DogOnPorch Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 For BC-2004...sounds like one of your tours. http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/03/20/n...-hormuz020.html Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
guyser Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 For BC-2004...sounds like one of your tours.http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/03/20/n...-hormuz020.html I suppose a few men will lose their jobs over this. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Thanks for the link.....this sort of thing happens more often than the US Navy cares to admit. Since the USS Hartford was submerged, she was the "burdened" vessel and most responsible for avoiding such a collision, even during coordinated operations with an amphib unit (if that was the case). For the sub, loss of or reduced ship control can result from complications of a reactor scram (snorkeling / battery power) and/or hydraulics. Hartford would have been shallow or at periscope depth. You can't just blow to the surface without clearing baffles on the "roof". Doing this sort of thing at night increases the "pucker" factor. The sub's commanding officer will likely lose his command after the investigation and hearings, and some members of the ship control team on watch will also face some heat. Recall that Greenville hit the Ehime-maru in 2001, killing nine. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Posted March 21, 2009 The New Orleans is a completely new ship, isn't it? Not the old Iwo Jima class one... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 The New Orleans is a completely new ship, isn't it? Not the old Iwo Jima class one... Yep......San Antonio Class.....barely 5 years old. Just toss another few million on Obama's pile! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Posted March 21, 2009 Yep......San Antonio Class.....barely 5 years old. Just toss another few million on Obama's pile! My mistake: LPD-11 (not 18)...I'm not sure of this one's designation. Apparently, the "real LPD-11" is in Pearl Harbor awaiting the scrapyard after sitting in Suisun Bay for a period. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 My mistake: LPD-11 (not 18)...I'm not sure of this one's designation. Apparently, the "real LPD-11" is in Pearl Harbor awaiting the scrapyard after sitting in Suisun Bay for a period. This new USN type-class combines the missions of old and venerable 'Gator classes. My first ship was an LKA (USS Mobile LKA-115)....she only had 3" 50 guns.....but the skipper loved to shoot them! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 This is what your sonar dome would look like after a submerged collision with a sea mount at 20 knots: http://donshelton.net/images/Ray/raysmashed.jpg USS Ray SSN-653 - declassified photo Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Posted March 21, 2009 This is what your sonar dome would look like after a submerged collision with a sea mount at 20 knots:http://donshelton.net/images/Ray/raysmashed.jpg USS Ray SSN-653 - declassified photo Neat picture. Horrible damage, though. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Posted March 21, 2009 USS Mobile LKA-115 Googled a pic. Is it one of these? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Googled a pic.Is it one of these? Yes.....ex-Mobile is part of the inactive reserve. These hulls could be used like Liberty ships for sea lift in an emergency (after refitting).. http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/02/02115.htm http://navysite.de/lka/lka115.htm Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Posted March 21, 2009 Very cool. Google Maps is quite incredible that way. She could make 20 kts. Not shabby at all. Lot's of Indochina action, I see. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) Very cool. Google Maps is quite incredible that way. If we correlate with Marc Piché' Vercheres' (Quebec) photo, Mobile is moored outboard in the Google shot from the Philly yard. She could make 20 kts. Not shabby at all. Lot's of Indochina action, I see. Too much Indochina action.....and WestPacs in general. The 'Gator fleet occupied the lowest rung in US Navy pecking order, and the embarked Marines made for battles below decks at chow or movie time. The most exciting things to happen were flight ops for helos and target practice against towed sleds. To be blunt, it was service on this ship that made it easier to volunteer for submarine duty ! Edited March 21, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 So your' quiet these days...did you finally figure out that I was coo coo...or strangely connected - ? Heaven forbid that it might be both.........regardless...you are a good electronic representative...and I -----well just some wacko artist that no one should heed -----------and I am not the guy behind the curtain...... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 So your' quiet these days...did you finally figure out that I was coo coo...or strangely connected - ? Heaven forbid that it might be both.........regardless...you are a good electronic representative...and I -----well just some wacko artist that no one should heed -----------and I am not the guy behind the curtain...... Nah, the natives seem less restless on this channel since Bush left office. So there is less bloody chum to fight over. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Posted March 21, 2009 To be blunt, it was service on this ship that made it easier to volunteer for submarine duty ! How many crew + others? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 How many crew + others? Crew compliment varied because most of the time Marines were not embarked. I remember about 500 total crew (early 70's), and the strict separation bewteen officers and enlisted. Generally speaking, a smaller crew makes for a better experience and higher morale...like on a sub. But there are other factors. Back then, the US Submarine Force sent drug abusers and other offenders to the surface fleet! More trouble from USS Hartford's past: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Hartford_grounding Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Nah, the natives seem less restless on this channel since Bush left office. So there is less bloody chum to fight over. Suppose that leaves old war horses out of work - got a plow? - how about I take this spear and you can knock apples out of a tree - I will watch and eat --- and you can shake..and when we get bored we can climb up and toss sweet apples down until the Holsteins show up.....we used to do that as kids to amuse ourselves - go over to Colonel Snively's dairy farm and drop out the tree on to the back of some poor milk cow and ride till we were bucked off. Then it was off to climb to the top of the tallest pine - about ten stories straight up - we could see the whole world - not much has change...not me - not the pine and not the cows...well they maybe clue in your shoes by now. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Posted March 22, 2009 Five hundred sounds pretty tight for a ship of that size! I suppose the submarine fleet would look more attractive. I've only seen one SSN at Nanoose Bay. The Skipjack (585), I think. But that was a long time ago. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Five hundred sounds pretty tight for a ship of that size! I suppose the submarine fleet would look more attractive. AKA / LKAs were basically military cargo ships with large holds fore and aft (her displacement more than doubled when fully loaded). The only unique part of ship's compliment involved stores specialists and support for embarked Marines (they eat a lot after woking out in the holds). There was no inboard landing dock, launch wells for "Mike" boats, or specialized shore ramps as in the LSDs or LSTs. I've only seen one SSN at Nanoose Bay. The Skipjack (585), I think. But that was a long time ago. Yes, Nanoose would be one place to see 'em in Canada for live target range exercises. I remember an intersting visit to Esquimalt BC back in the early '80s during a transit from Monterey (USS Dolphin). Our biggest problem was the damn seals and sea lions basking on the boat. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Any truth to the old British Columbian 'folk tale' about Soviet subs sitting in the bottom of Knight Inlet and such during the Cold War? I agree re: the seals. Like big scary dogs at times. Once in San Fransico, I turned around to have one right there behind me. Nearly dumped me in the bay. Edited March 22, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Any truth to the old British Columbian 'folk tale' about Soviet subs sitting in the bottom of Knight Inlet and such during the Cold War? I doubt it....covert and even overt intelligence collection for that area wouldn't require such a risk...such was the case for open nations like Canada or the USA. BC's Nanoose Range is a very sensitive area, but by it's very nature not very inviting for enemy platforms. I agree re: the seals. Like big scary dogs at times. Once in San Fransico, I turned around to have one right there behind me. Nearly dumped me in the bay. Yea, once the seals took over a pier or wharf it was tough to scramble them. We didn't have seal bombs back then and we couldn't do anything that would raise the anger of tree huggers in the news media. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2009 Author Report Posted March 23, 2009 I doubt it....covert and even overt intelligence collection for that area wouldn't require such a risk...such was the case for open nations like Canada or the USA. BC's Nanoose Range is a very sensitive area, but by it's very nature not very inviting for enemy platforms. Headline reads: Kilo Class sub sunk in accidental shooting. I see your point. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Headline reads: Kilo Class sub sunk in accidental shooting.I see your point. The Nanoose Range (actually 4 ranges) is a huge "bathtub" wired for 3D sound and data collection. We would prep exercise torpedoes at the Keyport WA facility and run them at Nanoose. Turns out that the most interesting technology is used for the target platforms, because of countermeasures and evasion tactics. BC tried to stop the range testing agreement between Canada and the US, but it has been extended yet again. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2009 Author Report Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) The Nanoose Range (actually 4 ranges) is a huge "bathtub" wired for 3D sound and data collection. We would prep exercise torpedoes at the Keyport WA facility and run them at Nanoose. Turns out that the most interesting technology is used for the target platforms, because of countermeasures and evasion tactics. BC tried to stop the range testing agreement between Canada and the US, but it has been extended yet again. I remember those attempts. Still a few (edit: real) Canadians left up here...a few. Edited March 23, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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