Alta4ever Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 There are far more good stories than bad stories. There should not be any bad stories, regardless of the out come, you should feel that our medical system did evrything possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werecar Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Ignorance is bliss. Explain the droves of Americans going south for affordable healthcare then.Ignorance is bliss explain why droves of Canadians are leaving Canada for healthcare then? They aren't. I already posted about that myth getting busted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 ....Really, you are just embarassing yourself. All you have is a bitter experience for which you have clearly demonstrated you don't have proper details about nor any reasonable claim that under a US system you would have fared better. Maybe, but now he has the opportunity to find out. That is the key difference..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 There should not be any bad stories, regardless of the out come, you should feel that our medical system did everything possible. Our medical system is run by human beings that have to live within a budget, and to expect perfection is to be more than naive. Our system usually does do everything possible. That isn't always true, but it can't always be true, or the level of service that we provide now could never be maintained. In extraordinary circumstances like the one you experienced, things can go wrong and they can't always go as we'd like. It's terrible, but it happens because people make mistakes, and because we can't always be everything to everyone. All we can do is try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 4) "we have buercrats decided what kind and level of service you will get, and its pathetic.". Wrong. Under our system only doctors determine what healthcare we get. In the US system you need insurance approval or else its unaffordable and thats just those with insurance. The main advantage of a single-payer system like ours is precisely that it allows to get rid of layers of very well-paid, corrupted, private-sector bureaucrats helping private insurers to escape their obligations towards their clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werecar Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 There should not be any bad stories, regardless of the out come, you should feel that our medical system did evrything possible. Then there are no bad stories in the states eh? Every medical story is a happy outcome and all the stories about the uninsured all made up? No denials of treatment for insurance reasons? No declaring bankruptcy for treatment? You truly haven't thought this through have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Our medical system is run by human beings that have to live within a budget, and to expect perfection is to be more than naive. Our system usually does do everything possible. That isn't always true, but it can't always be true, or the level of service that we provide now could never be maintained. In extraordinary circumstances like the one you experienced, things can go wrong and they can't always go as we'd like. It's terrible, but it happens because people make mistakes, and because we can't always be everything to everyone. All we can do is try. I can appreciate what you say, but until you've experienced it........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 And I appreciate what happened to you and your family was terrible, but there are horror stories in every system. The reality is that overall, we have better outcomes than many places and we live longer than the people in most countries. We have to be doing something right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Then there are no bad stories in the states eh? Every medical story is a happy outcome and all the stories about the uninsured all made up?No denials of treatment for insurance reasons? No declaring bankruptcy for treatment? You truly haven't thought this through have you? I would much rather have the opportunity, and if it does happen to me, I have made sure to put the proper insurance in place to exercise that opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werecar Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I can appreciate what you say, but until you've experienced it........ Are you honestly saying that you are the only person here who has experienced the health care system???? Thats just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 And I appreciate what happened to you and your family was terrible, but there are horror stories in every system. The reality is that overall, we have better outcomes than many places and we live longer than the people in most countries. We have to be doing something right. It is being rationed more and more every year though, I don't know about Manitoba, but it is happening in Alberta. Stelmach has to go. Hopeffully the WAP can get their party together, they have become the great hope of the province. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werecar Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I would much rather have the opportunity, and if it does happen to me, I have made sure to put the proper insurance in place to exercise that opportunity. I'd much rather have in place a system that will care for me rich or poor with the same dedication and professionalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Are you honestly saying that you are the only person here who has experienced the health care system????Thats just silly. No expercienced the horror story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 It is being rationed more and more every year though, Is it though? Waits are down, and the number of health professionals and hospital beds are increasing as is the technology. I know that's a fact in both Manitoba and Alberta. In Manitoba, we do 5 times the number of advanced imaging scans that we did 10 years ago. Rural areas are a problem and they always will be, but in urban areas, excluding MRIs, things are doing quite good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I'd much rather have in place a system that will care for me rich or poor with the same dedication and professionalism. I have no such love or faith for a system where the policitians can make the choice about what is and isn't going to be covered by the provincial health care plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I have no such love or faith for a system where the policitians can make the choice about what is and isn't going to be covered by the provincial health care plan. As opposed to a system were insurance companies who are only trying to make money decide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werecar Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 No expercienced the horror story. What about the Americans with horror stories of their own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werecar Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I have no such love or faith for a system where the policitians can make the choice about what is and isn't going to be covered by the provincial health care plan. As opposed to insurance companies deciding it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Is it though? Waits are down, and the number of health professionals and hospital beds are increasing as is the technology. I know that's a fact in both Manitoba and Alberta. In Manitoba, we do 5 times the number of advanced imaging scans that we did 10 years ago. Rural areas are a problem and they always will be, but in urban areas, excluding MRIs, things are doing quite good. Stelmachs super board was a flop, they are talking about closing hospitals and even one MLA was booted out of caucus for speaking on his constituents behalf over an anouced Long term care facility that was cancelled, because Ron Leipert decided it really wasn't needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I have no such love or faith for a system where the policitians can make the choice about what is and isn't going to be covered by the provincial health care plan. The only province that i know of that is delisting services is yours, I'm sorry to say, and I know that most people are opposed to it. I really hope that the people of Alberta do something about it next time, but something tells me that whoever they elect will be worse in their support of the medicare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 As opposed to a system were insurance companies who are only trying to make money decide? You can choose your coverage, you do not have a politician making the choice for you. If you don't like what one company offers, go to another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 What about the Americans with horror stories of their own? Here one: street-corner drug dealers are used as pharmacists by suffering poor Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 You can choose your coverage, you do not have a politician making the choice for you. If you don't like what one company offers, go to another. No you have someone who is only trying to make money decideing for you and that's no matter what insurance company you go with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 You can choose your coverage, you do not have a politician making the choice for you. But we elect those politicians, don't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 But we elect those politicians, don't we? I vote but I don't trust them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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