dub Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Israel has allowed a former U.S. congresswoman, Cynthia McKinney, to return home days after detaining her and other activists on board a ship carrying relief supplies for Gaza, a pro-Palestinian group said on Monday. Israeli authorities intercepted the vessel, which had 21 activists on board, on June 30 and said it would not be permitted to enter Gaza's coastal waters because of security risks in the area and an existing naval blockade. how fascist of israel. who else arrests and detains people for trying get relief supplies to those who desperately need it? Quote
kuzadd Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Had this ship been near Somalia, the screams of piracy would have been heard relentlessly. But, Israel in International waters no less, it apparently allowed to comandeer ships and kidnap the passengers? Under threat of attack! Sounds like piracy to me. It is a strange double standard. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 This is an outrage. She should have been at least made to stand trial for smuggling. I wonder how many rocket parts were in that smuggler's ship... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
KrustyKidd Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 This is an outrage. She should have been at least made to stand trial for smuggling.I wonder how many rocket parts were in that smuggler's ship... When will these nuts realize that until hamas stops using their cities and people as props to conduct terrorism, it is a war zone? The nut in question has a history of being a nut McKinney was defeated for re-election to the U.S. House of Representatives in 2006, not long after she scuffled with a Capitol Police officer at a security checkpoint. She was not charged in that incident but apologized for it. She owes Israel an apology in this case as do all the rest of the pony tailed losers for not understanding what a war zone and a blockade means. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) This is an outrage. She should have been at least made to stand trial for smuggling.I wonder how many rocket parts were in that smuggler's ship... Notice of course that the article said nothing of weapons one way or the other... And to begrudge a few "rocket part" smuggling hardly compares to the entirely illegal nuclear/bio/chem arsenal Israel illegally assembled in its short existence (against international law of course as we have come to expect of the gangster state). 17 years ago an Israeli 747 cargo jet on its way from New York to Tel Aviv crashed into an Amsterdam neighborhood, killing 40 people on the ground. It was the worst air disaster the Netherlands has experienced. If you don't remember reading about it, it's because news agancies in Canada and the US decided that it was a piece of news you really didn't need to know. Ordinarily such things are kept hushed up permanently, but what has caused this story to flare up recently is that a lot of people in the Amsterdam neighborhood where the crash occurred have been coming down with strange and serious ailments. The Israeli aircraft had among its cargo 50 gallons of dimethyl methylphosphonate -- DMMP for short -- which is a chemical for which the only known manufacturing use is the production of the nerve agent: sarin gas. Also on board were quantities of the other chemicals which are required, along with DMMP, to produce sarin. The Jews, of course, angrily insisted that their aircraft was carrying no "dangerous goods" over the Netherlands, that the DMMP on board was intended only for testing and research purposes, and that they aren't responsible for the sickness of the people who live near the crash site. I mean pick one of 1000 outrages and barefaced smuggling of REALLY dangerous weapons... When are we canadians simply going to integrally pull out of that squalid and crazed part of the globe? What possible advantage can we gain from involving ourselves there? Edited July 7, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 17 years ago an Israeli 747 cargo jet on its way from New York to Tel Aviv crashed into an Amsterdam neighborhood, killing 40 people on the ground. It was the worst air disaster the Netherlands has experienced. If you don't remember reading about it, it's because news agancies in Canada and the US decided that it was a piece of news you really didn't need to know. It was big news. Huge news. There was no media embargo. I stopped reading at that point cause I see no need to waste my time on idiotic conspiracy theories spouted by socially awkward adolescent tin foil hat kooks. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 The Israeli aircraft had among its cargo 50 gallons of dimethyl methylphosphonate -- DMMP for short -- which is a chemical for which the only known manufacturing use is the production of the nerve agent: sarin gas. Okay, I'm sucker for debunking conspiracy bullshit.... It can be found in household radiators, especially those installed in the former Soviet BlockThe primary commercial use of dimethyl methylphosphonate is as a flame retardant. Other commercial uses are a preignition additive for gasoline, anti-foaming agent, plasticizer, stabilizer, textile conditioner, antistatic agent, and an additive for solvents and low-temperature hydraulic fluids http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_methylphosphonate Now remember what lick wrote.....The only known use is sarin gas. I suggest he is 98% innacurate on all things Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 It was big news. Huge news. There was no media embargo. Of course it was huge...such a false claim is easily debunked. Let's start with the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/06/world/is...lane-crash.html I stopped reading at that point cause I see no need to waste my time on idiotic conspiracy theories spouted by socially awkward adolescent tin foil hat kooks. Well that's no fun....party pooper! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dub Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Posted July 7, 2009 She owes Israel an apology in this case as do all the rest of the pony tailed losers for not understanding what a war zone and a blockade means. lols. oh yeah. she totally owes israel an apology. Quote
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Okay, I'm sucker for debunking conspiracy bullshit....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_methylphosphonate Now remember what lick wrote.....The only known use is sarin gas. I suggest he is 98% innacurate on all things Dimethyl methylphosphonate "is a Chemical Weapons Convention schedule 2 chemical used in the synthesis of Sarin nerve gas. It can also be used as standalone as a simulant for sarin training exercises and for calibration of detectors. It is a suspected carcinogen." What is schedule 2 chemical standard of the Chemical Weapons Convention? "Manufacture must be declared as their production is subject to declaration to the OPCW per Part VII of the "Verification Annex", and they may not be exported to countries that are not party to the Convention" Isreal NEVER ADMITTED UNTIL 1998 (6 years after the crash) that it was transporting these restricted substances... It was lying for 6 years... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Of course it was huge...such a false claim is easily debunked. Let's start with the New York Times:http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/06/world/is...lane-crash.html Well that's no fun....party pooper! Predictably, your new york time article makes no mention of the CARGO ITSELF. It merely tries (as Israel usually does) to blame the crash on someone or something else... but of course no mention of the Israeli officials warning the Dutch people that their cargo was carrying a toxic and cancerous substance... that's rather reckless and treasonous considering all the cash the Ann Frank "museum" rakes in for Israel each year. This wouldn't be the first time Israel puts other nations (even their allies) in danger for their own selfish reasons. (Anyone remember the USS Liberty?) oh I can't wai to hear the tin foil hat ad hominems now! Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Predictably, your new york time article makes no mention of the CARGO ITSELF. It merely tries (as Israel usually does) to blame the crash on someone or something else... but of course no mention of the Israeli officials warning the Dutch people that their cargo was carrying a toxic and cancerous substance... But you posted the far more general premise that the crash wasn't reported widely at all. You were wrong...again. that's rather reckless and treasonous considering all the cash the Ann Frank "museum" rakes in for Israel each year. Treasonous for who? This wouldn't be the first time Israel puts other nations (even their allies) in danger for their own selfish reasons. (Anyone remember the USS Liberty?) oh I can't wai to hear the tin foil hat ad hominems now! The USS Liberty (AGTR-5) saga has already been discussed many times here at MLW.....by better conspiracy theorists. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 But you posted the far more general premise that the crash wasn't reported widely at all. You were wrong...again.Treasonous for who? The USS Liberty (AGTR-5) saga has already been discussed many times here at MLW.....by better conspiracy theorists. No the crash was reported... it wasn't given star billing as is customary for plane crashes... a few snippets here in there in Washington post New York times etc... But no mainstream media sources said anything about the Dutch reports of chemical deposits and concerns over sick and dying Dutch people for years until they where forced to 6 years after the fact- which should have been a crucial stipulation- as a Schedule 2 substance, Israel should have properly labeled and warned all the pertinent authorities of its cargo... BUT IT REFUSED TO DO SO... EVEN AFTER THEIR CARGO CRASHED and posed a direct threat to the Netherlands... EVEN AFTER DUTCH PEOPLE WERE DYING AND hospitalized with all sorts of bizarre ailments. Even worst: THE ISRAELIS HUSHED UP ANY REPORTS THAT THE PLANE WAS CARRYING ANY potentially dangerous substance... IT LIED AFTER IT WAS CAUGHT! YEAH!: the Israeli government’s explanation was that radioactive counterweights were present in all early models of the 747s and that that's what was causing the sickness! The official investigation revealed that the chemicals came from Solkatronic Chemicals Inc., an American company based both in Pennsylvania and at 30 Two Bridges Road, Fairfield, NJ 07004-1530. The authorities also reported that the amount of DMMP on board the aircraft was enough to produce up to 594 pounds of Sarin, and that three of the four main components needed for Sarin production were on the plane- eliminating any doubt as to what the Israeli's where up to. That's simply criminal. More then that: it borders on an act of war. Also, what's more important here is that: ISRAEL HAS NO BUSINESS MANUFACTURING CHEMICAL WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. No country on earth is allowed to manufacture them, they're against International Law. It turns out that only 2 countries have failed to ratify the CWC treaty: Burma and of course: ISRAEL. Israel signed the CWC treaty, but deceitfully still secretly producing Chemical Weapons such as VX nerve agent, sarin and many other such weapons. Again in deliberate violation of international law. Israel should not even be ALLOWED to transport schedule 1 or 2 chemicals- as it failed to ratify the treaty! Yet it surreptitiously does and even lies about it when it kills its own allies! Once you have DMMP, a high school chemistry student can make sarin with it and a few other easily available chemicals. Let's remember that Israel has the most horrendous Human Rights record in the World, and the most Geneva conventions violations against her (oddly enough the same Geneva conventions used to criminalize the Nazis), Israel is a country which sends its agents into other countries to squirt exotic poisons into the ears of religious leaders it believes are hostile to the Jews. A country with such a record has certainly no business being near any such weapon as Sarin. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 No the crash was reported... it wasn't given star billing as is customary for plane crashes... a few snippets here in there in Washington post New York times etc... blah blah blahas Sarin. You are supposed to wrap in quotes the copied and pasted content, otherwise you are treating us as fools and your are plagiarizing. The site where lickity copies most of his post is here... http://www.washington-report.org/backissue...98/9812019.html Such a dishonest poster I'm sure I have never seen... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 It was lying for 6 years... You mean that stuff you claim has only one purpose? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 You are supposed to wrap in quotes the copied and pasted content, otherwise you are treating us as fools and your are plagiarizing.The site where lickity copies most of his post is here... http://www.washington-report.org/backissue...98/9812019.html Such a dishonest poster I'm sure I have never seen... M.Dancer.... ISRAEL ADMITTED 6 YEARS AFTER THAT IT WAS SHIPPING SCHEDULE 2 substances. As the New York times 1992 article quoted by Bush_Cheney... the Israelis KEPT SILENT ABOUT THE CARGO for all of 6 years, even as Dutch people were dying and suffering. Israel, HAS NOT YET RATIFIED THE CWC treaty... and thus, has no right to even be in the business of touching Schedule 1 & 2 substances. (Israel is virtually alone in the world on this- out of the 188 out of the 190 member states to have agreed to the treaty only Burma and Israel have failed to ratify it) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention NO COUNTRY HAS THE RIGHT TO MANUFACTURE SARIN, yet by its own admission: ISRAEL DOES and still retains a huge stock pile of it to this day! read the entire article you quoted only the dutch news paper source is similar... a tiny segment... not even useful to an indictment of Israel here. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 http://reviews.canadiantire.ca/9045/40349/category.htm Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 You are supposed to wrap in quotes the copied and pasted content, otherwise you are treating us as fools and your are plagiarizing.The site where lickity copies most of his post is here... http://www.washington-report.org/backissue...98/9812019.html Such a dishonest poster I'm sure I have never seen... dishonest? We are talking about an incident in which Israel violated niternational law... it caused death and injury by not disclosing (against international law and CWC statutes) that it was transporting Schedule 2 chemical substances. again: What are schedule 2 chemical standard of the Chemical Weapons Convention? "Manufacture must be declared as their production is subject to declaration to the OPCW per Part VII of the "Verification Annex", and they may not be exported to countries that are not party to the Convention" Isreal NEVER ADMITTED UNTIL 1998 (6 years after the crash) that it was transporting these restricted substances... It was lying for 6 years... and its obfuscation and deliberate cover-up (itslef a crime) also caused the death and injury of many in the netherlands... You call me dishonest for bringing up a tiny fraction of a report on the additional info on the cargo revealed by a dutch investigation, yet you refuse to acknowledge the obvious Israeli transgression of international law, calling it a "conspiracy theory" of all things! Everything is a conspiracy if it doesn't serve your argument isn't it dancer? How many times have you used that word? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 dishonest? Dishonest or stupid. 1) Claims the crash event news was surpressed 2) Claims the chemcal has only one use 3) Plagiarizes web content and that's just this thread Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Dishonest or stupid. 1) Claims the crash event news was surpressed 2) Claims the chemcal has only one use 3) Plagiarizes web content and that's just this thread NO.. you see now YOU'RE BEING DISHONEST: THE NEWS OF THE CRASH WAS NOT SUPPRESSED... it did not receive the STAR BILLING it obviously deserved for a plane crash (no CNN segment) but it WAS REPORTED. what was NOT REPORTED: for ALL OF 6 YEARS was the ILLEGAL CARGO IN THE ISRAELI PLANE. that was kept silent.... until they had no choice to report it after a Dutch investigation was made. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 NO.. you see now YOU'RE BEING DISHONEST: THE NEWS OF THE CRASH WAS NOT SUPPRESSED... it did not receive the STAR BILLING it obviously deserved for a plane crash (no CNN segment) but it WAS REPORTED. You should do yourself a favouur and start a green book... If you don't remember reading about it, it's because news agancies in Canada and the US decided that it was a piece of news you really didn't need to know I'm not sure how you can prove it wasn't on CNN.....but go ahead Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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