Rejoice on this day!

betsy · April 28, 2011

Matthew7:1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

You faith is in your works. Being full of judgement and condemnation suggests that you ~think~ you are a Christian but really aren't....by your own words...

Then follow them, don't just preach them. See the above...

There is a little story that was told to me by a Mohawk friend about rejecting people because they don';t fit and sound like you should care. After months of tending to a stranger who came to the door and was taken in by a family, healed and fed when they had little to share, the stranger reveled himself as the Creator. The moral is that you cannot judge a book by its cover......or something like that....

Now you read minds too? Christ didn't die. Jesus did and while Jesus was of the Christ, Christ lived on and never died.

I can see how from an empty and baseless perspective you could project that conclusion.

And by your works once again you prove that you are not a Christian. You are a wold in sheep's clothing interested in preaching your delusions without any proof your faith is real. My faith is absolute and I prove it through the miracles I perform everyday.

Yet you are quick to judge, you can't remove the mote from your own eye and see how flawed your dogma really is.

There is also another Mohawk story I recall that talks about the Creator being a young lad making a challenge to his brother to flatten the mountain he just raised. He boasted that he was more powerful and more creative than his twin, and when his brother said he was finished, the Creator turned around only to have that same mountain slammed into his face, breaking his nose. No doubt, humility in your household could find a place amongst all that arrogance.....

There is judgement, and then there is being judgemental.

Besides, you guys keep hammering on God because of humans who err. Christians fall from grace....we all sin...who's perfect?

It is not you or me to decide what work is deemed passable in the eyes of God.

That is for God to decide. He is the only one who can judge.

But don't make sinning humans be your excuse for forsaking God.

Edited April 28, 2011 by betsy

GostHacked · April 28, 2011

But don't make sinning humans be your excuse for forsaking God.

Don't try to ask someone else to forgive your sins. They are all your own.

charter.rights · April 29, 2011

There is judgement, and then there is being judgemental.

Besides, you guys keep hammering on God because of humans who err. Christians fall from grace....we all sin...who's perfect?

It is not you or me to decide what work is deemed passable in the eyes of God.

That is for God to decide. He is the only one who can judge.

But don't make sinning humans be your excuse for forsaking God.

Ah there you go! Falling into the excuse of the original sin.

Let me tell you. There is no sin. Those who believe in it are condemned to death. Those who understand the resurrection are free from it.

And God does not judge. Humans do. When you judge you actually reveal yourself, not the other. When you condemn another, you condemn yourself. But when you sin, or when you die, you sin and die only for yourself - not for me, not for God, It is a delusion you have taught yourself to be the victim of sin and not the perpetrator of your own prison.

Matthew 7:1-5

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

betsy · April 30, 2011

Ah there you go! Falling into the excuse of the original sin.

Let me tell you. There is no sin. Those who believe in it are condemned to death. Those who understand the resurrection are free from it.

And God does not judge. Humans do. When you judge you actually reveal yourself, not the other. When you condemn another, you condemn yourself. But when you sin, or when you die, you sin and die only for yourself - not for me, not for God, It is a delusion you have taught yourself to be the victim of sin and not the perpetrator of your own prison.

Matthew 7:1-5

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

I think I'd rather believe what my Bible Study says.

Edited April 30, 2011 by betsy

charter.rights · April 30, 2011

I think I'd rather believe what my Bible Study says.

Of course you would. Sinners like to share their misery. What will happen when sin is no longer an excuse for your bad behavior?

betsy · April 30, 2011

Of course you would. Sinners like to share their misery. What will happen when sin is no longer an excuse for your bad behavior?

Your posts doesn't make any sense. They are mish-mash reasonings/interpretations, at least that's how they seem to me. I want to understand where you're coming from....

Do you consider yourself a Christian? If not, what do you believe?

Edited April 30, 2011 by betsy

charter.rights · April 30, 2011

Your posts doesn't make any sense. They are mish-mash reasonings/interpretations, at least that's how they seem to me. I want to understand where you're coming from....

Do you consider yourself a Christian? If not, what do you believe?

Why do you need to know where I am coming from? Misunderstanding is your problem, not mine.

betsy · April 30, 2011

Why do you need to know where I am coming from? Misunderstanding is your problem, not mine.

Well then, it seems you are being obtuse and don't want to engage in a real discussion. Bye.

BubberMiley · April 30, 2011

Well then, it seems you are being obtuse and don't want to engage in a real discussion.

I thought the pot already met the kettle. :lol:

Smallc · April 30, 2011

Wow, the one liners are good today.

betsy · April 30, 2011

Wow, the one liners are good today.

Yep! I guess we're saturated with all these campaign slogans! :lol:

Smallc · April 30, 2011

I meant that I thought it was funny.

Edited April 30, 2011 by Smallc

charter.rights · April 30, 2011

Well then, it seems you are being obtuse and don't want to engage in a real discussion. Bye.

You certainly haven't suggested before you want to engage in "real" discussion. Rather you have been persistent in showing your intolerance for anything you don't agree with. You asked for help, and now you want to discuss it? What happened to your faith...oh ya...you have nothing to show for it. And here I was going to give you an opportunity to prove your faith is beyond your wild imaginings....

And by the way when I say:

"Why do you need to know where I am coming from? Misunderstanding is your problem, not mine.", that IS holding a discussion. If I wasn't engaging you I would ignore you like most the people here do.

Edited April 30, 2011 by charter.rights

betsy · April 30, 2011

You certainly haven't suggested before you want to engage in "real" discussion. Rather you have been persistent in showing your intolerance for anything you don't agree with. You asked for help, and now you want to discuss it? What happened to your faith...oh ya...you have nothing to show for it. And here I was going to give you an opportunity to prove your faith is beyond your wild imaginings....

And by the way when I say:

"Why do you need to know where I am coming from? Misunderstanding is your problem, not mine.", that IS holding a discussion. If I wasn't engaging you I would ignore you like most the people here do.

Ignore me. Pleeeeaaasssssse...I beg of you. I implore you. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Edited April 30, 2011 by betsy

bloodyminded · April 30, 2011

Faith without works is dead. Unless you can demonstrate your faith by performing the miracles you profess exist, your faith is nothing more than a delusion.

Miracles are not special instances, they are everyday occurrences. Yet you deny the resurrection of Christ by claiming that Jesus died. Thus your faith in Easter is dead. YOUR works do not confirm your faith but contradict it.

Since you're directing this at me, I assume you mean "you" and "your" in the general, rhetorical sense. My claim that "Jesus died" is contingent on the notion that he in fact existed...a "fact" of which I'm not positive. Further, if he did exist, I take it more or less for granted that he was not God.

bloodyminded · April 30, 2011

It's funny to watch the lefists of the forum attack Easter, while at the same time walking on egg shells and bending over backwards as no not offend s certain other religion! God bless you guys, you're entertaining as hell!

What, you mean the ridiculous, superstition-soaked farce known commonly as "Islam"?

Edited April 30, 2011 by bloodyminded

WIP · April 30, 2011

Why do you need to know where I am coming from? Misunderstanding is your problem, not mine.

You see, this is why I could care less about what people's metaphysical beliefs are, but am over how much they believe everyone else should be adopting their way of thinking. There are a lot of Christians who would not be trying to divide everyone between Christian and non-Christian, and would just examine each argument based on its merits.

betsy · April 30, 2011

You see, this is why I could care less about what people's metaphysical beliefs are, but am over how much they believe everyone else should be adopting their way of thinking. There are a lot of Christians who would not be trying to divide everyone between Christian and non-Christian, and would just examine each argument based on its merits.

Oh boy, you're so quick to jump in his wagon.....with anyone who could be your ally to malign Christians.

WIP:
...and would just examine each argument based on its merits

That's the big issue in this so-called "discussion" between Charter Rights and I! There is no real argument! He's obtusely dodging and he just keeps ricocheting all over the place like a pinball.

Instead of dismissing him right off the bat (which I should have done), I thought he's got something to say that's worth talking about except that perhaps it's not explained right or there's some sort of mis-communication.

I should've left it right there and should've waved bye-bye when he showed he clearly doesn't even know what he's talking about! For crying out loud he's giving me his interpretation of Bible passages and telling me how I'm not understanding them....when in fact, he doesn't even know the BASIC meaning of being a Christian!

I just thought you should know....so you wouldn't be making another reckless statement!

Anyway, you two have a nice chat! I'm resting and preparing for Monday....

May God have mercy on you both.

BubberMiley · May 1, 2011

May God have mercy on you both.

If I were you, I'd be worrying about myself.

betsy · May 1, 2011

If I were you, I'd be worrying about myself.

I also included myself in that prayer....always ask for His mercy. God bless you too.

Edited May 1, 2011 by betsy

BubberMiley · May 1, 2011

God bless you too.

Thank you. I feel stronger already.

WIP · May 2, 2011

Oh boy, you're so quick to jump in his wagon.....with anyone who could be your ally to malign Christians.

I'm more than happy to malign your kind of christianity. Your brand of Christianity is at war with science, with social progress, with the environment, with every nation that the U.S. has branded an enemy....conservative Christianity wants to make this world an even worse place to live, so that everyone keeps their eyes focused towards heaven, like the poor, miserable souls who are living on less than a dollar per day.

That's the big issue in this so-called "discussion" between Charter Rights and I! There is no real argument! He's obtusely dodging and he just keeps ricocheting all over the place like a pinball.
Instead of dismissing him right off the bat (which I should have done), I thought he's got something to say that's worth talking about except that perhaps it's not explained right or there's some sort of mis-communication.

I should've left it right there and should've waved bye-bye when he showed he clearly doesn't even know what he's talking about! For crying out loud he's giving me his interpretation of Bible passages and telling me how I'm not understanding them....when in fact, he doesn't even know the BASIC meaning of being a Christian!

And, you think your interpretations are the only correct ones. I don't take sides between people who are arguing about what the Bible means, because there are more than 33,000 different Christian sects who all claim to be following what the Bible says....and to me, that proves it's one big Rohrshack ink blot test.

May God have mercy on you both.

Dana Carvey's "The Church Lady" used to say:"I'm going to have to say a little prayer against you for that last remark." It more accurately expressed the real sentiments of the self-righteously religious....and I don't want mercy from a vengeful god who condemns most of the world's people to hell for not recognizing a hidden god. It's a religion that excuses all the worst things that nasty, selfish people want to do

Edited May 2, 2011 by WIP

betsy · May 2, 2011

I'm more than happy to malign your kind of christianity.

You're happy to malign CHRISTIANITY. Period.

You're letting your hatred blind you. You don't even realize that you hang yourself with your own rope.

You spout off starting with a hypocritical statement....and finishes off contradicting and exposing yourself.

WIP:
...and I don't want mercy from a vengeful god who condemns most of the world's people to hell for not recognizing a hidden god. It's a religion that excuses all the worst things that nasty, selfish people want to do

You're maligning the Christian God. You're at war with the Christian God!

Edited May 2, 2011 by betsy

charter.rights · May 2, 2011

You're maligning the Christian God. You're at war with the Christian God!

There is no such thing as a "Christian God", so to suggest that WIP is at war with it, is to suggest that he is at war with your delusions and your fears....which is the crux of organized religion's agenda....to create fear...and and to create delusions in the followers so that they unequivocally follow what the priests and ministers tell them.

Just as there is no sin, there is no fear except in your own mind. Fear is a delusion you create to protect yourself against bogey men and ghosts that haunt your mind. Sin is a weapon you use to attack others. Just as you try to fear Jesus who died because of your sins. It was murder.

When you learn to free yourself of sin, and to realize that fear is your delusion, only then will you be able to realize what your potential is. God is not dead, nor is The Christ but you need to see Who they are for What they are first and not some imaginary vile creature ready to strike you down.

If you need to pray, then pray for yourself. I am not in need of your charity.

betsy · June 13, 2011

Nina Karin Monsen

Nina Karin Monsen (born 29 May 1943 in Bergen) is a Norwegian moral philosopher and author.

She was appointed a government scholarship awardee (Norwegian: statsstipendiat) in 2004.

Monsen is Magister of Philosophy (1969) and was one of the founders of the Norwegian new feminist movement in 1970.

Monsen grew up in a humanist family, but later convert to Christianity through philosophic thinking.[3] Recently, Monsen has been a strong opponent of the introduction of same-sex marriage in Norway.

In 2009, she was awarded the Fritt Ord Award.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Karin_Monsen