Canadian Defends Anti-Medicare Ad

[Werecar]

You can choose your coverage, you do not have a politician making the choice for you. If you don't like what one company offers, go to another.

Politicians don't make the choice and they don't restrict treatment. Even if your provincial health plan doesn't financially cover it you can still pay for it just like private care.

[Smallc]

I vote but I don't trust them.

And you trust insurance companies? I once watched an documentary that talked about how insurance companies have to deny about half of all claims. That scares me.

[benny]

No you have someone who is only trying to make money decideing for you and that's no matter what insurance company you go with.

And an American can choose only if s/he has the means (i.e. money or a good job).

[Alta4ever]

No you have someone who is only trying to make money decideing for you and that's no matter what insurance company you go with.

No it is up to you, you decide what policy you will buy, you decide on the coverages in the policy, the only difference is you have to take responsiblity for your choice later on if you just signed on the dotted line and said insurance is insurance.

[Smallc]

Politicians don't make the choice and they don't restrict treatment.

Unfortunately, to some extent, that is happening in his province. They are delisting services and calling them not medically necessary. It hasn't moved into mainstream care yet, but I fear that the federal government may have to step in, and I'm not sure that this federal government has the courage.

[Alta4ever]

And you trust insurance companies? I once watched an documentary that talked about how insurance companies have to deny about half of all claims. That scares me.

I trust my ablity to pick the right one, you tpouched on something important you must research claims history, you must know what is in your policy, you must know what you are buying. But ultimately you have your choice.

[Smallc]

No it is up to you, you decide what policy you will buy, you decide on the coverages in the policy, the only difference is you have to take responsiblity for your choice later on if you just signed on the dotted line and said insurance is insurance.

And it's something that Canadians and even Albertans don't want according to polls. We don't want to have to worry about if we're covered every time we go to the doctor.

[bush_cheney2004]

Unfortunately, to some extent, that is happening in his province. They are delisting services and calling them not medically necessary. It hasn't moved into mainstream care yet, but I fear that the federal government may have to step in, and I'm not sure that this federal government has the courage.

Alas...if government giveth...government can taketh away.

[Guest TrueMetis]

No it is up to you, you decide what policy you will buy, you decide on the coverages in the policy, the only difference is you have to take responsiblity for your choice later on if you just signed on the dotted line and said insurance is insurance.

And then something that is covered by your policy is denied on some flimsy pretext meaning you pay but don't get anything from it.

[Smallc]

I trust my ablity to pick the right one, you tpouched on something important you must research claims history, you must know what is in your policy, you must know what you are buying. But ultimately you have your choice.

What you're asking is for Canadian society to take a step backwards. If anything, we need a more public system, one that covers ambulance use and prescription drugs. We already have private delivery, but we as a people have chosen to have the government pay for our care, and overall things work very well.

[benny]

No it is up to you, you decide what policy you will buy, you decide on the coverages in the policy, the only difference is you have to take responsiblity for your choice later on if you just signed on the dotted line and said insurance is insurance.

Rescission is an irresponsible behavior of the part of the insurers.

[Smallc]

Alas...if government giveth...government can taketh away.

Governments can also be voted out. We threw out the PCs because of health care. It's time for Alberta to do the same.

[Alta4ever]

And it's something that Canadians and even Albertans don't want according to polls. We don't want to have to worry about if we're covered every time we go to the doctor.

I want my choice in which hospital I visit, who I get service from, we also do not have this choice, they will treat you if it is an emergency, but if it isn't they want you to go to your local doctor or hospital, no matter how poor the service.

[Alta4ever]

Governments can also be voted out. We threw out the PCs because of health care. It's time for Alberta to do the same.

Hopefully ed will be thrown to the curb, we have an upstart center right party the Wildrose, many Albertans have great hopes, but also I hope their is a movement a foot to kick ed to the curb at his next leadership review in November. There are no conservatives left in the party their is no principals left in the party, just power hungry tyrants, that despise dissent.

[Werecar]

I want my choice in which hospital I visit, who I get service from, we also do not have this choice, they will treat you if it is an emergency, but if it isn't they want you to go to your local doctor or hospital, no matter how poor the service.

You have that. You can go to any hospital or clinic in Canada and receive treatment. In the US you can only go to a place you can afford.

[Smallc]

I want my choice in which hospital I visit, who I get service from, we also do not have this choice, they will treat you if it is an emergency, but if it isn't they want you to go to your local doctor or hospital, no matter how poor the service.

That's certainly not how it works here. I can walk into any hospital or clinic in this province, and the moment I do, I will get treated using first whatever is at the disposal of the hospital, then the regional health authority, then the province, and even elsewhere if need be. I can refuse to go to a certain doctor of surgeon or specialist unless of course they are the only one of their type, and even then I could refuse if necessary. Somehow, I don't quite believe that it's as directed as you say in your province.

Mr provincial health plan also allows me to walk into any hospital in Canada and any clinic outside of Quebec without pulling out my credit card. If I need service at a Quebec clinic, I simply forward the bills to Manitoba Health for repayment.

Edited July 26, 2009 by Smallc

[Smallc]

In the US you can only go to a place you can afford.

Or one that your insurance company approves of.

[Smallc]

There are no conservatives left in the party their is no principals left in the party, just power hungry tyrants, that despise dissent.

It does look that way doesn't it. They seem to have social conservative tendencies, which don't play well in Northern Alberta, and no fiscal conservatism between them. I'm surprised Albertans tolerate it so quietly.

[benny]

I want my choice in which hospital I visit, who I get service from, we also do not have this choice, they will treat you if it is an emergency, but if it isn't they want you to go to your local doctor or hospital, no matter how poor the service.

Specializations allow for more efficient services.

[Alta4ever]

That's certainly not how it works here. I can walk into any hospital or clinic in this province, and the moment I do, I will get treated using first whatever is at the disposal of the hospital, then the regional health authority, then the province, and even elsewhere if need be. I can refuse to go to a certain doctor of surgeon or specialist unless of course they are the only one of their type, and even then I could refuse if necessary. Somehow, I don't quite believe that it's as directed as you say in your province.

Mr provincial health plan also allows me to walk into any hospital in Canada and any clinic outside of Quebec without pulling out my credit card. If I need service at a Quebec clinic, I simply forward the bills to Manitoba Health for repayment.

Its definately no the same here, If i needed treatment in Manitoba Alberta health is going to only pay so much, anything above it is out of pocket, with that said everytime I do travel to Winnipeg or anywhere out of province I buy travel insurance not that I mind it is very in-expensive.

Our healthcare is in deep decline in this province and needs fixing, too bad Kliens third way was shot down it probably would have worked.

[CANADIEN]

I want my choice in which hospital I visit, who I get service from, we also do not have this choice, they will treat you if it is an emergency, but if it isn't they want you to go to your local doctor or hospital, no matter how poor the service.

I have my choice of hospitals, and we both live under the same medicare system.

Let's compare ourselves now with the average American saddled with the health insurer his employer has chosen for him, and who can only get the medical treatment, go to the doctor, use the hospital the insurer chooses for him on the basis, not of what is the best for him, but what is best for the investors' bank account.

Edited July 26, 2009 by CANADIEN

[Alta4ever]

It does look that way doesn't it. They seem to have social conservative tendencies, which don't play well in Northern Alberta, and no fiscal conservatism between them. I'm surprised Albertans tolerate it so quietly.

They don't I have been hearing rumblings from very moderate people, who are in high hopes of the WAP, as am I, as right wing as I appear here I really hope they stay to the moderate centre right because it will ensure an election victory and the removal of the PC's from this province.

[benny]

Its definately no the same here, If i needed treatment in Manitoba Alberta health is going to only pay so much, anything above it is out of pocket

You want choices but you don't want to pay much, so it seems!

[Smallc]

I talk to a forum member from Alberta on another forum. He lives in Edmonton, and he alwys brags about how the speed and efficiency of the system has improved. I know there are certainly problems in some areas, but surely some things have gotten better, as they have in other provinces. Surely things are about to get much better with the opening of the Heart Institute and the opening of the Edmonton Clinic in a few years. I would say that there is a great deal to be optimistic about

[bush_cheney2004]

Or one that your insurance company approves of.

False on both counts for the US....emergency treatment cannot legally be refused at US hospitals. Out of network hospitals are covered at a reduced reimbursement rate.

Edited July 26, 2009 by bush_cheney2004