Canada's immigration policy.

[Smallc]

These are self-reported numbers.

Well, they're better than your non existant ones.

[benny]

As opposed to French culture - which in Quebec had them drowning half their north and kicking out all the natives so they could flood it and create giant hydro dams.

Same thing as for English culture!

[Leafless]

It is increasingly obvious that a common language is needed, but English fails to fulfil the role.

The English language rules the internet:

Top Ten Languages Used in the Web

( Number of Internet Users by Language )

TOP TEN LANGUAGES

IN THE INTERNET

Internet Users

by Language

Internet

Penetration

by Language

Growth

in Internet

( 2000 - 2008 )

Internet Users

% of Total

World Population

for this Language

(2008 Estimate)

English

463,790,410

37.2 %

226.7 %

29.1 %

1,247,862,351

Chinese

321,361,613

23.5 %

894.8 %

20.1 %

1,365,138,028

Spanish

130,775,144

32.0 %

619.3 %

8.2 %

408,760,807

Japanese

94,000,000

73.8 %

99.7 %

5.9 %

127,288,419

French

73,609,362

17.8 %

503.4 %

4.6 %

414,043,695

Portuguese

72,555,800

29.7 %

857.7 %

4.5 %

244,080,690

German

65,243,673

67.7 %

135.5 %

4.1 %

96,402,666

Arabic

41,396,600

14.2 %

1,545.2 %

2.6 %

291,073,346

Russian

38,000,000

27.0 %

1,125.8 %

2.4 %

140,702,094

Korean

36,794,800

51.9 %

93.3 %

2.3 %

70,944,739

TOP 10 LANGUAGES

1,337,527,402

30.4 %

329.2 %

83.8 %

4,406,296,835

Rest of the Languages

258,742,706

11.2 %

424.5 %

16.2 %

2,303,732,235

WORLD TOTAL

1,596,270,108

23.8 %

342.2

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm

[benny]

A common language is needed only if we have something to communicate.

[Leafless]

You simplify the situation too much by just throwing all the blame on all French-speakers without acknnowledgeing any diversity among us and among English-speakers too, trying to portray all English-speakers with halos floating over their heads and all French-speakers as holding tridents and having horns on their heads.

I am not simplifying anything.

I recognize the diversity of a multi-cultural country.

But in saying this all Canadian citizens have an obligation to conform to the way the countries liberties have defined a polital/cultural direction.

To have a PM forcibly change the political/cultural direction (to his personal ideologies) without the approval of the countries citizens is directly changing the nature of the countries free and democratic status to that of a dictatorship.

This of course oppresses and discriminates against the citizens of Canada.

[Leafless]

A common language is needed only if we have something to communicate.

The internet proves that we do have something to communicate.

Edited May 27, 2009 by Leafless

[benny]

I am not simplifying anything.

I recognize the diversity of a multi-cultural country.

But in saying this all Canadian citizens have an obligation to conform to the way the countries liberties have defined a polital/cultural direction.

To have a PM forcibly change the political/cultural direction (to his personal ideologies) without the approval of the countries citizens is directly changing the nature of the countries free and democratic status to that of a dictatorship.

This of course oppresses and discriminates against the citizens of Canada.

I think you are confusing Canada with Cuba and Trudeau with Castro.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I think you are confusing Canada with Cuba and Trudeau with Castro.

There is a difference isn't there............

[benny]

The Internet proves that we do have something to communicate.

Internet seems more a place to show off and expel frustrations than a place to communicate.

[Leafless]

To which province did Trudeau send the troops again?

Correct me if I am wrong, but did Trudeau, as a PM, have any REAL choice not to send the troops into Quebec?

And note, that Trudeau only SUSPENDED some civil liberties in Montreal and not REMOVE them permanently as he did changing the political/cultural direction of this country with a series of policies including parts of the Charter.

This was also when the Front de Liberation Quebecois (Quebec Liberation Front, or FLQ) began its campaign of bombings across the province. They were inspired by Marxist ideology, especially by the Cuban Revolution, and sporadically planted bombs, including at the Montreal Stock Exchange, beginning in 1963. The FLQ's campaign came to a head in 1970 with the kidnappings of British trade commissioner James Cross and Pierre Laporte, Quebec's Minister of Labor. The kidnappings prompted Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau to declare martial law in Montreal and suspend some civil liberties. Although the crisis ended with Laporte's murder (Cross was released unharmed), Canadians, both French and English, approved of Trudeau's actions and viewed the FLQ as a rogue band of extremists, which they were.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/quebec.htm

Edited May 27, 2009 by Leafless

[Leafless]

I think you are confusing Canada with Cuba and Trudeau with Castro.

Trudeau WAS Castro's freind or buddy.

It was completely expected that Cuban dictator Fidel Castro showed up for Trudeau’s state funeral on October 5, after he declared three days of mourning in his totalitarian state. The two were great buddies ever since Trudeau visited Cuba in 1973 and proclaimed "Viva Castro!"

http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=22480

[benny]

No doubt, a lot a Canadians, like me, would be ashamed if Canada immigration minister would be renamed assimilation minister.

[Leafless]

No doubt, a lot a Canadians, like me, would be ashamed if Canada immigration minister would be renamed assimilation minister.

I think Canada should have an assimilation minister as it seems many Canadians, like you, prefer a dictatorial type country.

[benny]

I think Canada should have an assimilation minister as it seems many Canadians, like you, prefer a dictatorial type country.

No doubt, most Canadians, like me, don't want slavery-like policy.

[g_bambino]

French and Aboriginal minorities in Canada are not really minorities but are 'politcally correct' minorities and are fed privledges invented by a French PM...

When did Canada ever have a PM from France? I mean, in the real world and not Leafless Land.

[g_bambino]

You really want proof do you?

Yes, proof is necessary to back up your argument, which is why it is you who needs the proof, not I. But, it's still lacking; a bunch of quotations about diversity and immigration thrown together does not an argument make. You still need evidence to support your claim that the two concepts were used in tandem specifically to destroy "white Canadian culture" (which, as of yet, still remains undefined by you).

[benny]

Yes, proof is necessary to back up your argument, which is why it is you who needs the proof, not I. But, it's still lacking; a bunch of quotations about diversity and immigration thrown together does not an argument make. You still need evidence to support your claim that the two concepts were used in tandem specifically to destroy "white Canadian culture" (which, as of yet, still remains undefined by you).

Also, French seems less white than English for Leftless.

[Leafless]

When did Canada ever have a PM from France? I mean, in the real world and not Leafless Land.

The PM in question is not from France as this thread is under 'federal politics'.

Why would I be talking about a PM from France and Aboriginals in the same post?

Obviously I am talking about the Canadian French and Aboriginals as the 'politically correct' minorities.

[g_bambino]

The PM in question is not from France as this thread is under 'federal politics'.

You're the one who said it was a French prime minister.

[Leafless]

Yes, proof is necessary to back up your argument, which is why it is you who needs the proof, not I. But, it's still lacking; a bunch of quotations about diversity and immigration thrown together does not an argument make. You still need evidence to support your claim that the two concepts were used in tandem specifically to destroy "white Canadian culture" (which, as of yet, still remains undefined by you).

The quotes were from 'Trudeau's Legacy' with immigrants (refugees, Asians, Ethiopians, homosexuals etc.) associated from the Trudeau Utopian era and thanking him for the policies he implemented which DID IN FACT greatly dilute the 'White, English speaking Canadian culture'.

This is absolute proof Trudeau's policies immigration policies, official languages policy, multiculturalism policy and parts of the Charter were successful in destroying Canada's 'white, English speaking culture'.

This is of course in the process, included destroying past Canadian Liberities, that were responsible for the successful creation of the 'White, English speaking culture' in Canada.

White, English speaking Canadian culture was defined. You will have to go back and read it.

Any Canadian who is interested knows how Trudeau's policies transformed 'White Canada' by just checking out the racial populations of cities like Toronto, Ontario.

[Leafless]

You're the one who said it was a French prime minister.

He is a French PM although he did look part Indian, didn't he.

You want to play semantics you can go and play with yourself.

[g_bambino]

He is a French PM although he did look part Indian, didn't he.

François Fillon is a French PM. Not sure if he used to look different, whether part Indian or not, though.

You want to play semantics you can go and play with yourself.

Ah, but I'm only playing your game of semantics, Leafless; it's glaringly evident that you pick and choose your words in order to paint your desired picture: you chose to say the incorrect "French" instead of the accurate "Canadian", "Franco-Canadian", or "Quebecer" in order to give an intonation of foreignness to Pierre Trudeau. Perhaps you're just upset over being beaten at your own game.

_[copyedited]

Edited May 27, 2009 by g_bambino

[Machjo]

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm

From that same website of yours:

Growth

in Internet

( 2000 - 2008 )

English: 226.7 %

Chinese: 894.8 %

Spanish: 619.3 %

Japanese: 99.7 %

French: 503.4 %

Portuguese: 857.7 %

German: 135.5 %

Arabic: 1,545.2 %

Russian: 1,125.8 %

Korean: 93.3 %

Growth rate is more important than current figures sinse it shows future trends. The performance of English is proving pretty mediocre there. And then what about the quality? I've read sites in English that I had to try to decipher and still coudn't be sure that I'd understood them correctly. Add to that that English has penetrated no more than 37.2 %of the internet so far. It might seem impressive, but when we consider how English has been touted as the world language ever sinse the 1950's at least, we'd think it should have penetrated more of a market than that. And if we look at the language growth rates, it looks like the percentage of English-language websites is set not to grow, but shrink.

[Machjo]

A common language is needed only if we have something to communicate.

And some people are quite happy living in their caves, and so have barely a use for their mother tongue, let alone a second language.

[Machjo]

I am not simplifying anything.

I recognize the diversity of a multi-cultural country.

But in saying this all Canadian citizens have an obligation to conform to the way the countries liberties have defined a polital/cultural direction.

To have a PM forcibly change the political/cultural direction (to his personal ideologies) without the approval of the countries citizens is directly changing the nature of the countries free and democratic status to that of a dictatorship.

This of course oppresses and discriminates against the citizens of Canada.

I think ou're missing something here. I'm not much of a fan of Official Bilingualism, at least as it's currently defined, myself. However, I also believe that in spite of my beliefs, most Canadians do support it. If they wouldn't, I'm sure it would have disappeared long ago. And seeing that French Canadians form but a minority of Canada's population, and that even some French Canadians oppose Official Bilingualism, at least in its current form, that leaves but one possibility: that many English Canadians support it, some even more so than their French-speaking counterparts. So if you want to blame anyone for our current Official Bilingualism, it's clear that blindly pointing the finger at French Canadians is a pretty ad hoc way of solving this.