Canada's immigration policy.

[CANADIEN]

When the phone rings, it may be Statistics Canada calling. This Agency is fighting prejudices by systematically asking if one wants to answer in English or in French, especially when the answer may be obvious.

Didn't know it. Mind you, when it's a poll or an attempt to sell me something, the call doesn't last long enough for anyone to ask that type of question. :lol:

[benny]

Didn't know it. Mind you, when it's a poll or an attempt to sell me something, the call doesn't last long enough for anyone to ask that type of question. :lol:

You hang the phone on Statscan, you risk having to pay a fine.

[Griz]

Close the door - don't let Americas overflow to come in either - we have just enough - a nice mix - and a culture that is BARELY manageable - any more and we will have chaos that we see begining to brew in the EU - and the American south western states - CLOSE THE DOOR AND LOCK IT> With global economy taking a nose dive - it is pure insanity to burden our selves with more ------------------------------either send a message to China and tell them to send every body here - or no one...if you get my drift - sooner or later you have to lock the door and not let any more neighours squat....more is not better...those that want more immigration are experimenting on this nation - they are NOT Canadians - they are Trotskite globalist lunitics..

Yup! Ship all you land squatting terrorists back to Europe and the UK and that'll solve all the problems! The only difference is this time round the boats will have showers! So when you walk off that boat in Europe or the UK, you will surely smell like a rose!

[benny]

Yup! Ship all you land squatting terrorists back to Europe and the UK and that'll solve all the problems! The only difference is this time round the boats will have showers! So when you walk off that boat in Europe or the UK, you will surely smell like a rose!

You better inspect all containers!

[Guest Mich]

I agree 99% with Argus & have so for the last 3-5 years or so.

I started to become racist when I moved to Mississauga from Toronto b/c I moved in with someone. I wouldn't have moved there otherwise.

When we split, I couldn't move back to Toronto b/c the rent prices had gone through the roof.

I then moved to Brampton thinking I could handle it, but even though there were more white people there, the ones I came across were much lower class. No offense to anyone.

I was once a person who loved many different ethnic backgrounds.

I grew up from the age of 18 when we moved to TO, hanging out with almost every ethnic background one could imagine although there weren't a lot of E. Indians or Pakistanis around back then. (if any that I remember).

I have since changed my views.

Whether it's b/c I don't have the patience anymore I don't know, but I can't stand that both Canada & the US don't give a damm about testing immigrant's English skills while they go thru the immigration process.

I mean really, why should I have to suffer b/c they are too lazy to learn the language of this country, not to mention the #1 Universal language pretty well worldwide.

Why are they are allowed to put up signs ONLY in their language just b/c it's called China town or mainly Russians or Iranians live there?

It's still Canada.

I love trying different foods, but what I hate is having to go in there, not understanding anything I'm seeing, asking people for help & they can't speak English either, or when they do, they don't know what they are saying. Or I phone up a Chinese restaurant & end up screaming on the phone b/c they can't speak a word of English yet they are allowed to open a business to the public which I feel is very unfair to the city.

While many immigrants take ESL, there are probably 70% more that don't. We aren't talking the kids here b/c they learn English in school (well maybe).

I remember back when I was 19 or so I met a Portuguese guy & he took me to the Portuguese area of TO. I didn't even know it existed.

His parents owned a bakery & when I went to talk to them I couldn't.

They had been living in Canada for 25 years (YES, you heard me) & they couldn't speak a word of English let alone understand me.

At the time I didn't care b/c I was so young, but now I think it's just outright wrong.

This is what happens when you let people segregate in their own area so they don't have to learn anything about the language, culture etc. I mean why bother when you can go to a school with your ethnicity, shop at businesses where they all speak that language, you make friends only in your neighborhood, etc.

Instead we are forced to deal with them & they have taken over. Anyone who thinks they haven't, well I disagree, & it's dangerous too b/c if they have to be rushed to the hospital & can't speak or understand anything??? It's just nuts.

My son was the only white kid in one of his Brampton schools & in Miss. out of 5 grade 5 classes, he was only one of 2 or 3 other white kids.

While he handled it well, I was shocked & it took me a lot longer to accept it.

I have no problem with diversity, but when my culture & ethnic background becomes the minority then YES, I have a problem with it. Geeze, I sound KKK here & nothing could be further from the truth b/c I wish no harm upon anyone, but I do have the right to feel comfortable in my city.

Argus the only thing I don't agree with is that in order to stop crime we should first only let in the white people.

A lot of Russians are very dangerous. They are raised that way & they are very white. They love to commit crimes & their mafia can be more dangerous then say the Jamaican mafia. Just a point.

Another thing...

I notice a HUGE difference in American immigrants & Canadian immigrants.

While I don't feel anyone should have to give up their culture or language, I do feel it's only respectful to combine the 2 together if you are going to go become a resident of another country.

I find American immigrants (Mexicans aside b/c it's such a poor uneducated country) care more about assimilation & learning the language. They don't seem to care as much about continuing to show off their "ethnic" background. They want to be truly American, so they do whatever it takes to fit in & while I don't believe you should do things for other people, in this case it's about being proud of the new country you came to live in. If one wants to be totally the way they were in the country in which they were born then I feel they should just stay there.

Now I know that has to also do with how patriotic America is, but it shows how different they become vs. how I see Canadian immigrants. Of course I don't know all immigrants in the States, but it's something I've noticed over the years.

One other thing...

I can't remember if it was Sweden or Amsterdam, but last year I think it was, they refused entry to a Siek. I may have it wrong, all I remember is that the person was either wearing a turban or a head covering of some kind. Could have been a woman even.

Their reason for doing so was based on how they would NOT try to fit in or assimilate & how they would force their culture upon that country. Yes, they were probably muslim & no I don't think it's only muslims who refuse to fit in, I don't think there's one ethnic background I can name within TO that I feel tries to fit in with the rest of the city.

I remember applauding this country's bold move. They have had enough & so have I.

While I love diversity, I don't feel Canada (probably moreso Toronto & from what I've heard Vancouver) cares about what is happening to the Canadians who lived here before. I wasn't born in Canada, but I was raised in North American since I was 1 year old, & so I consider myself to be both Caucasian with an ethnic flair to me. We moved to TO from Regina when I was 18.

Oh & one last point (I know, I have many ...

When you bring in all the immigrants that come from a country where there are very few quality parameters in place (or laws & I'm not hung up on laws, but here's why I am in this case), then the quality of production automatically goes down.

I'm not saying that all Canadian contractors or workers care about quality, we know that so many are so lazy, that companies tend to want to hire ethnics, but what I'm saying is that the construction of new houses within the GTA is terrible now.

Not unless you are paying big bucks anyway.

Even renovation quality is terrible.

Why?

Because people want to save, so then they hire the immigrants who are willing to charge less & they don't care about whether it's done properly, so long as it's done fast.

Also in all of the houses I've ever rented, NONE have ever been Caucasian, so they don't care about fixing the house & when they renovate it, it's the lowest of the low quality & Canada allows this to go on.

Overall I blame Canada for not caring about how immigrants affect us (Gotta love Mike Holmes). I mean who is going to tell them the house has to be up to code? They tell them, but no one ever enforces it when the contractors don't care.

Same with food in restaurants, or any kind of industry where quality is very important.

Thank you to all for listening to my pov.

Michelle

There are several aspects to my disapproval of current immigration.

Economic.

We are bringing in too many failed immigrants, and that includes the tens of thousands of largely phony refugees we allow in every year, few of whom have any education or job skills. Statistics show that the today's immigrants, contrary to their historical counterparts, are more likely to be on welfare, or to be in a dead end, low skill, low income job than Canadians (their counterparts twenty, thirty, forty years ago were all higher earners than Canadians). I see no reason whatever to be bringing in immigrants we have to support. And if anyone doubts the statistics they can merely go to any public housing project in an urban centre to see the sea of non-white faces and accents.

Cultural.

I grew up in a largely homogeneous community - Ottawa. I had no non-whites in my schools right up to college. I think, looking back, there was one or two Asians in college. That was it. In the space of thirty odd years, without ever once asking us if we wanted such a change, the inflow of other cultures and races has been such a flood that some cities like Vancouver and Toronto now have a majority of what we're now calling "visible minorities". Virtually all those minorities are immigrants or the offspring of them, and their disparate cultures have radically changed the cities in which Canadians are living - again, without anyone ever consulting us. Our traditional beliefs, cultures and values are being supplanted by people of other cultures - failed cultures, btw, whose countries can, in large measure, be dismissed as shitholes of violence and poverty due largely to the failure of those cultures. They have brought those cultures here, and we have encouraged them to retain them.

Crime.

Thirty odd years ago Canada had no street gangs to speak of. The idea of drive by shootings was, not to put too fine a point on it, a foreign concept. Nor could one imagine the idea of a "swarming" taking place, let alone repeatedly. With very rare exceptions (native gangs in the west) all such gangs and swarmings are ultimately related to immigration of large numbers of people from places with violent cultures. Far, far too much of our crime, especially violent crime, is being committed by people with non-white faces, and that means those crimes are due to immigration policy. That doesn't mean, of course, that white immigrants aren't commiting crime, too. The poster boy for them is one Elvir Pobric, a Bosnian double murderer to came to Canada over ten years ago after escaping from prison. He's been a legal immigrant since then, still can't speak English, and our ridiculous immigration system recently set him free.

What to do.

Stringent language requirements to increase the chance of successful integration and economic success.

Focus immigration on cultures with similar education, cultural values and sophistication as ours. And yes, I'm aware that means largely white countries, and so will draw accusations of racism, but I don't really care. That means Europeans first, South Americans second, Eastern Asians third, western Asian, middle east, African and Carribean last.

Much better communication and realistic assessment of the needs of various types of employees, and the requirements industry and business has in the assessment of the need for "skilled" workers.

Landed immigrant status should be extended to 10 years from the current 3, and deportation proceedings should be streamlined and rigidly enforced for failed immigrants, particularly those who break the law.

[Smallc]

Oh goody

[benny]

I agree 99% with Argus & have so for the last 3-5 years or so.

Of course a desire to stay comfortable prompts intolerance.

[Martin Odber]

The question of immigration is not one easily answered. If anything, it only breeds more questions. Most Canadians, are descended from immigrants, if not directly an immigrant, so the issue touches the hearts and lives of us all if we immediately recognize it or not.

One of the questions that easily comes to mind is sustainability. Canada, has a larger land mass than say the United States, while we have approximately 30 million Canadians, and the United States has about 300 million Americans. In terms of land usage it might appear that we can support alot more persons. Will Canada as a nation benefit if we can raise our population significantly? How, why? If Canada would benefit in a significant way from increasing our population, are there ways to do it beyond immigration?

Another question might be that of our culture. We are by definition multicultural, yet as a group we do have so far some common ties. Even so, we have seen ( for example when our Canadian Mounted Police were asked to change their policies to allow the wearing of turbans, or when persons of a specific religious background wished their children to be allowed to carry "ceremonial daggers" on school property) where some cultural aspects were contrary to, or possibly dangerous to other Canadians. When persons immigrate to Canada, they do not necessarily abandon their cultural ways, to adopt those of Canada or existing Canadians. When enough persons believing a certain way group together to act politically they can certainly act lawfully to change Canada's laws, and or culture, perhaps for the better, perhaps not. So when considering immigration and numbers, affects or effects on our culture, are a consideration.

Often we take in immigrants to protect them from their own governments. I feel this likely has the greatest reasoning, as one of the things considered typical of Canadians, is often compassion. That being said, when it comes to immigrating on the basis of importing brains, I feel less compassionate. I feel that if Canada wants a more highly skilled workforce we should be growing it here at home, via educational programs that encourage Canadians that are able, to pursue careers in the needed area's. This may help ensure that persons in positions of power, were raised to look at things from a Canadian perspective. I do say may. Just having been born and raised in Canada is no guarantee that a person will have Canadian perspectives or interests, it just increases the likelihood.

Ultimately, I feel that the consequences of any decision on the subject of immigration, will be borne in one way or another, by every single Canadian, including future generations. For this reason alone I do not feel that such a weighty decision should be in the hands of a select few whose reasoning is their own. I do feel that such a decision should be squarely placed in the hands of every existing Canadian, those who must bear the consequences or rewards, are those who should make the decision. In that light, again, a referendum would be the most responsible decision possible. So that the outcome is not "my choice" or "your choice" but "our choice."

It is not our differences that make us a people, it is what we share in common.

warm regards,

Martin Odber

www.canadianreferendumparty.com

[g_bambino]

I can't stand that both Canada & the US don't give a damm about testing immigrant's English skills while they go thru the immigration process.

Oh... Dear lord... Surely that's a joke! God help us if that's where the bar has been set for English grammar and spelling!

[benny]

Often we take in immigrants to protect them from their own governments. I feel this likely has the greatest reasoning, as one of the things considered typical of Canadians, is often compassion. That being said, when it comes to immigrating on the basis of importing brains, I feel less compassionate. I feel that if Canada wants a more highly skilled workforce we should be growing it here at home, via educational programs that encourage Canadians that are able, to pursue careers in the needed area's.

Compassion and brain drain have to be linked if rich countries, like Canada, want to avoid receiving intercontinental nuclear missiles on their main cities.

Edited May 31, 2009 by benny

[Leafless]

If English were easy to learn, maybe I could agree with you. But it's a bloody mess, and so most Quebecers could not learn it well. They have rights in their province too.

And that is what the Quebec Act stipulates is that Quebecers have the right to speak French in Quebec and not all over Canada.

[benny]

And that is what the Quebec Act stipulates is that Quebecers have the right to speak French in Quebec and not all over Canada.

This has nothing to do with immigration policy.

[Machjo]

" I can't stand that both Canada & the US don't give a damm about testing immigrant's English skills while they go thru the immigration process."

For your information, the US federal government (and since immigration is a strictly federal issue in the US to the best of my knowledge, only federal policy matters here) has no official language.

Now please don't misunderstand me here. I believe it would be a good idea for the US to adopt an official language at the federal level, as this would legitimate such language tests for immigrants to the US. And considering the costs of translation and various language services, it could certainly save their country money. But they'd have to have an official language before they could legitimately start to introduce such tests.

As for Canada, let's not forget French.

[Leafless]

I acknowledge that the development and adoption of Official Bilignualism is an act of pure political expediency in an attempt to bribe Quebec to stay in Canada.

How can that possibly be true when the LPC was dominated by Quebec politicians and to-day is still heavily influenced by Quebec politicians.

Official bilingualism was a Liberal scam from day one, along with official multiculturalism and our politically correct charter.

[Leafless]

This has nothing to do with immigration policy.

Corrupt LPC policies including Trudeau's revamped immigration policy based on 'human rights' has everthing to do with the type of massive third world immigrants Canada allows into this country.

If it were not for the Liberals, Canada's bulk of immigrants would more than likely still be White, English speaking immigrants that are compatiable with Canada's culture.

Edited May 31, 2009 by Leafless

[CANADIEN]

How can that possibly be true when the LPC was dominated by Quebec politicians and to-day is still heavily influenced by Quebec politicians.

Official bilingualism was a Liberal scam from day one, along with official multiculturalism and our politically correct charter.

Indeed. Rights are a scam, and the Liberals get most of Quebec seats at each and every federal election. Right.

Edited May 31, 2009 by CANADIEN

[Machjo]

Indeed. Rights are a scam, and the Liberals get most of Quebec seats at each and every federal election. Right.

We can add to that that Trudeau has left a bitter taste in the mouths of many Quebecers whenever they think of the Liberal Party.

His error was in assuming that all Canadians would learn English and French just as easily as he had. With Official Bilingualism, at least in its current form, just as unilingual Anglophones are blocked from higher opportunities within the public service, so are uilingual Francophones. and unilinguals form the majority on both sides. So it's to be of no surprise that Trudeau would have alienated many through his support for Official Bilingualism. And even among bilinguals, those who support more equal rights for their unilingual compatriots will likely dislike it too. I fall into that latter category myself.

So it really shoud come as no surprise, except t Leafless of course, that Trudeau woudl have alienated many Quebecers just as much as other Canadians.

[Leafless]

So it really shoud come as no surprise, except t Leafless of course, that Trudeau woudl have alienated many Quebecers just as much as other Canadians.

I am glad to hear you admit that 'official bilingualism' discriminates against Canadians just as badly as Ignatieff's racist comment "that the abilty to speak both official languages is the essence of being Canadian".

[Leafless]

Indeed. Rights are a scam, and the Liberals get most of Quebec seats at each and every federal election. Right.

Almost.

From 1935 onwards with the exception of the Diefenbaker Conservative government from 1957-63.

There was a point even the Liberals could no longer satisfy the political demands of Quebec, thus the reason for the creation of the Block Quebecois in 1991.

Prior to the Mulroney Conservatives forming a government in 1993 (Quebec PM) it was all Liberal governments right back to the Pearson Liberal government in 1963.

[Machjo]

I am glad to hear you admit that 'official bilingualism' discriminates against Canadians just as badly as Ignatieff's racist comment "that the abilty to speak both official languages is the essence of being Canadian".

Indeed it does, at least in its current form. However, it does nto discriminate against English Canadians in favour of French Canadians, or vice versa. It discriminates in favour of officially bilingual Canadians against officially unilingual or alingual ones.

If either English or French were easy to learn, forecing everyone to learn it would be quite reasonable. The problem though is that neither language is particularly easy to learn except for bilingual mother-tongue speakers and academic elites, or others who were lucky enough to have the chance to learn it.

Again, this is not a French-vs-English issue, but one of the common people vs elites on both sides. Trudeau was not a typical Quebecer; he was very much of the elite class.

[CANADIEN]

Indeed it does, at least in its current form. However, it does nto discriminate against English Canadians in favour of French Canadians, or vice versa. It discriminates in favour of officially bilingual Canadians against officially unilingual or alingual ones.

If either English or French were easy to learn, forecing everyone to learn it would be quite reasonable. The problem though is that neither language is particularly easy to learn except for bilingual mother-tongue speakers and academic elites, or others who were lucky enough to have the chance to learn it.

Again, this is not a French-vs-English issue, but one of the common people vs elites on both sides. Trudeau was not a typical Quebecer; he was very much of the elite class.

The requirement that some federal government jobs be occupied by people fluent in one, or both of our national languages is NOT discriminatory against anyone.

What's next? Perhaps I should go to the Human rights Commission and complain that I'm being discriminated against because nobody would hire me as a doctor without medical training?

[Machjo]

The requirement that some federal government jobs be occupied by people fluent in one, or both of our national languages is NOT discriminatory against anyone.

You're absolutely correct, and that's not what I was referring to. Certainly exceptins exist.

What's next? Perhaps I should go to the Human rights Commission and complain that I'm being discriminated against because nobody would hire me as a doctor without medical training?

Bad example. A more apt one would be where even non-medical positions in the government required a medical degree, and that various positions would be labeled medical even when they are not, and that I'd have to undergo medical training even though my position has nothing to do with it.

I've knowm people in the military who had to undergo language training. Few come out successful. Waste of money. I'd love to see the statistiques on it.

[benny]

Corrupt LPC policies including Trudeau's revamped immigration policy based on 'human rights' has everthing to do with the type of massive third world immigrants Canada allows into this country.

If it were not for the Liberals, Canada's bulk of immigrants would more than likely still be White, English speaking immigrants that are compatiable with Canada's culture.

This topic is not about what would have happen if Trudeau had never been Canada's prime minister, it is about the direction of Canada's immigration policy should take independently of the past.

[Oleg Bach]

This topic is not about what would have happen if Trudeau had never been Canada's prime minister, it is about the direction of Canada's immigration policy should take independently of the past.

Rich and privledged students grow older and enter into politic - these people sometimes never get over reading the works of Marx or Trotsky - they are fine wine socialists - hobbiest - to make all people equal and eqaully poor seems ideal for them - and even just - but will they give up their personal fortunes in the fanceful building of feel good socialism? Not likely - did Trudeau give up his luxury and playboy life style? Of course not...it's easy for the rich to play commie for fun - they do not have to live the life and system they seek to inflict and infect on the populace - To them it's -----------------well - and interesting hobby -much like a game of war with very nice antique tin soldiers as they sip scotch.

[Machjo]

Rich and privledged students grow older and enter into politic - these people sometimes never get over reading the works of Marx or Trotsky - they are fine wine socialists - hobbiest - to make all people equal and eqaully poor seems ideal for them - and even just - but will they give up their personal fortunes in the fanceful building of feel good socialism? Not likely - did Trudeau give up his luxury and playboy life style? Of course not...it's easy for the rich to play commie for fun - they do not have to live the life and system they seek to inflict and infect on the populace - To them it's -----------------well - and interesting hobby -much like a game of war with very nice antique tin soldiers as they sip scotch.

Freer immigration would seem to be more of a libertarian than socialist concept, the idea being more freedom.