jdobbin Posted September 5, 2009 Author Report Posted September 5, 2009 Huh? I thought you guys wanted him to 'work with others' and 'compromise' etc. etc. WE have seen that Tories don't want to do that. Do you think a 'no deficit' budget would have passed in the house? If Harper had tried to pass a 'no deficit' budget, the coalition would have implemented their own deficit budget - and once the national child care program, the national unemployment payments program, the national pension insurance program, etc. etc. were included, the deficit would have been much closer to Obama's numbers... Do you think if the Harper government had kept their own promises on spending that they made every election. Quote
Alta4ever Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 So if Ignatieff isn't going to raise taxes what will he cut from the budget? Which social programs will he cut since he has also said he will not reduce transfer payments. Will it be DND spending or will it be social programs? The Question is what is going to cut? If he isn't going to cut anything and isn't going to raise taxes, then one would expect that the he won't be able to cut the deficit either. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jbg Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 The Question is what is going to cut? If he isn't going to cut anything and isn't going to raise taxes, then one would expect that the he won't be able to cut the deficit either.Maybe run a counterfeiting operation? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 So if Ignatieff isn't going to raise taxes what will he cut from the budget? Which social programs will he cut since he has also said he will not reduce transfer payments. Will it be DND spending or will it be social programs?The Question is what is going to cut? If he isn't going to cut anything and isn't going to raise taxes, then one would expect that the he won't be able to cut the deficit either. so what's the Harper Conservatives plan to reduce/eliminate the deficit? Quote
Alta4ever Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 so what's the Harper Conservatives plan to reduce/eliminate the deficit? sorry not good enough if Ignatieff thinks he has better plan it better be laid out, this is about what ignatieff is saying, not harper. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jbg Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 sorry not good enough if Ignatieff thinks he has better plan it better be laid out, this is about what ignatieff is saying, not harper. No, it's Nixon's secret plan to end the Viet Nam war. Stayed secret until his death and journey to hell. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 sorry not good enough if Ignatieff thinks he has better plan it better be laid out, this is about what ignatieff is saying, not harper. a better plan? Better than what? One actually needs to have a Harper Conservative plan - in hand - to provide that treatment you desire. Hey brother... can you spare that apparently non-existent Harper Conservative plan to reduce/eliminate the deficit... the plan no one is supposed to ask for/about Quote
Smallc Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 I think some people on here need to learn to lighten up a little. First, I'm not going to agree with you about Harris, because he was terrible as far as I'm concerned, and second, I was joking about the six people thing. Quote
Jack Weber Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 (edited) a better plan? Better than what? One actually needs to have a Harper Conservative plan - in hand - to provide that treatment you desire. Hey brother... can you spare that apparently non-existent Harper Conservative plan to reduce/eliminate the deficit... the plan no one is supposed to ask for/about We'll get our "Economist in a Submarine's" plan probably about a week before we go to the polls.It'll have lot's of full page pictures of NCC Stevie smiling with an army helmet on and hanging out of a helicopter or with a hard hat on at construction sites.It'll have BIG PRINT SO IT'LL BE EASY TO READ.Thiz WiL ALoW ThE BUMPr sTKeR sLOGaN sLuRpErZ tO unDertAnD tEh mSSaJ BeDEr... I see the great free marketeering plan of tax cuts(aka. trickle down economics ) and a serious slashing of transfer payments from Stevie.This will kill two(2) birds with one stone.Con nirvana of tax cuts plus indirectly forcing a potential privatization binge by the provinces because they wo'nt have the funds necessary to keep certain things public. Edited September 5, 2009 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Alta4ever Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 (edited) a better plan? Better than what? One actually needs to have a Harper Conservative plan - in hand - to provide that treatment you desire. Hey brother... can you spare that apparently non-existent Harper Conservative plan to reduce/eliminate the deficit... the plan no one is supposed to ask for/about What does ignatieff plan to do? This thread is about Ignatieff, I want clarification on what he is going to do since he will not increease taxes what will he cut? Edited September 5, 2009 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 He'll cut something other than transfers...probably everything else. Quote
Alta4ever Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 He'll cut something other than transfers...probably everything else. So ignatieff may cut social programs and you will be ok with that? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 We'll have to get rid of the deficit again at some point, preferably soon after the start of normal growth. Quote
Alta4ever Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 We'll have to get rid of the deficit again at some point, preferably soon after the start of normal growth. So I'll take that as a yes you would support a liberal cutting social programs. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
waldo Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 so what's the Harper Conservatives plan to reduce/eliminate the deficit?sorry not good enough if Ignatieff thinks he has better plan it better be laid out, this is about what ignatieff is saying, not harper.a better plan? Better than what? One actually needs to have a Harper Conservative plan - in hand - to provide that treatment you desire. Hey brother... can you spare that apparently non-existent Harper Conservative plan to reduce/eliminate the deficit... the plan no one is supposed to ask for/about What does ignatieff plan to do? This thread is about Ignatieff, I want clarification on what he is going to do since he will not increease taxes what will he cut? your assistance is required, as requested, to provide details of the Harper Conservatives plan to reduce/eliminate the deficit... for some reason... you are hesitant to support efforts to meet your betterment terms clarification request. In failing to provide any semblance of Harper Conservative plan, I accept your unconditional surrender from this discussion/thread Quote
Alta4ever Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 your assistance is required, as requested, to provide details of the Harper Conservatives plan to reduce/eliminate the deficit... for some reason... you are hesitant to support efforts to meet your betterment terms clarification request. In failing to provide any semblance of Harper Conservative plan, I accept your unconditional surrender from this discussion/thread This thread is about Ignatieff not Harper and the fact that you have nothing to offer and neither does ignatieff proves that you and he have nothing it is just posturing. If you want to see what Haper is planning or doing all one has to do is look at the press releases that the government has put out on what is going to do to make the deficit temporary. Ignatieff has offered nothing but bluster, so I will take your refusal to anser the question of what Ignatieff will cut as an admission that the liberals have no plan, just hot air. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
justme Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 Which other countries? So far I've found two, and both had ships in the area at the time....we sometimes do, and sometimes don't. We didn't then. We also had the largest number of people to evacuate of western countries. India Italy Turkey United Kingdom United States Canada usually sends out a frigate or two, which is the smallest ship you can send out on international operations. Why not have a couple groups that can be sent out of say a couple frigates each, a command ship like the JSS or a small aircraft carrier and a sub? That'd be a grand total of 8 ships that can work together in a couple groups in hot spots. Then, have a group on each coast of Canada that is a bit larger. Surely Canada can keep a navy of about 30 ships up to date without running the risk of becoming too militaristic. True, Canada had the most people to evacuate, and while they found the Canadian response disgusting, quite frankly, I found them disgusting. They stayed in Canada just long enough to get citizenship and then moved back to Lebanon. Then, when they find themselves in a war zone, suddenly they rediscover their Canadian citizenship. After complaining about the Canadian government not getting them back to Canada fast enough, thousands of them stayed in Canada only long enough for the bombs to stop dropping and went back to Lebanon AGAIN. If they want to live in Lebanon so bad that they'll move back there after being lucky enough to escape a war zone, it's obvious where their loyalty is and what citizenship they should have. Quote “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.” –Theodore Roosevelt “The symptoms of dying civilizations are well known. The death of faith; the degeneration of morals; contempt for the old values; collapse of the culture; paralysis of the will, but the two certain symptoms that a civilization has begun to die are a declining population and foreign invasions no longer resisted.” – Patrick J. Buchanan "Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide. Its ideas pursued to their logical end will prove fatal to the West." -- James Burnham
justme Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 Actually it was under Mike Harris (PC). Remember the Common Sense Revolution and John Snobelen's "Create a crisis" remark? And then there's that crazy funding formula. And when the provincial government has less money to work with, what do you think is going to happen? Increased spending? Crap rolls downhill. Quote “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.” –Theodore Roosevelt “The symptoms of dying civilizations are well known. The death of faith; the degeneration of morals; contempt for the old values; collapse of the culture; paralysis of the will, but the two certain symptoms that a civilization has begun to die are a declining population and foreign invasions no longer resisted.” – Patrick J. Buchanan "Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide. Its ideas pursued to their logical end will prove fatal to the West." -- James Burnham
Keepitsimple Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 your assistance is required, as requested, to provide details of the Harper Conservatives plan to reduce/eliminate the deficit... for some reason... you are hesitant to support efforts to meet your betterment terms clarification request. In failing to provide any semblance of Harper Conservative plan, I accept your unconditional surrender from this discussion/thread The plan is there - most of the deficit reduction will come through economic growth causing an increase in revenues. I'm not asking you should beieve it. But since that's the only way to do it if Ignatieff is not going to raise taxes or cut transfers - that means he's going to propose exactly what the Conservatives propose - he's going to "grow his way out of deficit".......and once again, the Liberals will do exactly what the Conservatives are doing....and once again, people will ask "Why are we having an election again....?". We all know why.......MIchael wants his crown or he's going back home to Harvard. Quote Back to Basics
jdobbin Posted September 5, 2009 Author Report Posted September 5, 2009 (edited) The plan is there - most of the deficit reduction will come through economic growth causing an increase in revenues. You do realize that corporate revenues were riding at an all time high during the boom. And that boom as we now know we built on a foundation of sand. I don't think that we can expect that type of explosive growth in revenue to cut the entire deficit. I also don't know any economists aside from Harper who believes he doesn't have to do a thing but wait for the deficit to end of its own. Edited September 5, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
Argus Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 The links was from a few months ago not a day ago. He was answering a hypothetical question which we talked about at the time. So he was saying tax increases were unavoidable back before an election seemed imminent. But now that he wants to force an election he's saying there won't be any new taxes. Have I got that right? And what will he say after the election? "I won't raise your taxes, but I won't lower them either," A solemn Dalton McGuinty in his campaign ads. He even signed the promise before the cameras, promising that if there was some unforeseen emergency which required tax increases he'd hold a referendum first. His first budget contained taxes increases of up to $900 per person. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 so what's the Harper Conservatives plan to reduce/eliminate the deficit? Why? We're not discussing plans. The Liberals have not introduced any plans. We're discussing what seems to be a rather bald faced lie from Ignatieff. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
punked Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 Why? We're not discussing plans. The Liberals have not introduced any plans. We're discussing what seems to be a rather bald faced lie from Ignatieff. That is the thing you come out and promises this I want to know about it. Give me something. Quote
Argus Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 IndiaItaly Turkey United Kingdom United States The two largest navies in the world, two nations which are actually in the medditeranian, and India, a country of a billion people. Canada usually sends out a frigate or two, which is the smallest ship you can send out on international operations. And about the only ships we have. Why not have a couple groups that can be sent out of say a couple frigates each, a command ship like the JSS or a small aircraft carrier and a sub? That'd be a grand total of 8 ships that can work together in a couple groups in hot spots. Then, have a group on each coast of Canada that is a bit larger. Surely Canada can keep a navy of about 30 ships up to date without running the risk of becoming too militaristic. We don't have the ships, and no one has any plans to build such ships. In fact, last year the Liberal finance critic, destined to be finance minister in any Liberal government, said he would be cutting money from the military. He didn't say it openly, of course. He said it in a secret conference call with Liberals which someone taped. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Keepitsimple Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 (edited) You do realize that corporate revenues were riding at an all time high during the boom. And that boom as we now know we built on a foundation of sand. I don't think that we can expect that type of explosive growth in revenue to cut the entire deficit. I also don't know any economists aside from Harper who believes he doesn't have to do a thing but wait for the deficit to end of its own. As I said, I don't expect many to believe that economic growth alone will fairly quickly get us out of deficit.....but if Mr. Ignatieff is not going to raise taxes, not going to cut transfers, and not going to cut programs.......then his "solution" is going to be remarkably like the Conservatives - isn't it? Let's put aside the usual "we'll find efficiences"......Dobbin - do you see any magical solution outside those parameters? Edited September 5, 2009 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
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