madmax Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Look at the city state of Toronto - totally right wing extremists run the place - under the guise of socialism. The left went so far left that they popped out on the right side. They in effect cross the floor - Politial ambition has no princlples - If you were to privately ask Jack Layton to abandon his Marxist ideals - and he could be PM - He would take the offer. 1st you'd have to get Jack to be a Marxist....2nd... um, PM.... he doesn't have Marxists Ideals and that hasn't changed the fact he didn't win enough seats to become PM. Any Marxists goes red with the mention of the NDP as either a left wing party or a bunch of Marxists. Marxists don't get elected anywhere as IIRC getting less then 100 votes in a riding doesn't go a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 One might forgive Manitobans if they seem slightly smug these days. That is always a dangerous thing to do. There have been some bruising lay-offs in the last days. The outside world can't be ignored and our manufacturers are being hurt by the dollar and the recession. I won't even go into the problems the weather will cause to the crop this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Manitoba added 57 doctors last year. We're finally approaching the national average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Sure they are.....I believe the only Province to run a balanced budget during this recession IIRC??? They have to by law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 They have to by law. So did BC but they changed the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 So did BC but they changed the law. NDP changed the law too, but in a different way. They just made it so that they could move spending off the books, and only have to report a truly balanced budget every 4 years. Then they went out and raided Manitoba Hydro to finance their sleight of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 NDP changed the law too, but in a different way. They just made it so that they could move spending off the books, and only have to report a truly balanced budget every 4 years. Then they went out and raided Manitoba Hydro to finance their sleight of hand. This is one of the reasons why the Auditor General announced an investigation into risk that Hydro is getting into. How much the utility is putting aside for projects is a huge issue. The investigation is to take 18 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 They have to by law. And the economic growth..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 People of Sask paying more then double the market price for their own natural gas. Man the Sask Party isn't even pretending they are in it for the people anymore. http://ndpcaucus.sk.ca/news?id=258 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 People of Sask paying more then double the market price for their own natural gas. Man the Sask Party isn't even pretending they are in it for the people anymore.http://ndpcaucus.sk.ca/news?id=258 Natural gas price falls below $3 US By Dan Healing, Calgary HeraldAugust 20, 2009Comments (11) CALGARY - Hard-hit Calgary natural gas producers are increasingly opting to leave the heating fuel in the ground rather than try to sell it into a spot market that plunged to new seven-year lows on Thursday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Natural gas price falls below $3 USBy Dan Healing, Calgary HeraldAugust 20, 2009Comments (11) CALGARY - Hard-hit Calgary natural gas producers are increasingly opting to leave the heating fuel in the ground rather than try to sell it into a spot market that plunged to new seven-year lows on Thursday. Screw that the gas belongs to the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I don't want a right wing party nor do I want a left wing party! I want a party that has two wings and flys straight. A party that is not all about competition with the other hand of the same body. Look at our friend benny - a communist who is totally motivated by hating the right - with out any real purpose or useful political agenda - If the left destroys the right - then they become the right _ I want a person in charge who can use both the left and right hand with skill. Not some lop sided partizanish idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Screw that the gas belongs to the people. So the NDP would nationalize it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 So the NDP would nationalize it? Nope that gas was destined for the US anyway, however if they aren't careful we might get renewable before all that gas is gone and they will have a wasted resource on their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 So the NDP would nationalize it? If they proposed it... would the NDP then be in the mainstream of public opinion?Canadians favour nationalizing gas resources, companies: poll MONTREAL (CP) - Almost half of Canadians wanted to see petroleum resources and oil companies nationalized as fuel prices hit record levels, a new poll suggests. In the Leger poll, which was provided to The Canadian Press, 49 per cent of respondents wanted petroleum resources nationalized while 43 per cent said they would like to see the same fate for oil companies. Quebecers were the strongest supporters of resource nationalization at 67 per cent, followed by residents of the Atlantic provinces at 53 per cent, Ontarians at 45 per cent and British Columbia at 42 per cent. Forty per cent of respondents on the Prairies and 36 per cent of Albertans were in favour. Among those opposed, Albertans led the way at 49 per cent followed by British Columbians at 39 per cent Quebec led in support for nationalization of oil companies, with 61 per cent in favour, followed by the Atlantic provinces (46 per cent). Alberta was most opposed at 59 per cent, followed by the Prairies (49 per cent), B.C. 46 per cent and Ontario, 41 per cent. Most of the respondents - 79 per cent - suggested they would like to see taxes on gasoline cut, although federal and provincial governments have made it clear that is unlikely. Meanwhile here is a link to some nice little graphs regarding Bolivias Nationalizing of Gas...http://www.ciponline.org/colombia/blog/archives/000250.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 If they proposed it... would the NDP then be in the mainstream of public opinion?Canadians favour nationalizing gas resources, companies: poll That poll was from 2005 when gas was rising to levels that sparked anger. I suppose that could happen again. Last July oil was $147 a barrel. It has recovered to $74 a barrel. I guess the question is: Does anyone think owning the gas will eliminate world prices for it? And if we subsidize it, does it make it more difficult to increase productivity and energy efficiency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 (edited) Wall ups insurance rates. Maybe to make up for his terrible revenue figures. Ohhhh the right they will nickel and dime you because they can't think of other ways to fix problems. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/stor...-rate-hike.html Edited August 25, 2009 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 (edited) That poll was from 2005 when gas was rising to levels that sparked anger. I suppose that could happen again. Last July oil was $147 a barrel. It has recovered to $74 a barrel. Its a Majority, no matter how you slice it. It is Mainstream thinking. I guess the question is: Does anyone think owning the gas will eliminate world prices for it? And if we subsidize it, does it make it more difficult to increase productivity and energy efficiency? We can dispense fuel as required without the influence of global speculators. They price of fuel at $147 was not based upon any market demand, but upon a phoney speculation market that had greedy investors driving up the price of fuel and successfully snuffing out the last embers that were preventing a global meltdown. Good for them, the bunch of crapheads. Removing market fluctations and eliminating the rushing off to greedland by the speculators, actually stabilizes and increases overall economic productivity. Energy efficiency can be legislated, and when it is legislated, it is a superior mechanism then believing in the invisiblee hand of the market. The barrier to Canada nationalizating its oil industry like Denmark, is that the Provinces, enjoy this revenue and it is embedded in the Constitution that these resources fall under their jurisdiction. Edited August 26, 2009 by madmax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Responsible government, lower taxes, integrity and prosperity. Yeah what the heck were they thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Its a Majority, no matter how you slice it. It is Mainstream thinking. Taken from a poll that may or may not reflect thinking now. We can dispense fuel as required without the influence of global speculators. They price of fuel at $147 was not based upon any market demand, but upon a phoney speculation market that had greedy investors driving up the price of fuel and successfully snuffing out the last embers that were preventing a global meltdown. Good for them, the bunch of crapheads. Who would dispense the fuel? A Crown corporation? Removing market fluctations and eliminating the rushing off to greedland by the speculators, actually stabilizes and increases overall economic productivity. But how? Public utilities regulation falls under provincial regulation. Energy efficiency can be legislated, and when it is legislated, it is a superior mechanism then believing in the invisiblee hand of the market. But by who? Federal? How? A constitutional amendment? The barrier to Canada nationalizating its oil industry like Denmark, is that the Provinces, enjoy this revenue and it is embedded in the Constitution that these resources fall under their jurisdiction. Exactly. How do you propose we get around that? Sounds to me like anyone who proposed this would be accused of robbing western provinces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 (edited) Responsible government, lower taxes, integrity and prosperity. Yeah what the heck were they thinking? They didn't do any of that, just as thy never do. You have no facts just BS again. Edited August 26, 2009 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 And the Liberals show they aren`t a real party yet again in Sask. http://buckdogpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/0...wan-is-not.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 LOL So which day did the Saskatchewan Liberal Party die? Was it the day the good doctor joined Romanow's NDP for the chance to be in cabinet, or the day that the disaffected remainder of the party threw in with what was left of the Conservatives to make the Sask Party? (Here's a hint: Sask Liberals figure it's the former.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 LOL So which day did the Saskatchewan Liberal Party die? Was it the day the good doctor joined Romanow's NDP for the chance to be in cabinet, or the day that the disaffected remainder of the party threw in with what was left of the Conservatives to make the Sask Party? (Here's a hint: Sask Liberals figure it's the former.) Wasn't there two Liberals who joined Calvert's cabinet and gave them the stability to withstand an election from the Saskatchewan Party? Other Liberals fell in with the Saskatchewan Part and only a rump of Liberals stayed the course. Given the scandals with the present NDP leadership race that is being investigated, there is probably an opportunity for the party to re-build. I know some NDPers want only two parties in Canada since they believe it gives them a 50-50 chance of being in power. I think that the either/or choice is too narrow. If I did not have an option that I wished to vote, I would not vote. Period. By the way, the Liberals are only running one candidate in the by-elections to allow a party leader to get into the house. Historically, we have seen this sort of thing happen across Canada from time to time. Some NDP choose to treat the matter with disdain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 By the way, the Liberals are only running one candidate in the by-elections to allow a party leader to get into the house. Historically, we have seen this sort of thing happen across Canada from time to time. Some NDP choose to treat the matter with disdain. Ohhhhh so the Liberals are only running one Candidate so the NDP lose is what you are saying? So again they throw in with the Conservatives in Sask. HAHAHAHA great defence of why your party is not just conservative shills Dobbin. Great defence. Maybe next time you wont run any candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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