Obama's message to Students

[Pliny]

Well, apparently you can write your own destiny in America but if you want to be a rapper or basketball player it's probably not going to happen.

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[Oleg Bach]

Well, apparently you can write your own destiny in America but if you want to be a rapper or basketball player it's probably not going to happen.

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Obama wants to continue with policy and put the kids in a state of dellusion real early. Staying in school guarentees one thing. That once you are finished you will be compliant, obedient and conditioned to accept every lie that government and the rich elite have to offer you. Obama like all leaders, has one primary motivation, that is to continue with the current state of affairs....even if it means sucking young people into joining the military so the high end hooligans have muscle to plunder with.

[Pliny]

Yep. Barack plays parent and lectures students on importance of education. I think the message is - "I can make anybody believe anything I say! I don't know why but people just listen to me and obey. It's great. I am great!"

Well, let's face it. He is not only running the country, he is running the Auto manufacturers, Wall Street and he wants to take over running health care too, - he must be great.

[kimmy]

Well, apparently you can write your own destiny in America but if you want to be a rapper or basketball player it's probably not going to happen.

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You'd have him tell kids that becoming a rapper or basketball player are realistic career plans?

Do think he should go around telling kids to buy lottery tickets instead of staying in school? Because statistically, "lottery winner" is a much better bet than "rap music star" or "pro basketball player".

Staying in school guarentees one thing. That once you are finished you will be compliant, obedient and conditioned to accept every lie that government and the rich elite have to offer you.

And what are you, the alternative?

One surefire way Obama could get kids to stay in school would be to tour the country with Oleg Bach and say "kids, if you quit school, you could turn out like my buddy Oleg here."

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[Pliny]

You'd have him tell kids that becoming a rapper or basketball player are realistic career plans?

For some they are. It isn't like they don't exist. Should he also say never mind thinking about being President of the United States? Is that a realistic career plan? Obama sort of just lucked in I guess, it couldn't have been out of any sort of design. Perhaps that's how we all fall into our niche. Just luck, being in the right place at the right time. Now how does that happen? Or should we all just recognize we are lesser beings and put our nose to the grindstone seeking some position as a cog in the great socio-economic society as engineered by the President?

Do think he should go around telling kids to buy lottery tickets instead of staying in school? Because statistically, "lottery winner" is a much better bet than "rap music star" or "pro basketball player".

-k

The responsibility of parents is often undermined by teachers and the responsibility of teachers is often undermined by parents. Government undermines the responsibility of both. Students, not being as stupid as the State thinks, wind up listening to no one.

It was a nice little talk, wasn't it? I think Obama really cares and was being a good Mommy. Unfortunately, he wants to build a world he envisions for everyone. Not unlike where the lion lies down with the lamb.

[kimmy]

For some they are. It isn't like they don't exist. Should he also say never mind thinking about being President of the United States? Is that a realistic career plan? Obama sort of just lucked in I guess, it couldn't have been out of any sort of design. Perhaps that's how we all fall into our niche. Just luck, being in the right place at the right time. Now how does that happen? Or should we all just recognize we are lesser beings and put our nose to the grindstone seeking some position as a cog in the great socio-economic society as engineered by the President?

You know, even if the Presidency thing just hadn't worked out for Obama, he was still a senator. And an author. And a college professor. And a guy who was involved in local politics. And even without any of that, he still had that law degree to fall back on.

Even if the guy had just taken his degree and become a fricken lawyer, he'd still be a successful man by any reasonable standard.

Would you say for the same for some dumb-ass who wants to become a rap musician, fails, and operates the deep fat fryer at McDonald's?

Seems to me that the "staying in school" thing provided Mr Obama with a whole lot of options in life that would have served him well whatever path he'd chose. I wouldn't bank on the same for some self-styled hoops star imagines he's going to become one of the less-than-600 players in the NBA, but doesn't make it.

Given the odds, I think having a back-up plan makes sense. Having a highschool diploma, at minimum, is probably pretty key to having some alternatives if the whole hoopz or rap supastah thing doesn't pan out.

-k

[Pliny]

You know, even if the Presidency thing just hadn't worked out for Obama, he was still a senator. And an author. And a college professor. And a guy who was involved in local politics. And even without any of that, he still had that law degree to fall back on.

Even if the guy had just taken his degree and become a fricken lawyer, he'd still be a successful man by any reasonable standard.

Would you say for the same for some dumb-ass who wants to become a rap musician, fails, and operates the deep fat fryer at McDonald's?

Seems to me that the "staying in school" thing provided Mr Obama with a whole lot of options in life that would have served him well whatever path he'd chose. I wouldn't bank on the same for some self-styled hoops star imagines he's going to become one of the less-than-600 players in the NBA, but doesn't make it.

Given the odds, I think having a back-up plan makes sense. Having a highschool diploma, at minimum, is probably pretty key to having some alternatives if the whole hoopz or rap supastah thing doesn't pan out.

-k

Yes. We must all prepare for failure, kimmy.

I can assure you that no one without the talent is going to strive to become what they already know they never want to become. They may wish or dream and may even reach some amateurish level of accomplishment if they choose to indulge themselves in such pursuits but do you believe they have no concept of themselves?.

Students would have to have no concept of themselves whatsoever to pursue such aspirations, and I am inclined to think public education today may contribute to that by building self esteem without merit and instilling a concept of entitlement in students, in order to live in their dreamworld of becoming basketball players and rap stars. They are streamed through the system, and while most will be able to parrot what is necessary to graduation; some won't, but never fear they shall pass anyway so their feelings aren't hurt. And it may be those failures are the intelligent ones anyway since they are not glib automatons spitting back what the teachers and intellectuals desire to hear. The bright ones learn that being an automaton is what is required of them early on and know how to play the system while they do some actual thinking about the means to improve themselves and carve out a rewarding place in society according to their talents and desires.

No. Barack Obama's socialist concept is what drives him. Nice fellow and all that but please....spare the nation the Father knows Best lectures where we must be little robots and are too stupid and irresponsible to be able to figure out we can't all be basketball players and rap "supahstahs".

[GostHacked]

Yes. We must all prepare for failure, kimmy.

I agree. Always have a back up plan.

I can assure you that no one without the talent is going to strive to become what they already know they never want to become. They may wish or dream and may even reach some amateurish level of accomplishment if they choose to indulge themselves in such pursuits but do you believe they have no concept of themselves?.

Some people don't. Some people think they are going to be the greatest 'thing' like a musician, sports player ect. All the will and drive is there, but they could just lack all skill. But yet they puruse that goal, ultimately setting themselves up for failure. They have spent all their time and energy into something that just will never work out for them. So yeah, have a back up plan, well those who know themselves always have a back up plan.

Students would have to have no concept of themselves whatsoever to pursue such aspirations, and I am inclined to think public education today may contribute to that by building self esteem without merit and instilling a concept of entitlement in students, in order to live in their dreamworld of becoming basketball players and rap stars.

This is where that policy of no child left behind fails. Some kids should be failed. If you constantly give breaks to those kids, like passing them to the next grade when it is not deserved or earned, then you create this environment of entitlement.

They are streamed through the system, and while most will be able to parrot what is necessary to graduation; some won't, but never fear they shall pass anyway so their feelings aren't hurt. And it may be those failures are the intelligent ones anyway since they are not glib automatons spitting back what the teachers and intellectuals desire to hear. The bright ones learn that being an automaton is what is required of them early on and know how to play the system while they do some actual thinking about the means to improve themselves and carve out a rewarding place in society according to their talents and desires.

Agreed agreed.

No. Barack Obama's socialist concept is what drives him. Nice fellow and all that but please....spare the nation the Father knows Best lectures where we must be little robots and are too stupid and irresponsible to be able to figure out we can't all be basketball players and rap "supahstahs".

We can't all be basketball stars. That is the truth. This is why people need a back up plan. During highschool I was told to be interested in a couple fields at the same time, because there is the possibility that one will not work out for me. But I never even developed a back up plan untill I was 30. Better late than never I guess.

[daniel]

I agree. Always have a back up plan.

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It's called the military. If too many kids stay in school, there'll be less joining the army.

[Martin]

You guys hate on Obama too much. He's trying his best.

[Moonlight Graham]

Well, let's face it. He is not only running the country, he is running the Auto manufacturers, Wall Street and he wants to take over running health care too, - he must be great.

To his credit, the auto manufacturers, Wall Street, and health care sector have been performing horrifically to the point of collapse (not really the case with health care, but it still is doing poorly).

[jdobbin]

Even if the guy had just taken his degree and become a fricken lawyer, he'd still be a successful man by any reasonable standard.

However, for some he will still be a Kenyan Muslim Socialist sleeper agent.

[Pliny]

However, for some he will still be a Kenyan Muslim Socialist sleeper agent.

Hmmm....never thought of that. Thanks for planting the seeds of a conspiracy. I'll get right on it - or would I be stepping on your toes?

[Pliny]

To his credit, the auto manufacturers, Wall Street, and health care sector have been performing horrifically to the point of collapse (not really the case with health care, but it still is doing poorly).

So everything is peachy now?

The appointment of un-vetted czars, who appear to be left wing zealots, is a bit at odds with his purported more central, non-partisan stand.

Although, there are some positive indicators in the economy as a direct result of Obama's policies, they will eventually turn south, probably within the next six months. I would say it would be sooner but the Fed may be able to prop things up for another half a year. Unemployment has slowed, if the statistics are correct, but the trend hasn't reversed any and employment is one of the more important indicators of the direction of an economy.