ToadBrother Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Organule: Google it! The best I get is: n. 1. (Anat.) One of the essential cells or elements of an organ. See Sense organule, under Sense. Sure don't sound like a virus to me. Perhaps you should give an actual reference, and not just "Google it!" Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 The best I get is:n. 1. (Anat.) One of the essential cells or elements of an organ. See Sense organule, under Sense. Sure don't sound like a virus to me. Perhaps you should give an actual reference, and not just "Google it!" That be the correct definition, too. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
benny Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 The best I get is:n. 1. (Anat.) One of the essential cells or elements of an organ. See Sense organule, under Sense. Sure don't sound like a virus to me. Perhaps you should give an actual reference, and not just "Google it!" A virus is a package of nucleic acid just enough to synthesize what it needs to penetrate living organisms and replicate itself from them. Quote
ToadBrother Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 A virus is a package of nucleic acid just enough to synthesize what it needs to penetrate living organisms and replicate itself from them. I'm aware of what a virus is. Do you even remember what your point was? Quote
benny Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) I'm aware of what a virus is. Do you even remember what your point was? No element can be more essential than a package of nucleic acids. For us humans, a virus is not evolving more than a factory or a photocopier. We can empty its content and put in it whatever we want to construct new life forms. So, it is all about our subjective tastes and God is the subjective being par excellence. Edited May 22, 2009 by benny Quote
ToadBrother Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 No element can be more essential than a package of nucleic acids. For us humans, a virus is not evolving more than a factory or a photocopier. We can empty its content and put in it whatever we want to construct new life forms. So, it is all about our subjective tastes and God is the subjective being par excellence. This doesn't even make sense, it's an incoherent rambling paragraph. Viruses evolve. Yes, we can pop out their RNA (or in some cases DNA) and put in our own, but then again, we can do the same thing with bacteria. Do you intentionally try not to make sense, or are you just generally this incoherent? Quote
benny Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 This doesn't even make sense, it's an incoherent rambling paragraph. Viruses evolve. Yes, we can pop out their RNA (or in some cases DNA) and put in our own, but then again, we can do the same thing with bacteria.Do you intentionally try not to make sense, or are you just generally this incoherent? This thread seems to be about a subject matter too fundamental for you. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Creation humor c/o Family Guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TthHltjrvA Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WIP Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 No element can be more essential than a package of nucleic acids. For us humans, a virus is not evolving more than a factory or a photocopier. We can empty its content and put in it whatever we want to construct new life forms. So, it is all about our subjective tastes and God is the subjective being par excellence. It's pretty dumb to say that viruses are not evolving, at a time when epidemiologists around the world are trying to determine if we are at the beginning of a major flu pandemic! If you're comparing a virus to a photocopier, you haven't even read a basic explanation of what a virus is! Viruses have short lifespans and high mutation rates, so they evolve rapidly, and for that reason they are able to bypass the body's immunity system. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) It's pretty dumb to say that viruses are not evolving, at a time when epidemiologists around the world are trying to determine if we are at the beginning of a major flu pandemic!If you're comparing a virus to a photocopier, you haven't even read a basic explanation of what a virus is! Viruses have short lifespans and high mutation rates, so they evolve rapidly, and for that reason they are able to bypass the body's immunity system. Both betsy and benny ignored the question: why have some bacteria become immune to antibiotics? Edited May 22, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
benny Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) It's pretty dumb to say that viruses are not evolving, at a time when epidemiologists around the world are trying to determine if we are at the beginning of a major flu pandemic!If you're comparing a virus to a photocopier, you haven't even read a basic explanation of what a virus is! Viruses have short lifespans and high mutation rates, so they evolve rapidly, and for that reason they are able to bypass the body's immunity system. When a virus mutes or changes (not evolves), it puts the evolution of life in limbo. Science wants to stop any changes that our human subjectivity would not be able to stand. Edited May 22, 2009 by benny Quote
ToadBrother Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 When a virus mutes or changes (not evolves), it puts the evolution of life in limbo. Science wants to stop any changes that our human subjectivity would not be able to stand. Okay, I get it, you're trying to playing some moronic semantics game. Evolution is change the genetic makeup of a population over time. Whether that's a virus, a blue-green algae or a herd of cattle, it's evolution. Trying to redefine words to your own private definitions is a pointless exercise, usually used by those who either have no idea what they're talking about, or by those who seem to dislike words, yet want to invoke the concepts that the word describes. Viruses do evolve. They evolve through the same mechanisms that all other organisms evolve. What's more, they even more prone to evolve than other organisms. Horizontal gene transfer (just the sort of thing that can happen when a host becomes infected with multiple strains of an influenza virus, thus creating the opportunity for gene exchange between the two strains) is also very common. You really don't know a damned thing about biology. I'm not even sure you know how to use the English language properly. Quote
ToadBrother Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Both betsy and benny ignored the question: why have some bacteria become immune to antibiotics? Well, betsy's a Creationist, and benny is just a nut, and an ignorant one at that. Quote
ToadBrother Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 This thread seems to be about a subject matter too fundamental for you. Hey, you're the guy who doesn't understand basic terms. It's not my fault you're have no idea what you're talking about. Tell me, when's the last time you even took a high school biology class? I mean, even at that level, basic concepts like what a virus is, and what evolution is, are covered. Quote
GostHacked Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Creation humor c/o Family Guyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TthHltjrvA You are becoming one of my faves on this board. Tell me, when's the last time you even took a high school biology class? I mean, even at that level, basic concepts like what a virus is, and what evolution is, are covered. I exited high school in 89. I am going to throw out a really absolutley wild guess that biology has come a very long way since I was in high school. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Well, betsy's a Creationist, and benny is just a nut, and an ignorant one at that. Indeed. If I was a Creationist like betsy, I'd be rather concerned as to why 'God' is making new stars. Did he f**k-up with us? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Milky way churning out new stars at a furious pace http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14309 Some of the first data from a new orbiting infrared telescope are revealing that the Milky Way - and by analogy galaxies in general - is making new stars at a much more prolific pace than astronomers imagined. Why would he be steppin' up production? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted May 23, 2009 Report Posted May 23, 2009 Milky way churning out new stars at a furious pace http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14309 Why would he be steppin' up production? We gone done messed this planet up enough, 'He' needs to make a new planet quick for us. If he is a loving god. Come to think of it. If you stab someone in the back, or dissapoint someone, like a freind or a god apologize and spend the rest of your life in heaven??? Damn religion confuses me. Quote
benny Posted May 23, 2009 Report Posted May 23, 2009 Hey, you're the guy who doesn't understand basic terms. It's not my fault you're have no idea what you're talking about.Tell me, when's the last time you even took a high school biology class? I mean, even at that level, basic concepts like what a virus is, and what evolution is, are covered. What credibility do you think you can have at wishing to forbid religion to enter in science class when you cannot stop speaking of science in a religion forum!? Quote
ToadBrother Posted May 23, 2009 Report Posted May 23, 2009 What credibility do you think you can have at wishing to forbid religion to enter in science class when you cannot stop speaking of science in a religion forum!? This is a discussion forum, the topic is evolution, and I happen to know a good deal more about what I'm talking about than you. Look, if you want to pop word salads off and make yourself look dumber than a bent nickel, be my guest. I'm more than happy to show you up. Quote
WIP Posted May 23, 2009 Report Posted May 23, 2009 Creation humor c/o Family Guyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TthHltjrvA Not bad, but the the guys who do the Reasonable Doubts podcast did an even better parody of this theme last year, when they presented a parallel universe creationist version of Carl Sagan on their show #11 called Bizarro World. Instead of Cosmos, the Bizarro World version is "Logos," by the Rev. Carl Sagan. It starts at about the half way point of the episode: http://www.doubtcast.org/podcast/rd11_bizarro_world.mp3 Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
WIP Posted May 23, 2009 Report Posted May 23, 2009 Both betsy and benny ignored the question: why have some bacteria become immune to antibiotics? If benny did respond to the question, would his answer have had anything to do with the subject? I tried at least five times to get a response from betsy on two subjects I find to be the most compelling evidence for common descent discovered in genomic research: endogenous retroviruses and protein functional redundancy, but got no responses on the subject....likely because there don't seem to be any creationist sources who have figured out a creationist answer for them yet. Their stock answer: God just decided to use similar genes to make animals with, doesn't work in these two examples, so they just ignore them! Which is exactly what I do in return, with her creation evidence! If someone comes along with bold claims of being able to overturn the accepted scientific theories, they better be able to answer challenges and do more than question the accepted models of evolution. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
benny Posted May 23, 2009 Report Posted May 23, 2009 This is a discussion forum, the topic is evolution Look again! The topic is Dawkins as a preacher. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 24, 2009 Report Posted May 24, 2009 Look again! The topic is Dawkins as a preacher. Only religions have preachers. Science doesn't need them. There are no expert opinions in science. No arguements from authority. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
benny Posted May 24, 2009 Report Posted May 24, 2009 (edited) Only religions have preachers. Science doesn't need them. There are no expert opinions in science. No arguements from authority. Science doesn't need preachers because it can synthesize what it wants in laboratory. Edited May 24, 2009 by benny Quote
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