's not many but a few good ones in there. He really needs to go. However the reason, I feel, that he sin't gone now is if he steps down now Harper will engineer his own defeat. I'm sure the Liberals know this and are forced to go into the next election with Ignatieff. However you may be right Scriblett, if they dump him just before the Christmas break and elect a new leader they may have enough time to get it together by the time parliament resumes. It's going to get very interesting very soon around the Liberal camp as I'm sure the scent of blood is int he water already and the sharks are circling. Edited October 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Keepitsimple Posted October 4, 2009 Report Posted October 4, 2009 I almost feel sorry for the Liberal party, if I wasn't such a partisan Tory. To be honest they do have some MP's that do a great job for their ridings and if I lived in their riding I would actually vote for them. There's not many but a few good ones in there.He really needs to go. However the reason, I feel, that he sin't gone now is if he steps down now Harper will engineer his own defeat. I'm sure the Liberals know this and are forced to go into the next election with Ignatieff. However you may be right Scriblett, if they dump him just before the Christmas break and elect a new leader they may have enough time to get it together by the time parliament resumes. It's going to get very interesting very soon around the Liberal camp as I'm sure the scent of blood is int he water already and the sharks are circling. If they dump Ignatieff in the next year - then Harper should force an election. It's not just opportunism. The result would better reflect the will of the electorate. Those who voted Liberal did not vote for a party that dumped two leaders - they voted for Dion. Those voters deserve to have their voices heard. I think that if the Liberals dump Ignatieff, the public will give Harper a clear majority.....not through manipulation but through the sheer incompetence and disfunction of the Liberal Party.....and the NDP may very well jump ahead of the Liberals. Quote Back to Basics
punked Posted October 4, 2009 Report Posted October 4, 2009 He promised to have a policy book by Jun. It is now October. Is that the kinda of leadership we want for Canada. The NDP has a policy book, and a Plan. The policy book is close to 300 pages long the plan is shorter and easier to digest and puts forward the big issues. It is really just sad for the Liberal party they never should have voted to forgo all policy at convention to let Iggy handle it all, would never fly at an NDP convention that is where ideas become real. Quote
Smallc Posted October 4, 2009 Report Posted October 4, 2009 He promised to have a policy book by Jun. It is now October. He never promised to show you. That's where you keep getting confused. Quote
dlkenny Posted October 4, 2009 Report Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) I browse the 3 Federalist political party websites daily as a small hobby of mine. The way I see it it's a smart idea to know what the opposition is up to and what their plans are for Canada.I go the Tory Website and I see they have a section clearly labeled "POLICY" and under it I may find all the details about what it is the would like to do in specific areas. Next I go to the NDP website and am greeted by the ever smiling Jack Layton...and what's this...a section labeled "PLAN" and under it I find a litany of information pertaining to issues they have and how they'd like to see them addressed and how they plan to go about doing that. I don't agree with many of their ideals but hey at least they have proven that they stand for something and have a plan on how they would like to go about achieving those goals...fair enough. Lastly I come upon the Liberal website and I must say it looks much better then it used to and I like the new logo better than the old one however it seems to be devoid of any mention of any policy or plan they may have for Canada. I find this extremely odd for a party that has been pushing so hard for an election to not have any solid plan or policy in place. I re-check the headings labeled as follows... * Michael Ignatieff *Team * Party Central *Newsroom * Get Involved *Contribute I figure there has to be some mistake and double then triple check under all the heading listed above searching for any trace of a policy or plan. I couldn't find one at all. I'm led to ask the next question. What do the Liberals stand for? What is there plan for Canada and how do they plan to get there? The Conservative Party and the NDP both have clearly laid out plans for Canada. Where is the Liberal Party led by Micheal Ignatieff's plan? Is there a Liberal hidden agenda? It would immediately seem so as I don't see any mention of Plan or Policy so it's hidden from public view...why I ask..why hide it from Canadians Michael Ignatieff? I did the same thing. By the way, the conservatives have only added that policy section recently. I was one of the people who wrote in asking about CPC policy going forward because their website seemed to show a lack of vision also. I got a letter back from my MP saying that he'd received a number of similar suggestions and I'm pleased to see that they've addressed this issue. That said, you're right about the Liberals...they have no vision whatsoever and cling to this idea that Canadians should trust them to do the right thing. This idea that they're the "natural governing party" and that they'll win an election simply because Canadians trust them is wrong. Canadians (including myself) don't inherently trust any politician of any stripe; they all stretch the truth, they all get caught in scandals, they all make mistakes. In reality it's unhealthy for the country to have an opposition with no vision for what they want to see accomplished. We cannot have healthy debate without the opposition having a clear view of what they stand for. At this point it doesn't matter whether the liberals agree with something the CPC does, or whether the legislation is good for the country...simply that it comes from the CPC at all is reason enough to oppose it. To average Canadians that makes no sense at all. Edited October 4, 2009 by dlkenny Quote If you understand, no explanation necessary. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.
punked Posted October 4, 2009 Report Posted October 4, 2009 He never promised to show you. That's where you keep getting confused. Yah all Canadians love those "hidden plans" seems like that was a Liberal talking point on Harper for a long long time. Quote
munsinger Posted October 4, 2009 Report Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) What we now see is the direct result of the Liberal Party, since Martin ... spending years on the "quick fix", as opposed to redefining policy, revamping their funding, connecting to their grassroots, and having ongoing input and debate on party leadership. As a result.....the well is totally empty, with a "appointed" leader, vague promises, and total lack of ideas. Harper has now been in power, long enough that the ole "Hidden agenda" and "troops in the streets" ..... simply will not cut it anymore. Ignatieff's inexperience is really beginning to show, lately...and there are not enough people around him... willing to conceed that the emperor wears no clothes and that the party simply cannot "do better" Edited October 4, 2009 by munsinger Quote
xul Posted October 4, 2009 Report Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) If they dump Ignatieff in the next year - then Harper should force an election. It's not just opportunism. The result would better reflect the will of the electorate. Those who voted Liberal did not vote for a party that dumped two leaders - they voted for Dion. Those voters deserve to have their voices heard. I think that if the Liberals dump Ignatieff, the public will give Harper a clear majority.....not through manipulation but through the sheer incompetence and disfunction of the Liberal Party.....and the NDP may very well jump ahead of the Liberals. I'm not sure. If Harper has not been prototyped or has not prototyped himself as a stubborn right wing leader, it may be possible to draw some votes from those who want to take middle ground. But since these part of voters have no choice, I mean they fear Harper's ideology more than they fear Harper's policy, they will still vote for the Liberal Party regardless who is its leader and how he or she is incompetent. In any case, I agree that NDP will gain a lot from the liberals's situation. Edited October 4, 2009 by xul Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 5, 2009 Author Report Posted October 5, 2009 The Ignatieff plan is to smear the PM and the Tory party in general to deflect attention away from the fact that they have no real plan. Short video of Ignatieffs plan Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
madmax Posted October 5, 2009 Report Posted October 5, 2009 National Post pokes fun at Liberal Strategy. http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...trust-oops.aspx Yes the NP is the Mouthpiece of the CPC, but there is a lining of truth on how the LPC steered themselves into this mess. Quote
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