wyly Posted September 12, 2009 Report Posted September 12, 2009 It's funny how every national government on Earth; right wing, left wing, centrist, royalist, democratic, theocracy, dictatorship, every single one of them believes they need a military for a variety of purposes.Oh if only they were as enlightened as you! every national government, every single one ???? you need to crack a book more often... countries without a military-Costa Rica, Andorra, San Marino, Haiti, Liechtenstein, Mauritis, Palua, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Grenada, Nauru, Dominica, Samoa, St Lucia, Tuvalu...apparently there are a few as enlightened as me Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
M.Dancer Posted September 12, 2009 Report Posted September 12, 2009 every national government, every single one ???? you need to crack a book more often... countries without a military-Costa Rica, Andorra, San Marino, Haiti, Liechtenstein, Mauritis, Palua, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Grenada, Nauru, Dominica, Samoa, St Lucia, Tuvalu...apparently there are a few as enlightened as me To be fair, a few of those once had militaries but disbanded them for various reasons.....like Grenada Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
wyly Posted September 12, 2009 Report Posted September 12, 2009 (edited) To be fair, a few of those once had militaries but disbanded them for various reasons.....like Grenadaand Costa Rica as well but that hardly matters these are countries that realize a miltary is a waste of time and money no one is going to invade them other than the odd crazed ultra nationist or imperialist nation like Nazi Germany, Japan or the USA... and if that were going to happen there is nothing they can do to stop it regardless...police, customs and fishery patrols is all they neeed...and the only country Canada need fear is the USA and we're incapable of stopping them so why bother with an inifectual make believe military, if all these Canadians want to play soldier let them join the French Foreign Legion or the US military... Edited September 12, 2009 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 12, 2009 Report Posted September 12, 2009 and Costa Rica as well but that hardly matters these are countries that realize a miltary is a waste of time and money no one is going to invade them other than the odd crazed ultra nationist or imperialist nation like Nazi Germany, Japan or the USA... or Canada....see the "invasion" of Haiti in 2004 to overthrow a democratically elected government. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted September 12, 2009 Report Posted September 12, 2009 or Canada....see the "invasion" of Haiti in 2004 to overthrow a democratically elected government. You seem to remember all those small forgotten indiscretions! Hey bud...it's only a democratic government when the west says so..If a bunch of tribesmen get together and agreee that Abdul is going to be leader and thousands of other will be under his rule who did not "vote" well that's a type of a democracy - stuffing ballot boxes is democratic also - we do it by stuffing media with hacks and talking heads...I just love the idea of some young student going on about democracy, as if it was something holy.. It is always dictatorship ...democracy is dictatorship with a lot of highly orgainized theartre. Quote
nicky10013 Posted September 12, 2009 Report Posted September 12, 2009 You seem to remember all those small forgotten indiscretions! Hey bud...it's only a democratic government when the west says so..If a bunch of tribesmen get together and agreee that Abdul is going to be leader and thousands of other will be under his rule who did not "vote" well that's a type of a democracy - stuffing ballot boxes is democratic also - we do it by stuffing media with hacks and talking heads...I just love the idea of some young student going on about democracy, as if it was something holy.. It is always dictatorship ...democracy is dictatorship with a lot of highly orgainized theartre. You should really go to school and learn something about politics. I did, it was great! No one claims democracy to be perfect (well, maybe some Americans). It's the best we have right now. Dictators is an individual in which all legislative, judicial and political power lie and whom can't be overthrown through nominal political means. Someone has to have power in any given political system. Our power is vested among elected officials and we have the ability to kick them out. I recommend U of T. Great school. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 ....Our power is vested among elected officials and we have the ability to kick them out. Unless the Governor General says otherwise....tsk...tsk. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 Unless the Governor General says otherwise....tsk...tsk. Look at your nominated supreme court latino girl - she wants to pass a law where corporations can hand over as much money as they want to support a candidate during an election - say goodbye democracy and hello private dictatorial rule! Hey don't pick on the GG - the royal family still own the estate...best security is not existing - or being a mere figurehead.. Quote
Argus Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) every national government, every single one ???? you need to crack a book more often... countries without a military-Costa Rica, Andorra, San Marino, Haiti, Liechtenstein, Mauritis, Palua, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Grenada, Nauru, Dominica, Samoa, St Lucia, Tuvalu...apparently there are a few as enlightened as me The only one of those that's a real country is Costa Rica, and there are special circumstances which are behind it's abolition of its military - and its ability to get along without one. Point remains - all those nations all over the world, including the neutralist ones like Sweden, Switzerland, Austria and Finland have always felt that their sovereignty needed to be backed up by the military. Do you really think you have the right take on things - as opposed to the several hundred world governments over the last forty or fifty years which have felt otherwise? Edited September 13, 2009 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
wyly Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 The only one of those that's a real country is Costa Rica, and there are special circumstances which are behind it's abolition of its military - and its ability to get along without one.Point remains - all those nations all over the world, including the neutralist ones like Sweden, Switzerland, Austria and Finland have always felt that their sovereignty needed to be backed up by the military. I was right and you were wrong when you said "every single country" ...and you're wrong again, they are real countries... Do you really think you have the right take on things - as opposed to the several hundred world governments over the last forty or fifty years which have felt otherwise? and 20% of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth and our PM 10 months ago told us there would be a slight surplus and no recession, that the war in Afghanistan was winnable, CO2 has no effect on the atmosphere...which proves a lot of people including governments are wrong, just like you were with "every single country" Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 or Canada....see the "invasion" of Haiti in 2004 to overthrow a democratically elected government. the government(Aristide) had collapsed and left due to an internal revolution Canada came in with UN sanctioning not an invasion that deposed the government, it was already gone.... whether it was actually a US backed coup that brought about the downfall of Aristide is another matter Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) the government(Aristide) had collapsed and left due to an internal revolution Canada came in with UN sanctioning not an invasion that deposed the government, it was already gone.... whether it was actually a US backed coup that brought about the downfall of Aristide is another matter Oh.....I see...whenever Canada conspires with the USA and France to do such things it is OK because of the UN. Deposing elected governments is not imperialism when Canada helps to do it. LOL ! Edited September 13, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 Oh.....I see...whenever Canada conspires with the USA and France to do such things it is OK because of the UN. Deposing elected governments is not imperialism when Canada helps to do it. LOL ! well until you can actually prove that you're blowing smoke, there is no link between Canada and the rebellion, the government collapsed before any troops entered Haiti, two days before Canadians arrived...unless you have evidence that proves otherwise Canada was part of a UN mission to restore order...I've no sympathy for imperialism by any country even my own so you're wasting your time if think that I'd try to defend it... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 ...I've no sympathy for imperialism by any country even my own so you're wasting your time if think that I'd try to defend it... Then don't defend it as you are doing.....pretty simple. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 I was right and you were wrong when you said "every single country" ...and you're wrong again, they are real countries.. A country with a total population which is less than the population of the Canadian military does not qualify as a real country. .which proves a lot of people including governments are wrong, just like you were with "every single country" In your opinion, but I've seen nothing to suggest your opinion should be held in such esteem that it outweighs the calculated judgment of several hundred world governments. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
nicky10013 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 A country with a total population which is less than the population of the Canadian military does not qualify as a real country. In your opinion thats what a country is. The legal definition of a country is a state with boundaries and a monopoly on violence with a government and an apparatus that provides services to its people. Quote
wyly Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 A country with a total population which is less than the population of the Canadian military does not qualify as a real country.how completely arbitrary where did you find that definition the Argus Book of Unknown Facts according to Argus? who would've geussed the definition of a country was decided by the size Cnada's military...how about we arbitrarily set the definition of country at those of 50million plus, oops that would leave out Canada...there have been suggestions Canada doesn't belong in the G8 because even California has a greater GDP than all of Canada, lets use California's GDP as a cutoff?... a number of those countries have a populations greater than our military so once again you are ..wrong..but no, countries are defined by those posted by Nicky...and generally those who have membership at the UN and even tiny Nauru has that...imagine that Canada pop 30million has 1 vote, tiny Nauru pop 16,000 has....1 vote In your opinion, but I've seen nothing to suggest your opinion should be held in such esteem that it outweighs the calculated judgment of several hundred world governments. at one time the calculated judgment of governments believed slavery was OK, as was Imperialism ...not long ago the calculated judgment of most governments denied women the vote... 50 years ago it was still the calculated judgment of the USA government to still deny blacks the vote...so my opinion is valid and very likely right... and you are wrong again... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) ... 50 years ago it was still the calculated judgment of the USA government to still deny blacks the vote...so my opinion is valid and very likely right...and you are wrong again... No...you are wrong...at least for this specific false claim. The "USA" federal government did not enjoin such a policy, and neither did a majority of states. Black male land owners have been voting from the beginning. You need only look at home (in Canada) for a fine record of denying both federal and provincial voting franchises into the 1960's. Edited September 13, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 No...you are wrong...at least for this specific false claim. The "USA" federal government did not enjoin such a policy, and neither did a majority of states. Black male land owners have been voting from the beginning. sorry I'm not wrong...you can't claim voting equality by the few early exceptions , it has to be measured by when the last obstacles are cleared and all gained the right to vote... Congress passes the Voting Rights Act of 1965, making it easier for Southern blacks to register to vote. Literacy tests, poll taxes, and other such requirements that were used to restrict black voting are made illegal. Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 sorry I'm not wrong...you can't claim voting equality by the few early exceptions , it has to be measured by when the last obstacles are cleared and all gained the right to vote... Sorry, but you are mistaken....this happens a lot when invoking a foreign history you don't understand while ignoring the same examples in your own nation. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) Then don't defend it as you are doing.....pretty simple. why would I defend something that has not happened, and you have no evidence for...this like having a murder trial with no body, no weapon , no evidence, no witnesses and the victim is still alive... Edited September 13, 2009 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) why would I defend something that has not happened, and you have no evidence for...this like having a murder trial with no body, no weapon , no evidence, no witnesses and the victim is still alive... Are you serious? Canada, by its very existence, represents "imperialism", as does its historical efforts to preserve and protect the "Empire". God Save the Queen. Edited September 13, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 how completely arbitrary where did you find that definition the Argus Book of Unknown Facts according to Argus? No, just common sense. So far most of your postings seem to be relatively free of that, though, so I'm guessing it's something of a puzzling concept to you. ..imagine that Canada pop 30million has 1 vote, tiny Nauru pop 16,000 has....1 vote Yes, pretty stupid. That's one of the reasons why the UN is such a screwed up organization that few take seriously. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
whowhere Posted September 13, 2009 Report Posted September 13, 2009 at one time the calculated judgment of governments believed slavery was OK, as was Imperialism ...not long ago the calculated judgment of most governments denied women the vote... 50 years ago it was still the calculated judgment of the USA government to still deny blacks the vote...so my opinion is valid and very likely right... There is a good historical movie put out in the 1960 => The Fall of the Roman Empire (1964) Rome was an empire of a thousand years it became that empire by conquering and enslavement. Basically, the Roman went into a country extracted its wealth and enslaved the people to send back farming and manufactured goods. However, the people had the opportunity to advance out of slavery and become Roman Citizens with a right to vote. Figure it out, Rome Endured for a 1000 years on this successful model. Rome Collapsed because it made everyone a citizen with equal rights to vote and Christianity infected the lower populace like a Cancer which ultimately collapsed Rome and led to Christian Europe centered around the Vatican. Christian Europe was brought to its knees and abolished by the Establishment of the United States and the Rise of Napoleon. The End of the Religious Grip on Europe has been Solidified with the Establishment of the European Union. The World has two World thought Powers anchored from the Roman Empire: The United States and the European Union. If you people honestly believe you are entitled, think again. Quote Job 40 (King James Version) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
wyly Posted September 14, 2009 Report Posted September 14, 2009 No, just common sense. So far most of your postings seem to be relatively free of that, though, so I'm guessing it's something of a puzzling concept to you.my posts contain actual facts ...yours contain facts that you invent, complete fantasies...Yes, pretty stupid. That's one of the reasons why the UN is such a screwed up organization that few take seriously. anything but admit you're WRONG!!! Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
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