M.Dancer Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 can you show me something to back up your claim that the UK moved the civilian population out of the way? besides, of course, using the already available underground tube stations to shelter some of the people? Are you serious? You asking for proof the world is round as well? I am constantly amazed by the ignorance displayed when it comes to modern history... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 Are you serious? You asking for proof the world is round as well?I am constantly amazed by the ignorance displayed when it comes to modern history... Everyone want proof! If a helicopter gun ship can hover and destroy a target along with all civilians within 50 yards - then the use of barred substances is not a stretch of the imagination..the viciousness of the attack even with conventional weaponry - equals ...the effect of out lawed weaponry, Quote
tango Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 If Hamas cared, they would have evacuated the civilian population of Gaza City and Rafah to the Gaza country-side. But, they don't care about their own people except as political pawns. Investigate it yourself: There was no place to evacuate to that was safe from Israeli weapons. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
M.Dancer Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 Investigate it yourself: There was no place to evacuate to that was safe from Israeli weapons. Except for the 95% of gaza that saw no attacks you mean...wasn't safe there I suppose, what with Hamas runnig around... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
dub Posted April 22, 2009 Author Report Posted April 22, 2009 Are you serious? You asking for proof the world is round as well?I am constantly amazed by the ignorance displayed when it comes to modern history... where are the citations of your 'amateurish' proof/comments you made? still waiting for those. contrary to what DoP has claimed, i have never heard of the UK moving its civilians outside of the city while the nazis bombed the cities. Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 contrary to what DoP has claimed, i have never heard of the UK moving its civilians outside of the city while the nazis bombed the cities. Your ignorance is not proof. Google british evacuees.. My father in law was one/ Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 contrary to what DoP has claimed, i have never heard of the UK moving its civilians outside of the city while the nazis bombed the cities. Your lack of historical context is showing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuations_o...ng_World_War_II What's next? Evidence of the Battle of Stalingrad occuring? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 Except for the 95% of gaza that saw no attacks you mean...wasn't safe there I suppose, what with Hamas runnig around... Indeed. Didn't I already post Google Map images of the Gazan countryside? It's within walking distance of Gaza City. Maybe it was in another lifetime. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 so you are comparing the nazi attacks on the british people to israel's attack on the gazans? an interesting comparison. You missed Leningrad and Stalingrad. Are those interesting comparisons, too? the nazi's main objective was the demoralization of the british people. sounds a lot like what the IDF was trying to do to the palestinians. Israel's objectives appear to have been to kill members of Hamas. Seeing we haven't heard much out of your heros as of late, I'd say at least some of the objectives were met. can you show me something to back up your claim that the UK moved the civilian population out of the way? besides, of course, using the already available underground tube stations to shelter some of the people? Those not evacuated used the tube stations. But, they were ineffective vs direct hits, not being hardened military structures. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted April 23, 2009 Author Report Posted April 23, 2009 Your lack of historical context is showing.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuations_o...ng_World_War_II so you're talking about the evacuation that started way before the blitz. an evacuation that was developed in the summer of 1938 and then did not start until a year later. the evacuation started over a year before the blitz, contrary to what you claimed. planning to move hundreds of thousands of people takes lots of planning, time and resources. how much time did hamas have to move the civilians out? did they have access to trains like the british did? where were the people supposed to go exactly? i still enjoyed your comparison of nazi germany attacking britain to israel attacking gaza. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 (edited) so you're talking about the evacuation that started way before the blitz. an evacuation that was developed in the summer of 1938 and then did not start until a year later. the evacuation started over a year before the blitz, contrary to what you claimed.planning to move hundreds of thousands of people takes lots of planning, time and resources. how much time did hamas have to move the civilians out? did they have access to trains like the british did? where were the people supposed to go exactly? Hamas has had years to plan for evacuations and build shelters. There is no excuse for your pals' actions. i still enjoyed your comparison of nazi germany attacking britain to israel attacking gaza. You find that a moral victory of some sort? Similar to Hamas saying the last conflict was a great victory. Now that I enjoy. Don't blame me for Hamas not being very smart, very prepared or very caring for Palestinian Arabs. Edited April 23, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted April 23, 2009 Author Report Posted April 23, 2009 Hamas has had years to plan for evacuations and build shelters. There is no excuse for your pals' actions. yeah okay. are you pretending that hamas has had the resources to put shelters above the basic necessities of gaza? basic necessities that israel has blockaded and made extremely difficult to go into gaza ever since hamas was elected. You find that a moral victory of some sort? i find it satisfying that even you, the spinster, allowed that one slip. i enjoyed watching you compare the nazis attacking civilians to israel attacking the gazans. you went off script. Similar to Hamas saying the last conflict was a great victory. Now that I enjoy. Don't blame me for Hamas not being very smart, very prepared or very caring for Palestinian Arabs. you're babbling and drifting into another one of your meaningless foaming at the mouth drivels. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 yeah okay. are you pretending that hamas has had the resources to put shelters above the basic necessities of gaza? basic necessities that israel has blockaded and made extremely difficult to go into gaza ever since hamas was elected. They manage to buy weapons. i find it satisfying that even you, the spinster, allowed that one slip. i enjoyed watching you compare the nazis attacking civilians to israel attacking the gazans. you went off script. That's idiotic. you're babbling and drifting into another one of your meaningless foaming at the mouth drivels. Your Hamas chums didn't give a rat azz re: 'the civilians'. They just wanted their dead bodies for parade and didn't get enough the right age and sex. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 yeah okay. are you pretending that hamas has had the resources to put shelters above the basic necessities of gaza? basic necessities that israel has blockaded and made extremely difficult to go into gaza ever since hamas was elected. Yet they have the resources to build extensive networks of tunnels to smuggle weapons....which to you think is easier to engineer? Shelters or miles of tunnels? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 (edited) Yet they have the resources to build extensive networks of tunnels to smuggle weapons....which to you think is easier to engineer? Shelters or miles of tunnels? Israeli soldiers shocked by tunnel network By Tim Butcher in Tel Aviv Last Updated: 7:56AM GMT 14 Jan 2009 www.telegraph.co.uk Israeli soldiers advancing inside the Gaza Strip have been stunned by the huge number of defensive tunnels they have found dug by militants, senior intelligence sources said today... More... Not to mention top Hamas figures all had bunkers or hid in Syria for the duration. Apparently under Gaza's main hospital, as well... Hamas Hiding in Shifa Hospital? January 13th, 2009: PBS Israeli intelligence officials say that Hamas leaders are operating out of a bunker underneath Shifa Hospital–Gaza’s largest–while above, doctors are struggling to handle the flood of casualties from Israel’s ongoing military operation. “Shifa Hospital has long ago ceased to be just a hospital,” Israeli Public Security Minister and former intelligence chief Avi Dichter said on Monday. “It is somewhat of an open secret that Hamas commanders walk around the hospital, in some instances wearing doctor’s robes,” Dichter said. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/blog/gaz...-hospital/4086/ Edited April 23, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted April 23, 2009 Author Report Posted April 23, 2009 (edited) They manage to buy weapons. there is no question that they've built tunnels to smuggle weapons and other things. do you think hamas would have been able to fight fatah's coup off in the gaza strip if they didn't have their weapons? tunnel making is gaza is a profitable but dangerous business for many gazans. mainly due to the blockades and control of borders by israel where not only weapons but also other things that are needed. they have a hard enough time trying to maintain the infrastructure in the ghettos, where do you think they can get the resources to build bomb shelters? you make it sound like a bomb shelter is something every person must have. also, hamas does not have the luxury of $3billion a year of U.S. taxpayer's money to help its military and infrastructure. going back to your comparison of israel to the nazis and the british to the palestinians; the plan was not to build bomb shelters for the civilians. what they did was, after over a year of planning, start a move to evacuated people to the safe zone areas by mostly trains. that evacuation took many months before the bombing campaign started. That's idiotic. it's not the first time you've put your own foot in your mouth. take it like a champ. Your Hamas chums didn't give a rat azz re: 'the civilians'. They just wanted their dead bodies for parade and didn't get enough the right age and sex. your raging, emotional and nonsensical comments have increased in the past couple of weeks. maybe instead of just typing whatever that is in your head and then sounding like above, you should do what dancer does when confronted with facts and reality and just run off for a bit, pretending a whole lot of holes in his argument has not been pointed out. Edited April 23, 2009 by dub Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 it's not the first time you've put your own foot in your mouth. take it like a champ. I didn't put my foot in my mouth. If you knew me better, you'd know this to be true. Others here know of my family's past. I do get a kick out of you thinking I'm Jewish, though. The ironing is delicious. your raging, emotional and nonsensical comments have increased in the past couple of weeks. maybe instead of just typing whatever that is in your head and then sounding like above, you should do what dancer does when confronted with facts and reality and just run off for a bit, pretending a whole lot of holes in his argument has not been pointed out. You're not the first Hamas loving terrorist supporter to come here. I doubt you'll be the last. there is no question that they've built tunnels to smuggle weapons and other things. do you think hamas would have been able to fight fatah's coup off in the gaza strip if they didn't have their weapons?tunnel making is gaza is a profitable but dangerous business for many gazans. mainly due to the blockades and control of borders by israel where not only weapons but also other things that are needed. they have a hard enough time trying to maintain the infrastructure in the ghettos, where do you think they can get the resources to build bomb shelters? you make it sound like a bomb shelter is something every person must have. also, hamas does not have the luxury of $3billion a year of U.S. taxpayer's money to help its military and infrastructure. Precious AK-47s and bomb making material before food and shelter. Here I thought the Provos were bastards. Your Hamas friends are truely fascist monsters with no respect for life. Why do you support them, anyways? Same ideals re: Jews? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
tango Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 You're not the first Hamas loving terrorist supporter to come here. I doubt you'll be the last. Hamas will be part of the negotiations. Nothing is gained by denying their role as the duly elected government. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
DogOnPorch Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 Hamas will be part of the negotiations. Nothing is gained by denying their role as the duly elected government. You are not the first, either. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kuzadd Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 (edited) Hamas will be part of the negotiations. Nothing is gained by denying their role as the duly elected government. why tango, recognizing a democratically elected government, one chosen by the people, that is outrageous! Outrageous to think the Palestinians actually get to chose anything Better to be an imperialist, or a colonialist and think that others should make the decisions? Or perhaps better to be an out and out racist with a superiority complex , who can just chose to kill them all, turn the desert into glass, rather then let the indigenous people decide for themselves? Don't you know it is the decision of Israel and the US?? Yes they get to chose for other people! They get to decide. and they get to torture too, in all their infinite superiority, they get to inflict horrific torture. Of course, they have all the guns don't they? All the big guns, so if the Palestinians don't go along, they can get along, you know move on. Nobel Laureate Accuses Israel of 'Ethnic Cleansing' INCREDIBLE GRILLING OF UK DIPLOMAT!, by a UK journalist funny Israel backs down over white phosphorus Israel defies US and destroys Palestinian home Edited April 23, 2009 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
KrustyKidd Posted April 24, 2009 Report Posted April 24, 2009 why tango, recognizing a democratically elected government, one chosen by the people, that is outrageous!Outrageous to think the Palestinians actually get to chose anything Better to be an imperialist, or a colonialist and think that others should make the decisions? Or perhaps better to be an out and out racist with a superiority complex , who can just chose to kill them all, turn the desert into glass, rather then let the indigenous people decide for themselves? The world has allowed them to decide for themselves and, recognizes the government of Palestine as a terrorist entity. Hence the loss of support from the international community. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
dub Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Posted April 26, 2009 The world has allowed them to decide for themselves and, recognizes the government of Palestine as a terrorist entity. Hence the loss of support from the international community. israel always uses an excuse not to negotiate and continues to do things unilaterally. this has been happening for 40+ years. certainly a lot longer than the time hamas has been around. do you support the settlements that israel continues to expand, despite them being illegal under international law? Quote
KrustyKidd Posted April 27, 2009 Report Posted April 27, 2009 do you support the settlements that israel continues to expand, despite them being illegal under international law? Definitely not. I view them as an underhanded way for segments of Israeli society to profit from the hatred that Palestinians refuse to diffuse in order for saner heads to prevail. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
kuzadd Posted April 27, 2009 Report Posted April 27, 2009 The world has allowed them to decide for themselves and, recognizes the government of Palestine as a terrorist entity. Hence the loss of support from the international community. the world has ALLOWED them to decide for themselves?? wow, wasn't that generous of the world to ALLOW people to chose for themselves?? I mean really, the world allowed them to choose???? thank-you for perfectly demonstrating the attitude of superiority, white christian superiority. wonderful to be so indoctrinated that one doesn't even recognize it in the language one uses ?? maybe one day, in the not so far off future, someone will ALLOW Canadians to choose and then punish us for not choosing the pre-approved government, that is actually of someone elses choosing. the backwards, upside down kind of world, that you seem to think is ok? Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted April 27, 2009 Report Posted April 27, 2009 Definitely not. I view them as an underhanded way for segments of Israeli society to profit from the hatred that Palestinians refuse to diffuse in order for saner heads to prevail. as opposed to the hatred some possibly most Israelis have for Palestinians?? That they refuse to diffuse?? And so they steal land, land that is beyond their official borders, which of course Israel doesn't recognize anyway. Yup, that is right they just plain don't recognize borders between their land and Palestinian land. So they just move into other people lands, they just expand onto them, they occupy them. Well when you don't recognize the borders or the people who live beyond those borders, I suppose that is what you do?? Just move on over. Hamas has IN FACT said they will recognize Israel within the '67 borders Hamas: We’ll recognize Israel within '67 borders The problem is Israel does not accept their lawful borders, their '67 borders, they want all of the land, and just take it. so stop with the hogwash, Israel has the recognition from hamas they want within their lawful borders. The problem? Israel doesn't accept those borders, themselves! cut the rhetoric. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
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