kuzadd Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 From Haaretz The undercurrent of racism in this year's election campaign was a clear warning. Overtly anti-Israeli Arab legislation and bills aimed at curbing Arab freedom of expression have soiled the concept of a Jewish state to a nadir that Israel's worst, most energetic enemies have never managed to approach. Inevitably, fellow Jews in Israel have become targets of the hatred as well. In Jerusalem, Jews who presume to be among the most devout of all adherents to Judaism, think nothing of attacking fellow Jews on the Sabbath with cinder blocks and glass bottles, all in protest over the opening of a parking lot. Rabbis in the West Bank give Israel's enemies new ammunition week to week, by condoning killings of Palestinians. And, in a reference to Israeli Arabs, ultra-Orthodox Housing Minister Ariel Atias this month chose the Bar Association, of all venues, to declare that he saw it as "a national duty to prevent the spread of a population that, to say the least, does not love the state of Israel." He went on to explicitly argue for segregation, not only between Jews and Arabs, but between ultra-Orthodox and secular Jews. It is this very racism that will bring to it's end the state of Israel. And the Israelis and their apologists will have only themselves to blame Too many of it's citizens have become consumed with hatred, a hatred that was fomented by Israel's own government to feed the us vs them monster. That kind of manipulation can only end badly Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
KrustyKidd Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 From HaaretzIt is this very racism that will bring to it's end the state of Israel. And the Israelis and their apologists will have only themselves to blame Too many of it's citizens have become consumed with hatred, a hatred that was fomented by Israel's own government to feed the us vs them monster. That kind of manipulation can only end badly 'Taint nothing compared to the 'shoot 'em up' antics of Fatah and Hamas go through their Chinese weapons inventory in the streets at election time putting more civillians at risk than the Israelis ever could. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
kuzadd Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) 'Taint nothing compared to the 'shoot 'em up' antics of Fatah and Hamas go through their Chinese weapons inventory in the streets at election time putting more civillians at risk than the Israelis ever could. Is that the topic? Do you have anything to say on the haaretz article? So Jews attacking other Jews in Israel is hunky dory with you then, well ok. Never mind the attacks on Arabs? The burning of bibles? Popping of balloons? More intolerance,breeds more intolerance. Edited July 7, 2009 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
KrustyKidd Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 So Jews attacking other Jews in Israel is hunky dory with you then, well ok. 'Taint nothing compared to the 'shoot 'em up' antics of Fatah and Hamas go through their Chinese weapons inventory in the streets at election time putting more civilians at risk than the Israelis ever could. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
Bonam Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 So Jews attacking other Jews in Israel is hunky dory with you then, well ok. No nation is perfectly harmonious. There are incidents of violence between people of the same nationality just about anywhere around the world. Disagreements over religious matters are of course idiotic, especially when they lead to violence, but they happen everywhere. How is this any different? Never mind the attacks on Arabs? A natural reaction to decades (or millenia if you want to look at the broader historical context) of strife and violence. The burning of bibles? That's not mentioned in the article. Popping of balloons? Isn't that what people do at birthday parties for little kids and such? What's wrong with popping balloons lol. Quote
kuzadd Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Posted July 7, 2009 'Bonam' No nation is perfectly harmonious. There are incidents of violence between people of the same nationality just about anywhere around the world. Disagreements over religious matters are of course idiotic, especially when they lead to violence, but they happen everywhere. How is this any different? See when arabs do it, it is a sign of something wrong with them, but when Israelis do it. It is ok, just normal A natural reaction to decades (or millenia if you want to look at the broader historical context) of strife and violence. And vice versa, right Bonam? Isn't that what people do at birthday parties for little kids and such? What's wrong with popping balloons lol. No that is what Israeli soldiers do at Palestinians parties, because the balloons are Palestinan? Another news story You gotta love those double standards, but back to the news story please. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
Bonam Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 See when arabs do it, it is a sign of something wrong with them, but when Israelis do it. It is ok, just normal Where did I say that? When people commit violence against other people in their country, that is usually dealt with by the police or other appropriate authorities, according to the laws of that country. When a government decides to massacre its own people or otherwise repress them, that is when something is wrong with the country, a good example being what Hamas did to their fellow Palestinians after taking over Gaza. And vice versa, right Bonam? Sure, with one difference. The Israelis seem able to think ahead and achieve for themselves a decent life in a relatively modern country. The Palestinians, or at least their leaders, seem to fail at this, and rather than rationally choosing their best option (accepting the best offer of a state they can get and working to improve their own livelihoods), they instead choose to engage in hopeless terrorism, throwing away their own lives and the lives of their children. The Israelis defend themselves and the lives they have built; the Palestinians throw away the opportunity to build their lives. No that is what Israeli soldiers do at Palestinians parties, because the balloons are Palestinan?Another news story You're really not gonna get me to shed a tear for a popped balloon. I'm sorry, but it's just not happening, heh. Quote
KrustyKidd Posted July 8, 2009 Report Posted July 8, 2009 The Israelis defend themselves and the lives they have built; the Palestinians throw away the opportunity to build their lives. Same lady that told me about when she was 12 she heard Arab radio shouting how they were gong to kill them all also told me that through the years, 'Palestinians never pass up a chance to lose an opportunity.' She didn't say this with smugness, but sadness. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
kuzadd Posted July 8, 2009 Author Report Posted July 8, 2009 Hmm, rather amazing isn't it? An article about problems, serious problems within Israel, as written by someone who lives there. It all becomes about Muslims???? Strange. Out of touch with reality completely and wholly in denial. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
Guest Nina22 Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 Jews in the Ukraine? Verboten! The other day the virgin businessman of the jewish origin in Mukachevo, city in the western Ukraine, was denied in registration of his small business. Local officials put it plain for him once and forever saying, “go to israel and venture it there’. Unlike Boris many other Jewss in the Ukraine don’t even make a try…. For there are anti-Semitic nationalists at the wheel in keiv. And that is the reason of the recognized fact that Ukraine is doing really bad both politically and economically. President Yuschenko is hateful of all the non-ukraininas, but Jews are definitely are least favorable in his country. Even his primer Timoshenko ( half a Jew or even a smaller shade of Jewish blood) is huge irritant for him as well as many other of that sort among the Ukrainian pols and businessmen and other. Ukrainian elite is half jewish, which is bitter disappointment with Yuschenko indeed. What kind of a coordinated and sane policy in the Ukraine one may speak of then? Can Israel and other civilized world help Ukraine out now? Yuschenko must quit a.s.a.p. That’s the the issue of survival for Ukraine now…. Quote
Bonam Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 Jews in the Ukraine? Verboten!The other day the virgin businessman of the jewish origin in Mukachevo, city in the western Ukraine, was denied in registration of his small business. Local officials put it plain for him once and forever saying, “go to israel and venture it there’. Unlike Boris many other Jewss in the Ukraine don’t even make a try…. For there are anti-Semitic nationalists at the wheel in keiv. And that is the reason of the recognized fact that Ukraine is doing really bad both politically and economically. President Yuschenko is hateful of all the non-ukraininas, but Jews are definitely are least favorable in his country. Even his primer Timoshenko ( half a Jew or even a smaller shade of Jewish blood) is huge irritant for him as well as many other of that sort among the Ukrainian pols and businessmen and other. Ukrainian elite is half jewish, which is bitter disappointment with Yuschenko indeed. What kind of a coordinated and sane policy in the Ukraine one may speak of then? Can Israel and other civilized world help Ukraine out now? Yuschenko must quit a.s.a.p. That’s the the issue of survival for Ukraine now…. Eastern Europe has always been (and still is) plagued with rampant antisemitism. It seems almost an inherent aspect of the Slavic identity and culture to be fearful and hateful of Jews. Nothing would change whether it's Yuschenko or someone else. Quote
dub Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 Hmm, rather amazing isn't it?An article about problems, serious problems within Israel, as written by someone who lives there. It all becomes about Muslims???? Strange. Out of touch with reality completely and wholly in denial. oh that krusty. Quote
kuzadd Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Posted July 9, 2009 oh that krusty. like I say all the time, refer to reply in other thread. It still stinks! Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Posted July 9, 2009 (edited) Eastern Europe has always been (and still is) plagued with rampant antisemitism. It seems almost an inherent aspect of the Slavic identity and culture to be fearful and hateful of Jews. Nothing would change whether it's Yuschenko or someone else. "It seems almost an inherent aspect of the Slavic identity and culture to be fearful and hateful of Jews." Holy assumptions batman! Onward ho with massive generalizations! btw an odd post for this thread. maybe the new poster should have started a thread of his/her own. Edited July 9, 2009 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
Bonam Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 "It seems almost an inherent aspect of the Slavic identity and culture to be fearful and hateful of Jews."Holy assumptions batman! Onward ho with massive generalizations! Not an assumption. Discrimination against Jews has been more prevalent in Eastern Europe than in any other part of the world for, literally, over a thousand years. Pogroms happened every few years or decades, even during periods when Jews lived in relative peace in Western Europe and even in the Arab world. Even in the 20th century, while some nations in Europe protected their Jews from Nazi extermination schemes, the Slavs of Eastern Europe generally rejoiced at finally having the opportunity to rid themselves of the Jews. Discrimination against Jews was rampant and institutionalized in the Russian Empire during Tsarist times, as well as in the Soviet Union under each and every one of its leaders. The Christian Orthodox church, by far the dominant religion in Eastern Europe, continues to propagate hateful myths about Jews. Even today in Russia, Ukraine, the components of Yugoslavia, etc, antisemitism continues to be both widespread and accepted, just as are other forms of racism, such as against blacks and against Chinese. Quote
Bonam Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 btw an odd post for this thread. maybe the new poster should have started a thread of his/her own. Agreed, it is a whole different topic. Quote
KrustyKidd Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Hmm, rather amazing isn't it?An article about problems, serious problems within Israel, as written by someone who lives there. It all becomes about Muslims???? Strange. Out of touch with reality completely and wholly in denial. They are the ones who made war on a country that wished peace. I would say that when they become peaceful, stop creating death (as proven when they hold their own elections) then progress may start. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
Muddy Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Israel is the most multicultural country in the middle east as far as I can see. Will there be bigots in this grand experiment ? You bet! Just like in Canada. If we recognize that fact we are called racist. Just ask your self this question. If you were forced to live in the middle east as a Christian,Jew ,Jehovah Witness or as Godless, what country would you choose to live in? Israel would be my choice. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Why is antisemitism almost always and exclusively dealing with hate towards jews? Are there not other forms of antisemetism? Quote
dub Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Why is antisemitism almost always and exclusively dealing with hate towards jews? Are there not other forms of antisemetism? those who use it constantly, like some of the posters on this board, have killed the meaning of anti-semitism. it's like they've claimed exclusivity to being victims of human rights and racism. even if they've never experienced it. they've become addicted to using past atrocities done onto others and presenting it as justification for violating others' human rights and committing racism on them. it's quite bizarre. Quote
kuzadd Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) semetic has to do with language. the language family from the middle east. 'This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others." Therefore being anti-semetic includes being discriminatory to people who speak any of the semetic languages. Besides Hebrew we see Arabic is included in that. I don't bother much with what PR(public relations) has morphed that phrase into, just the facts for me please. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people http://mb-soft.com/believe/txo/semites.htm Edited July 16, 2009 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
M.Dancer Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 I don't bother much with what PR(public relations) has morphed that phrase into, just the facts for me please. Because the jews were in Europe and it was they not the arabs that were victimized, the term has become one that mean the hatred of Jews. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Therefore being anti-semetic includes being discriminatory to people who speak any of the semetic languages. Bull sh!t...we all know what anti-Semitism means. Your incorrect definition is like saying we're all American since we come from the Americas. Tell that to a Venezuelan. Anti-Semitism can best be described as Judeophobia. While the etymological root suggests otherwise...it means Jews. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Muddy Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Again I ask ! What middle east country would you choose to live in if you had to as a Jew,Christian ,Jehovah Witness, Hindu or a godless? I know that I would not have to think twice. I like my arms and head where they are thank you! Quote
KrustyKidd Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 those who use it constantly, like some of the posters on this board, have killed the meaning of anti-semitism.it's like they've claimed exclusivity to being victims of human rights and racism. even if they've never experienced it. they've become addicted to using past atrocities done onto others and presenting it as justification for violating others' human rights and committing racism on them. it's quite bizarre. what are those past atrocities you refer to? Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
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