KingIggy Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politi...article1165547/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Chriton Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politi...article1165547/ Just be glad we don't have a someone more leftist elected like Obama. We'd be in a lot worse shape debt wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingIggy Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 1) This is Canada, not the US. 2) Obama could not be our PM. 3) He inherited a huge debt from Bush (which rightwingers ignore). 4) Obama's plan is to reduce the debt over the next 8 years, we have a while to wait to see if he does this. 5) In Canada, the Libs have done better than so called fiscally responsible Cons like Mulroney and Harper in balancing budgets. Heck, even Lorne Calvert & the Saskatchewan NDP outperformed the Cons in fiscal discipline... LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borg Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politi...article1165547/ Well, the libs would have simply wiped out the deficit for one year by dipping into the money they stole and hid in those nice "unauditable" little side corporations. Only they know where the bodies are buried. Perhaps Corbeil will reveal the truth - heaven knows the average lib has been a thief for years - after all they do have that "entitlement" attitude. Bet the creature is a bit nervous right at the moment - wonder how much he got from it all lib = entitlement = crooks Borg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 The Libs and NDP would have run this deficit and more. It was the opposition that keeps saying the CPC is not spending enough and not doing more to fight the recession. Yet now they scream about the deficit. Meanwhile I agree that the CPC is not acting conservatively as I see it as an old Reformer. Meanwhile the hypocrits who ask, demanded ,stimulus what they wanted. A pox on all their houses. I am in the automotive repair business. Guess what ? I have just helped with our tax dollars to prop up my competition. I am being punished for being successful and running my company in the black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingIggy Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) Stop playing pin the tail on the lefty. It's the Northern Neo-Cons ball, it's in their court, and they must accept full responsibility for turning a LARGE SURPLUS into MASSIVE RIGHTWING DEBT. Take responsibility for your rightwing actions ! There is NO proof that "the left would have done worse" because the left is not in power. Also, the left tends to raise taxes in order to PROPERLY FUND budgets. Rightwingers LOSE ! Edited June 4, 2009 by KingIggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffrey Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 If Iggy was in power, he'd spend more. He keeps on Harper for not spending fast enough. So really, what would he do to not have a deficit? We know Iggy would be first in line behind Bush in Iraq. We know he's behind Afghanistan. So we'd be spending even more fighting in Iraq if Iggy was the man. So really, where does he balance the budget? By raising taxes? Oh ya. That's it. He's going to crank up our taxes like you've never seen before. You want that? Or are you such a brainwashed hack that you can't see past your little red flag waving on your front lawn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingIggy Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Rightwingers close their eyes to the truth. Small blind minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachary Young Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I'm not sure why I came here today. The comments proceeding me do not seem very wise. The left attacks the right, the right attacks the left, this is a dumb tired boring game I have played many times before. What sense does the left right spectrum make anyway? The right says that communists are left wing and the left says that fascists are right wing, and everyone agrees that liberals (in the N.A. sense) are a bunch of whiny pansies that need to man up and grow a pair but it's just all so arbitrary. I mean what's the difference between the international socialism of the communists and the national socialism of the nazi's? They both grant the state total control over my life - which is not something I am willing to do, obviously. Here's a better scale. Let's start with freedom and work our way back to authoritarianism, if you really want to think one dimensionally. How many of my actions are a product of my voluntary choice, and how many are done under compulsion of violence and coercion? Of course the right wants debt. Spending is power. The left wants it too. Everyone in this fucking world wants power, you think politicians are going to be different? And it's not that power itself is necessarily bad, it's only when you mix it with violence and coercion. Oops, too late! Well let's not worry about that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingIggy Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 If Harper walks the same path as Bush, he will be called a NEO-CON FASCIST. The truth is the truth. 1) Wreckless tax cuts (just like Bush) 2) Increased military funding (just like Bush) 3) Increased drug war (just like Bush) 4) Increased national debt (just like Bush) 5) Republican style attack ads (just like Bush). 6) False, hypocritical claims of "fiscal conservatism" (like the Republicans). 7) Failed attempts at banishing party moderates (just like Cheney tried with Powell). 8) Let (CPP) CEO's keep huge bonuses while their corporation LOSES money (something Bush-like for sure). 9) No boosting of the social safety net (EI) during recession (like Bush). 10) Little or no plan for environment (just like Bush). If Layton or Iggy walk the same policy path as Commies they will be called Commies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Everyone wants to blame the politicians for the problems we have. If they had real control of society then this would be a valid case of finger pointing. The truth however is that business calls the ball, they are the tail wagging the government dog. The rise of corporate governance has yet to be viewed by the "experts" for what it is. That is unfortunate for the citizens, but it does provide a nice little smokescreen for the power brokers while giving governments the smelly end of the stick. It has worked so well, that old divide and conquer strategy, that nobody has bothered to say anything when organizations begin to appear that have nothing to do with the private ventures that is the operational meet of their business venture. The World Trade Organization, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, groups of very powerful people working together to conduct operations beyond their countries of origin. Multinational and transnational business are the rule of thumb these days, and buzz words like global economies and economies of scale. Kiss goodbye any thought of traditional values and heritage, open the doors to child labour, environmental harm and economic terrorism perpetrated by the folks that really call the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffrey Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Rightwingers close their eyes to the truth.Small blind minds. By the quality of your responses to criticism, I'm sure your mental capacity must be below the average conservatives. Great response. Criticism? Nah. Just ignore and dismiss everyone has idiots. That's funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 The truth is the truth. A truth is a truth. What kind of a truth? It's a truth. A truth is a truth, and when you have a good truth, it's because it's truthful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 A truth is a truth. What kind of a truth? It's a truth. A truth is a truth, and when you have a good truth, it's because it's truthful. ...ain't that the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingIggy Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 If only dumb Neo-Cons would raise taxes on the rich and use that revenue to fund their authoritarian spending orgy. But Noooooooo...... Bush taxing the rich at 30% is freedom, but Obama raising their taxes by 7% is Socialism... lol. Tax revenue helps balance budgets !!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machjo Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 The conservative Party of Canada is not an economically conservative party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 And it has to place Liberal socially. The reality is, most Canadians aren't conservative. They want a balanced budget, high government service, and socially liberal policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machjo Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 And it has to place Liberal socially. The reality is, most Canadians aren't conservative. They want a balanced budget, high government service, and socially liberal policies. The Liberal and Green parties, and maybe even the NDP are likely to be more able to balance the budget than the Conservatives, mainly owing to the willingness on the part of the NDP and Liberals to raise taxes, and possibly the Green Party too even though during the election it was for a revenue neutral tax shift. I support reducing government spending, but a government must not shy away from tax increases if it's going to increase spending. I'm not very fond of the stimulous package as it is, but if we are going to do that, then at least have the courage to admit that taxes will need to go up to cover this. The Conservatives are good at cutting taxes, but not so good at reducing spending. Granted the others aren't good at reducing spending either, but their willingness to raise taxes to cover it makes them more honest and brave and fiscaly conservative than the Conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 The Liberal and Green parties, and maybe even the NDP are likely to be more able to balance the budget than the Conservatives, mainly owing to the willingness on the part of the NDP and Liberals to raise taxes, and possibly the Green Party too even though during the election it was for a revenue neutral tax shift.I support reducing government spending, but a government must not shy away from tax increases if it's going to increase spending. I'm not very fond of the stimulous package as it is, but if we are going to do that, then at least have the courage to admit that taxes will need to go up to cover this. The Conservatives are good at cutting taxes, but not so good at reducing spending. Granted the others aren't good at reducing spending either, but their willingness to raise taxes to cover it makes them more honest and brave and fiscaly conservative than the Conservatives. I just don't see how it can be judicious for political parties to ask voters to follow them in bravery for the sake of balancing budgets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 If Harper walks the same path as Bush, he will be called a NEO-CON FASCIST.The truth is the truth. 1) Wreckless tax cuts (just like Bush) 1) This is Canada, not the US. 2) Increased military funding (just like Bush) 1) This is Canada, not the US. 3) Increased drug war (just like Bush) 1) This is Canada, not the US. 4) Increased national debt (just like Bush) 1) This is Canada, not the US. 5) Republican style attack ads (just like Bush). 1) This is Canada, not the US. 6) False, hypocritical claims of "fiscal conservatism" (like the Republicans). 1) This is Canada, not the US. 7) Failed attempts at banishing party moderates (just like Cheney tried with Powell). 1) This is Canada, not the US. 8) Let (CPP) CEO's keep huge bonuses while their corporation LOSES money (something Bush-like for sure). 1) This is Canada, not the US. 9) No boosting of the social safety net (EI) during recession (like Bush). 1) This is Canada, not the US. 10) Little or no plan for environment (just like Bush). 1) This is Canada, not the US. If Layton or Iggy walk the same policy path as Commies they will be called Commies. Anything else you want to blither on about, child? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Canada now sees what the Alliance Party can do for the country, and most Canadians knew it and that is why Harper or McKay changed the name of the party, would you vote for the Alliance Party? I wonder if McKay has regrets, especially seeing how the Mulroney trial is working out ? I don't think this party know what it is. One members said that this is not the PC's and yet they take credit for John Diefenbaker accomplishments? It seems the former PC members are still PC and the Alliance are trying to remember they are CONServatives! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Hey you anti-Canadian TRAITOR, you want to fracture Canada and make Alberta the 51st state... you are worse than a child, you are a TOTAL FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.Just fucking move to Texas if you wanna be near Bush, you fucking Neo-Con MORON. Thanks for the suggestion. You are obviously very mature. Actually, I would like to be the part of the 51st state...not a bad idea at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Thanks for the suggestion. You are obviously very mature.Actually, I would like to be the part of the 51st state...not a bad idea at all. Won't happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 It would be preferable to staying in this taxed to death nanny state of Canada! Of course sovereignty would be my first choice, just because I am not to keen about the USA's foreign policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machjo Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 I just don't see how it can be judicious for political parties to ask voters to follow them in bravery for the sake of balancing budgets. Well, if they're not willing to increase taxes, then they forfeit the moral right to increase spending. To increase spending and then refuse to increase taxes or even promote more tax cuts is plain deveiving and dishonest. If I had a choice between a candidate to reduce spending, yet still willing to increase taxes if need be to balance the budget, and another promissing tax cuts but no commensurate spending cuts, I'd vote for the first one for his honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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