Michael Ignatieff in Hamilton

noahbody · May 27, 2009

Dude, I was there in Edmonton when the rednecks eggs the train during a massive heckling session.

Was that before or after he gave those rednecks in Salmon Arm the finger? And wouldn't you agree that egg-throwing would kinda indicate that he failed at uniting the country?

Borg · May 27, 2009

And wouldn't you agree that egg-throwing would kinda indicate that he failed at uniting the country?

Not if you are a liberal.

Borg

August1991 · May 27, 2009

This has my blood boiling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just watched that video. I must admit the arrogance is off the charts. What makes it more galling is that Ignatieff wasn't around to be involved in this so-called Liberal construction of Canada.

As someone noted above, if this is how Ignatieff plays it during a campaign, his negatives are going to skyrocket.

Jerry J. Fortin · May 27, 2009

Was that before or after he gave those rednecks in Salmon Arm the finger? And wouldn't you agree that egg-throwing would kinda indicate that he failed at uniting the country?

I have not the faintest idea, but I imagine if you dig deep enough you could find that out. My intent was merely to provide an eyewitness account, I was there.

Jerry J. Fortin · May 27, 2009

I just watched that video. I must admit the arrogance is off the charts. What makes it more galling is that Ignatieff wasn't around to be involved in this so-called Liberal construction of Canada.
As someone noted above, if this is how Ignatieff plays it during a campaign, his negatives are going to skyrocket.

Lets wait and see shall we. I am now hoping for something to happen one way or another to see these two guys face off. I don't mean the hype and media, Harper can outspend Iggy by about 10 to 1 if recent reports and comments are accurate.

Molly · May 27, 2009

Gadz! You guys talk as though you've never heard a campaign speech before, for any party!

News for you: that's how it's done. If you think that's arrogance, go hear a few more from any party, and get your toenails curled by the self-congratulations. I've sat in on a few that even curdled the party faithful... and they weren't Liberal campaign speeches!

August1991 · May 28, 2009

Gadz! You guys talk as though you've never heard a campaign speech before, for any party!
News for you: that's how it's done. If you think that's arrogance, go hear a few more from any party, and get your toenails curled by the self-congratulations. I've sat in on a few that even curdled the party faithful... and they weren't Liberal campaign speeches!

Uh Molly, I think that's the problem. When Ignatieff tries to be partisan, it just comes across as arrogant.

jdobbin · May 28, 2009

When Ignatieff tries to be partisan, it just comes across as arrogant.

And when Harper does it, he comes across as angry.

Jerry J. Fortin · May 28, 2009

Your spin is decidedly partisan, while we do not fault you for it. We accept it as your opinion.

Smallc · May 28, 2009

When Ignatieff tries to be partisan, it just comes across as arrogant.

Uh August....that's because you don't like him.

August1991 · May 28, 2009

And when Harper does it, he comes across as angry.

Since we're discussing negatives here, it seems to me that alot of Ignatieff's support derives from people who just don't like Stephen Harper. Well, the same thing is going to happen to Ignatieff; he is going to rub some people the wrong way.

I can certainly understand why Cameron in the OP found the video very irritating.

Jerry J. Fortin · May 28, 2009

If that irritates them, they are a tadd thin skinned.

Smallc · May 28, 2009

it seems to me that alot of Ignatieff's support derives from people who just don't like Stephen Harper.

Well, those people...and the people who traditionally vote Liberal (who jsut stayed home last time)...and...and.

But while we're on the subject, it seems to me that alot of people that support Harper only do so because they hate Liberals.

jdobbin · May 28, 2009

Since we're discussing negatives here, it seems to me that alot of Ignatieff's support derives from people who just don't like Stephen Harper. Well, the same thing is going to happen to Ignatieff; he is going to rub some people the wrong way.

Very true.

I can certainly understand why Cameron in the OP found the video very irritating.

And it is why some people can just look at a picture of Harper and think he is a mean person who they would never want to vote for.

Jerry J. Fortin · May 28, 2009

Harper was an author of the Alberta Firewall letter, when he changed his position, so did I.

Topaz · May 28, 2009

This has my blood boiling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"We built this country"

"We are the natural governing party in Canada"

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I don't know what to say...I'm shaking I'm so pissed off at those remarks...

Why angry, Iggy's right. The Progressive Conservatives and the Liberals were the main parties and since the voters only left TWO conservatives left under the PC's and now with the PC's are gone forever and a NEW party the Conservatives, that make the Liberals the original party of Canada.

Smallc · May 28, 2009

Not to mention that the Liberals have usually formed the government.

August1991 · May 28, 2009

And it is why some people can just look at a picture of Harper and think he is a mean person who they would ever want to vote for.

And here I thought the Progressive Left wanted politics to be based on practical issues and not the mere appearance of someone.

At least what some people find objectionable in Ignatieff is what he says.

Anyway, Dobbin. It appears that modern federal politics in Canada has become a contest of negatives. I'm betting that the people who will never vote for Ignatieff will be more than those who will never vote for Harper. We also know that Harper has about 35% of the vote regardless of what scary image the opposition cooks up.

Why angry, Iggy's right. The Progressive Conservatives and the Liberals were the main parties and since the voters only left TWO conservatives left under the PC's and now with the PC's are gone forever and a NEW party the Conservatives, that make the Liberals the original party of Canada.

The last time that I checked Wikipedia, Sir John A. Macdonald was the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada. (Topaz, you might want to find out how the word progressive got mixed in there.)

Smallc · May 28, 2009

We also know that Harper has about 35% of the vote regardless of what scary image the opposition cooks up.

We do? How?

jdobbin · May 28, 2009

And here I thought the Progressive Left wanted politics to be based on practical issues and not the mere appearance of someone.

I think it has been demonstrated pretty clearly what type of person Harper is. His look to some reinforces it.

At least what some people find objectionable in Ignatieff is what he says.

Really? Is that why the Tory website thinks it is objectionable that he drinks espresso? Not that I know what he drinks. Seems the Tories are very interested though.

Anyway, Dobbin. It appears that modern federal politics in Canada has become a contest of negatives. I'm betting that the people who will never vote for Ignatieff will be more than those who will never vote for Harper. We also know that Harper has about 35% of the vote regardless of what scary image the opposition cooks up.

And my bet is you're wrong.

capricorn · May 28, 2009

People like my grandparents built this country.
Dippers, Grits and Tory's built this country.

NOT JUST THE LIBERALS.

I hope some brave journalist asks Ignatieff "Who built Canada?"

I would love to see him try to defend his answer that a political party built the Country, namely the Liberals. Or maybe Ignatieff would change his answer to suit the audience. This has been known to happen.

And to smallc. The fact that the Liberals were in power most years since Confederation does not make them the pillar of the federation.

In reality, what does Ignatieff know about the Liberals he leads? Ten general elections were held during his absence. What does he know about the twists and turns the party took, and their ups and downs during the three decades he lived outside Canada? Even Bob Rae has a better understanding of what the Liberals are about.

Smallc · May 28, 2009

And to smallc. The fact that the Liberals were in power most years since Confederation does not make them the pillar of the federation.

It is the Liberal party that was in power through most of the countries history. They have had a large influence in shaping the direction of this amazing place in which we live. I don't deny that others helped build the country, but the Liberals certainly played a large part...on, and nice try bringing up how long he was gone.

Borg · May 28, 2009

It is the Liberal party that was in power through most of the countries history. They have had a large influence in shaping the direction of this amazing place in which we live. I don't deny that others helped build the country, but the Liberals certainly played a large part...on, and nice try bringing up how long he was gone.

Thay also f***ed it away in many places

There are not many people who can be considered good & libs today - the definitions simply do not go hand in hand any more

Borg

Smallc · May 28, 2009

Thay also f***ed it away in many places

They did? The parts of Canada that don't like Liberals are ironically the ones who in recent times did best under them. We live in such an amazing place, to say that any place has been destroyed by a government is laughable.

Topaz · May 28, 2009

Since we're discussing negatives here, it seems to me that alot of Ignatieff's support derives from people who just don't like Stephen Harper. Well, the same thing is going to happen to Ignatieff; he is going to rub some people the wrong way.
I can certainly understand why Cameron in the OP found the video very irritating.

Can you guess why some Canadians may not LIKE Harper?? I have nothing against him personally, I just don't think he makes a good PM for the country. He doesn't brings Canadians together, he's secretive, he's bullish at times, the list goes on.