Canuck selling out Canada's Health Care on Fox News

[M.Dancer]

I think we have already covered this before....your "right" to healthcare is the right to a queue that may or may not result in access to "care". There is no right to actual care, organs, therapies, etc., if only because of the logistics involved. Health care fails the basic tests for enumerated and natural rights.

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Whether it fails the test for enumerated rights is irrelevant, it is a Canadian right that healthcare is funded. It is a right that has stood the supreme test, the test of law.

As for the queues, they exist where ever demand exceeds capacity...in Canada and the US or any other part of the world.

[bush_cheney2004]

Whether it fails the test for enumerated rights is irrelevant, it is a Canadian right that healthcare is funded. It is a right that has stood the supreme test, the test of law.

OK....funded to what levels? How did Chretien and Martin legally slash such funding in the 90's?

As for the queues, they exist where ever demand exceeds capacity...in Canada and the US or any other part of the world.

The queues are your right...nothing more....and really existed anyway, as you state. Ergo, no right has been created.

[M.Dancer]

OK....funded to what levels? How did Chretien and Martin legally slash such funding in the 90's?

The queues are your right...nothing more....and really existed anyway, as you state. Ergo, no right has been created.

Except for the rigt to first class care. Which we get one way or another. If this woman has a case, she will be fully compensated.

[bush_cheney2004]

Except for the rigt to first class care. Which we get one way or another. If this woman has a case, she will be fully compensated.

What if I live in Echo Bay.....care won't be the same as for somebody in Toronto. So how can there be such a disparity in "rights" as a Canadian? Province matters....as does location in a province (or territory).

[Radsickle]

Americans are conditioned to be competitive in every aspect, even health. If you're healthy, you have a competitive advantage over those less healthy. If you have enough money, you have a competitive advantage over those less fortunate and unable to afford healthcare.

In Canada, this is seen as primitive and pitiful.

Argue all you want, Canada's system rocks and this Shona Holmes twit is a lone, stupid voice who does NOT represent most Canadians.

[M.Dancer]

What if I live in Echo Bay.....care won't be the same as for somebody in Toronto. So how can there be such a disparity in "rights" as a Canadian? Province matters....as does location in a province (or territory).

Well healthcare as such is a provincial responsibility and resources are allocated based on a actuarial assumption....But, you ahve the right to go to Toronto just like if you lived in Dearborne...you have the right to go to Detroit.

You seem to be under the assumption that rights = perfection. As you well know, that ain't the case..hardly ever. Blacks in the US in the 50s and 60s had the right to vote...you have the right to vote....and the line up you stand in in order to vote is not your right....

[M.Dancer]

Argue all you want, Canada's system rocks and this Shona Holmes twit is a lone, stupid voice who does NOT represent most Canadians.

That doesn't make her argument any less powerful. If she has a case she can sue as did the woman from Quebec a short while ago...

Our system rocks except when it doesn't. And without harsh criticism it will rock less and less.

[bush_cheney2004]

Americans are conditioned to be competitive in every aspect, even health. If you're healthy, you have a competitive advantage over those less healthy. If you have enough money, you have a competitive advantage over those less fortunate and unable to afford healthcare.

My family never had health insurance as a child....it is/was a luxury....we were still very competitive.

In Canada, this is seen as primitive and pitiful.

That's why Canadian doctors and patients go abroad.

Argue all you want, Canada's system rocks and this Shona Holmes twit is a lone, stupid voice who does NOT represent most Canadians.

But she sure as hell represents some of them. LOL!

[Radsickle]

My family never had health insurance as a child....it is/was a luxury....we were still very competitive.

That explains a lot regarding your posts.

[bush_cheney2004]

That explains a lot regarding your posts.

Your posts are unexplainable.

[Radsickle]

Wow, you are a troll. Lily's right. I see it now.

[bush_cheney2004]

Wow, you are a troll. Lily's right. I see it now.

I see a popsicle.

[bush_cheney2004]

Canadians visiting the U.S. to receive health care

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- Some residents of Canada travel to the United States because it provides the nearest facilty for their needs. Some do so on quality grounds or because of easier access.

- According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach's spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket. Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tiered health care.

- When Robert Bourassa, the premier of Quebec, needed cancer treatment, he went to the US to get it.

- In 2007, it was reported that Canada sent scores of pregnant women to the US to give birth.

- In 2007 a woman from Calgary who was pregnant with quadruplets was sent to Great Falls, Montana to give birth. An article on this incident states, "There was no room at any other Canadian neonatal intensive care unit."

- Champion figure skater Audrey Williams needed a hip replacement. Even though she waited two years and suffered in pain, she still did not get the surgery, because the waiting list was so long. So she went to the US and spent her own money to get the surgery.

- A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe And Mail states, "More than 150 critically ill Canadians – many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages – have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_i...ive_health_care

[Guest TrueMetis]

Then you leave out the Americans going to Canada

US citizens visiting Canada to receive health care

On the other hand, some US citizens travel to Canada for health-care related reasons:

Many US citizens purchase prescription drugs from Canada, either over the Internet or by traveling there to buy them in person, because drug prices in Canada are substantially lower than in the US; this cross-border purchasing has been estimated at $1 billion annually.

At least one Canadian entrepreneur is beckoning US residents to Canada for simple surgeries, such as knee and hip replacements. However, the article does not cite any actual patients who have responded to his offer.

Because medical marijuana is legal in Canada but illegal in most of the US, many US citizens suffering from cancer, AIDS, multiple sclerosis, and glaucoma have traveled to Canada for medical treatment. One of those is Steve Kubby, the Libertarian Party's 1998 candidate for governor of California, who is suffering from adrenal cancer. Recent legal changes such as Proposition 215 may decrease this type of medical tourism from California only.

Rarely mentioned, is the use of Canadian medical facilities by relatives of Canadian citizens living in the USA, either US citizens or Canadian ex-pats. Many of the aforesaid will routinely use Canadian addresses to make use of Canadian hospital out-patients facilities, adding to the concern with wait-times in Canadian hospitals

Wikipedia

Edited July 23, 2009 by TrueMetis

[bush_cheney2004]

Then you leave out the Americans going to Canada

Not left out...I provided the link just for you.

[Radsickle]

I see a popsicle.

then lick me

[bush_cheney2004]

then lick me

I think you have already been licked...several times.

[Radsickle]

I think you have already been licked...several times.

oh, I wish.

Buddy, you're on here a lot; seem to have all the time in the world to post your puke. You're a troll, admit it.

Edited July 23, 2009 by Radsickle

[bush_cheney2004]

oh, I wish.

Buddy, you're on here a lot; seem to have all the time in the world to post your puke. You're a troll, admit it.

..and you're a punk.....keep up if you can.

[Radsickle]

Not only does SHona Holmes not deserve a cent of compensation, SHe SHould be kicked out of Canada.

[Bonam]

Not only does SHona Holmes not deserve a cent of compensation, SHe SHould be kicked out of Canada.

On what grounds? That you don't like what she did?

[M.Dancer]

Not only does SHona Holmes not deserve a cent of compensation, SHe SHould be kicked out of Canada.

The totalitarian aspect of socialism rears its hideous head...

[enviralment]

Our health care costs are going to sky-rocket in the coming years. We need to start looking at ways to create a less bureaucratic health care system that cuts down on the fat we have built up around the edges. (Nobody needs this much bureaucratic administration)

[Riverwind]

Not only does SHona Holmes not deserve a cent of compensation, SHe SHould be kicked out of Canada.

Why? Kicking people out for having a self serving sense of entitlement would dramically thin the ranks of the NDP party.

[Radsickle]

Americans are not trying to change the CHA, but domestic politicos can't stand the idea of a "traitor" bad mouthing the third rail in Canadian politics.

Shona's a twit not a `traitor'. She has every right to pursue her 15 minutes of `fame' on Fox Network, if her stomach can handle it.

I just want you to know that she's not popular here and that Canadian Health Care is much more enlightened and evolved than what your country offers most citizens.