capricorn Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 In 2003, Parliament enacted the Holocaust Memorial Day to be observed on April 21. http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/P...ge=e&Mode=1 The Tamil protest in front of Parliament Hill is now in its third week with no end in sight. It was decided (by who, I don't know) that because of the ongoing Tamil protest, tomorrow's Holocaust Memorial service, which has always taken place on Parliament Hill, will be moved to the National War Museum. I support the right of Canadian Tamils to protest and they can stay as long as they want for all I care, provided the protest remains peaceful. Yet, something doesn't feel right about moving the yearly Holocaust Memorial service away from Parliament Hill. It seems to me some accommodation could have been made to proceed as in past years. The change was made at the last minute, so many who would want to attend the Memorial will go to Parliament Hill unaware of this change of plans. This is very unfair and bound to hurt some people. What if the Tamil protests had overlapped with Canada Day celebrations on Parliament Hill? Would those celebrations also have been relocated so as not to interfere with the protesters? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 I know a great place the Tamils can go protest. It's called Ceylon. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
capricorn Posted April 21, 2009 Author Report Posted April 21, 2009 Here's a news advisory of the change, dated today. The Canadian Community Holocaust Remembrance Day Ceremony honouring Holocaust victims has been moved to LeBreton Flats Park, adjacent to the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa, Tuesday, April 21, 2009, at 3:00 pm EDT. << Invited guest speakers include: - Right Hon. Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada - Dr. Michael Ignatieff, Opposition Leader, Liberal Party of Canada - Jack Layton, Leader, New Democratic Party - Gilles Duceppe, Leader, Bloc Québecois Attending dignitaries will include Members of the House of Commons, Members of the Senate, Israel's Ambassador to Canada and Ambassadors from approximately 50 countries, plus prominent community leaders. The public is invited to attend. Program participants will include clergy, Jewish War Veterans and the Netivot Choir from Toronto. Survivors living in Ottawa, Toronto, Montréal and Members of Parliament and Senators will lay wreaths to remember this very dark period in the world's history. http://finance.alphatrade.com/story/2009-0...DAPR_C3230.html I'm curious to know whose bright idea it was to turf the Memorial off Parliament Hill. Sure hope the MSM picks up on this. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
lictor616 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 In 2003, Parliament enacted the Holocaust Memorial Day to be observed on April 21.http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/P...ge=e&Mode=1 The Tamil protest in front of Parliament Hill is now in its third week with no end in sight. It was decided (by who, I don't know) that because of the ongoing Tamil protest, tomorrow's Holocaust Memorial service, which has always taken place on Parliament Hill, will be moved to the National War Museum. I support the right of Canadian Tamils to protest and they can stay as long as they want for all I care, provided the protest remains peaceful. Yet, something doesn't feel right about moving the yearly Holocaust Memorial service away from Parliament Hill. It seems to me some accommodation could have been made to proceed as in past years. The change was made at the last minute, so many who would want to attend the Memorial will go to Parliament Hill unaware of this change of plans. This is very unfair and bound to hurt some people. What if the Tamil protests had overlapped with Canada Day celebrations on Parliament Hill? Would those celebrations also have been relocated so as not to interfere with the protesters? not to worry everyone knows that holocaust remembrance is a yearlong nonstop event. And if one "forgets" all he has to do is go to his local holocaust museum which is also there yearlong. I do wonder however, when the holocaust will stop being the central historical fact of the world ... its been a pretty good run, people are beginning to get a little weary of the whole mess. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Argus Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 I support the right of Canadian Tamils to protest and they can stay as long as they want for all I care, provided the protest remains peaceful. Yet, something doesn't feel right about moving the yearly Holocaust Memorial service away from Parliament Hill. It seems to me some accommodation could have been made to proceed as in past years.The change was made at the last minute, so many who would want to attend the Memorial will go to Parliament Hill unaware of this change of plans. This is very unfair and bound to hurt some people. What if the Tamil protests had overlapped with Canada Day celebrations on Parliament Hill? Would those celebrations also have been relocated so as not to interfere with the protesters? What you had were two groups. One made up of reasonable, western educated Canadians. One made up of third world savages who embrace terrorism and violence. You can reason with the western educated Canadians, and say "look, here's the situation" and get them to move. You can't reason with third-world savages. They would not have moved and if you tried to move them there would have been violence. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) not to worry everyone knows that holocaust remembrance is a yearlong nonstop event. And if one "forgets" all he has to do is go to his local holocaust museum which is also there yearlong. I do wonder however, when the holocaust will stop being the central historical fact of the world ... its been a pretty good run, people are beginning to get a little weary of the whole mess. I'm hoping your perhaps being a little sarcastic ...perhaps your right, maybe we could take a look at every yearly event....perhaps X-mas been around much to long....lets change or just maybe we can remember why it is we hvae these rememberances anyways.... Edited April 21, 2009 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
lictor616 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 I'm hoping your perhaps being a little sarcastic ...perhaps your right, maybe we could take a look at every yearly event....perhaps X-mas been around much to long....lets change or just maybe we can remember why it is we hvae these rememberances anyways.... equating a cultural tradition (the observance of Christmas) with the remembrance of the misfortunes of another people, another religion, another culture is a little flawed isn't it. Its like asking a neighbor to feel the same degree of pain and angst as you over the death of YOUR child. Also, why only the Jews? As far as one can tell, the only reason we incessantly hear about the holocaust is as a reminder of how terrible things can get... Yet far more terrible examples of genocide and mass murder are readily available: the horrors of the Ukraine Holodomor (where 7 to 10 MILLION died in barely two years time) is one I would like to see mentioned. What about the Nanking Massacre? The height of horror and human suffering that was Mao's "great" leaps forward- in which 40 million perished in under 11 years. What of the 60 to 67 million dead in soviet Russia and in the GULAG system: where an inmate's life was usually measured in hours? The Katyn Forrest Massacre? This bizarre fawning on the Holocaust (hallowed be its name) really makes no sense at all. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 I know a great place the Tamils can go protest. It's called Ceylon. hear hear Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 Yet far more terrible examples of genocide and mass murder are readily available: the horrors of the Ukraine Holodomor (where 7 to 10 MILLION died in barely two years time) is one I would like to see mentioned. What about the Nanking Massacre? The height of horror and human suffering that was Mao's "great" leaps forward- in which 40 million perished in under 11 years. What of the 60 to 67 million dead in soviet Russia and in the GULAG system: where an inmate's life was usually measured in hours? The Katyn Forrest Massacre? This bizarre fawning on the Holocaust (hallowed be its name) really makes no sense at all. They are indeed terrible but saying that it is far more terrible is hyperbole. The Ukraine saw at most 25% of the population die The Nanking Massacre saw 300,000 die. The Katyn Massacre saw 22,000 die The Jewish Holocaust saw 35% of the jewish population die. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 They are indeed terrible but saying that it is far more terrible is hyperbole.The Ukraine saw at most 25% of the population die The Nanking Massacre saw 300,000 die. The Katyn Massacre saw 22,000 die The Jewish Holocaust saw 35% of the jewish population die. 35% ... source? I'd love to challenge you on the holocaust ... though its probably best not to... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 35% ... source? I'd love to challenge you on the holocaust ... though its probably best not to... Prior to the second world war there were 17 million jews world wide. After the war there were 11 million. Do the math. If you count only European Jews, the percentage jumps to 67% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 Prior to the second world war there were 17 million jews world wide. After the war there were 11 million.Do the math. If you count only European Jews, the percentage jumps to 67% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust your source says nothing of 35%... and wow "wikipedia"... ahem... World Almanac, 1936, pg. 748 -- world jewish population = 15,753,633 World Almanac, 1938, pg. 510 -- world jewish population = 15,748,091, with 240,000 in Germany American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council, 1939 -- population of Jews: 15,600,000 World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population est. -- 15,319,359 World Almanac, 1941, pg. 510: World Jewish Population est.-- 15,748,091 World Almanac, 1942, pg. 849: World Jewish Population est. -- 15,192,089 ("Jews include Jews by race not necessarily by religion")- According to the 1942 World Almanac (pp.594) World Almanac USA, 1947, pp. 748: World Jewish Population -- 15,690,000 World Almanac, 1949, pp. 289: World Jewish Population -- 15,713,638 Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 -- 15,300,000 i dunno... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 i dunno... That's been demostrated previously. Also been demonstrated previoulsy are the unreliability of the world almanac stats your ilk like to cite. Thanks for not linking to the source, there far too much filth here as it is. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 For your edification and to prevent you from being pantsed for using bogus stats copied from white supremacist sites... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_...wish_population Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
g_bambino Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) I know a great place the Tamils can go protest. It's called Ceylon. I kind of hate to say it, but... I agree. I don't know where exactly it is they're trying to direct their influence; do they feel Sri Lanka somehow falls within the Canadian Crown's jurisdiction? Though, the same thing could be said for any protest over anything that's not happening in this country, or some event that doesn't involve this country (ie. the Israeli and Palestinian protests that seem to occur on a regular basis). Another question that popped into my head when seeing the mass of Tamils on Parliament Hill was: how is it these people are not being reprimanded for being supporters of terrorism? Weren't a handfull of individuals of Middle Eastern descent not so long ago detained under just such an accusation when they photographed the CN Tower? [copyedited] Edited April 21, 2009 by g_bambino Quote
Borg Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) In 2003, Parliament enacted the Holocaust Memorial Day to be observed on April 21.http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/P...ge=e&Mode=1 The Tamil protest in front of Parliament Hill is now in its third week with no end in sight. It was decided (by who, I don't know) that because of the ongoing Tamil protest, tomorrow's Holocaust Memorial service, which has always taken place on Parliament Hill, will be moved to the National War Museum. I support the right of Canadian Tamils to protest and they can stay as long as they want for all I care, provided the protest remains peaceful. Yet, something doesn't feel right about moving the yearly Holocaust Memorial service away from Parliament Hill. It seems to me some accommodation could have been made to proceed as in past years. The change was made at the last minute, so many who would want to attend the Memorial will go to Parliament Hill unaware of this change of plans. This is very unfair and bound to hurt some people. What if the Tamil protests had overlapped with Canada Day celebrations on Parliament Hill? Would those celebrations also have been relocated so as not to interfere with the protesters? The Jewish people would not have torn the place apart if eviction was required - the criminal element that is there now would have been completely unmanageable and riots would have taken place. Canadians of convenience can go home - or become Canadian Too bad we cannot rid ourselves of all of them They are not very popular with the Ottawa folks anymore - but we have brought this upon ourselves by allowing them entry into Canada and then seeing the liberal party support them despite being a proven terrorist organization. There are liberals and then there are damned liberals -the damned liberals started this whole mess - now lets sort it out and give them all a one way ticket back to their country - let them sort it out on their own ground. Borg Edited April 21, 2009 by Borg Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 They are indeed terrible but saying that it is far more terrible is hyperbole.The Ukraine saw at most 25% of the population die The Nanking Massacre saw 300,000 die. The Katyn Massacre saw 22,000 die The Jewish Holocaust saw 35% of the jewish population die. By the same, ludicrous comparison of which tragedies are worthy of being remembered, only about 2500 or so died on September 11. So could it be that there is another scale for making this kind of assessment? Quote
lictor616 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 For your edification and to prevent you from being pantsed for using bogus stats copied from white supremacist sites...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_...wish_population I still find these figures rather curious. Also the leading authority of the Holocaust (the late Raul Hilberg) stipulates that in his "destruction of the european jews" takes his figures and estimates from the Almanacs available at the time (he began his immense work in 1949-1951)... how where these "corrections" available to him? And already snippets from the press (An article in reader's digest February 1943 for instance) increased the number to six million, and to keep up the inflation, it was later claimed that about 40,000,000 jews were destroyed ... followed by a revision that was reduced to 12,000,000, by the end of the war- , the figure of six million was taken as the largest that could be possibly imposed. So really if you repudiate the almanac- you deny the holocaust (because you contradict doyen of the official Holocaust story: Hilberg), and if you don't then you're a revisionist... seems like your a "vicious, holocaust denying, goosestepping anti-semite hitler lover" either way... yes the holocaust is a mighty tricky business. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
tango Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 What you had were two groups. One made up of reasonable, western educated Canadians. One made up of third world savages who embrace terrorism and violence. You can reason with the western educated Canadians, and say "look, here's the situation" and get them to move. You can't reason with third-world savages. They would not have moved and if you tried to move them there would have been violence. Use of the word "savages" is outdated and offensive. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
Borg Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 Use of the word "savages" is outdated and offensive. To you maybe Borg Quote
g_bambino Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 Use of the word "savages" is outdated and offensive. No it isn't. It still exists as a perfectly acceptable word. It's how it's used that may sometimes be unacceptable. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 Use of the word "savages" is outdated and offensive. Only to a cultural relativist. This is known as 'The Relativist Fallacy'. 1. Claim 'X' is presented. 2. Person A asserts that 'X' may be true for others but is not true for him/her. 3. Therefore A is justified in rejecting 'X'. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) (double post) Edited April 21, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
CANADIEN Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 What you had were two groups. One made up of reasonable, western educated Canadians. One made up of third world savages who embrace terrorism and violence. You can reason with the western educated Canadians, and say "look, here's the situation" and get them to move. You can't reason with third-world savages. They would not have moved and if you tried to move them there would have been violence. Never mind that people in this country have the right to engage in peacful demonstration, which is what was happening... But hey, at least you got yet another opportunity to engage in racist raving. Go get some slaves. Quote
CANADIEN Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 your source says nothing of 35%... and wow "wikipedia"... ahem... World Almanac, 1936, pg. 748 -- world jewish population = 15,753,633 World Almanac, 1938, pg. 510 -- world jewish population = 15,748,091, with 240,000 in Germany American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council, 1939 -- population of Jews: 15,600,000 World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population est. -- 15,319,359 World Almanac, 1941, pg. 510: World Jewish Population est.-- 15,748,091 World Almanac, 1942, pg. 849: World Jewish Population est. -- 15,192,089 ("Jews include Jews by race not necessarily by religion")- According to the 1942 World Almanac (pp.594) World Almanac USA, 1947, pp. 748: World Jewish Population -- 15,690,000 World Almanac, 1949, pp. 289: World Jewish Population -- 15,713,638 Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 -- 15,300,000 i dunno... That's right, you don't know. In the 1947 and 1948 editions of the World Almanac, it is clearly stated that the estimate of the Jewish populations are based on 1938 figures. The 1949 edition gives numbers pre and post-war, with a difference of 5 000 000 between the two. In a report written for Himmler in 1932, SS doctor Richard Korherr estimated that the Jewish population of Europe had decreased by one half between 1933 and 1942. Quote
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