Oleg Bach Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 +2 - 1....don't ask me what that means --- probably some instictive diversionary thing on my part...the markets are flooded with blood on the floor and they are slidding all over that damned place on this lubricant --- money was supposed to be a social lubricator....I smell a lot of panic among some of the members - money is money - it is not your life...having said that - God Bless America and let America continue to bless itself.....funny --- fear....of being broke breaks the man.....fear clouds the mind - some say - there is faith - and then there is control - well I use the faith as a base - control comes later....There is a great peice call "IF" by Rudyard Kipling...they should read it. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 - 1....don't ask me what that means --- probably some instictive diversionary thing on my part...the markets are flooded with blood on the floor and they are slidding all over that damned place on this lubricant --- money was supposed to be a social lubricator.... It still is....one of the benefits of our age is knowing how important lubricant can be. But too much lube is as bad as none at all. +2 was for the takedown...it's a wrestling thing...don't know if you have wrassling in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 It still is....one of the benefits of our age is knowing how important lubricant can be. But too much lube is as bad as none at all.+2 was for the takedown...it's a wrestling thing...don't know if you have wrassling in Canada. No - combat is usually the traditional British sucker punch..That lubricant...ye speak of - well if it's not self lubricating then - you need a younger model. Stimulas packages are like over lubrication...slip sliding away down the proverbial slippery slope....what is re-assuring is after having a short conversation with my banker buddy - he does not seem fearful or worried..because he is at the point where he knows - that we never had any money to begin with and either did he - do a multi-billion dollar merger - and not a penny exchanges hands - that's what I like about some of the old money guys - some have honour and know money is an illusion - average person lets the stuff worry them - the recession depression is of the mind...and the power of the mind can bring it on or cure it...faith. Quote
jbg Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Tories, character? Where do they keep it? This just shows how desperate they are. Canadians thought Stockwell Day was an idiot with his whole man roaming with donosaurs things, wait til they see him try to make 4 + 5 = 30. Is that in the Bible? Old testament math perhaps.And I suppose you would consider "character" a coup attempt in a core democracy such as Canada. The minority leader party gains 19 ridings, and the other three, rather than engaging in a good-faith attempt to make the Parliament work, basically upend the podium in a Westminister version of a barroom brawl. That's civility? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Calling yourself Progressive and running someone down for what they believe in shows you are a hypocrite.And he finds it necessary to attack the Old Testament to attack Harper? Why? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Progressive Tory Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 And I suppose you would consider "character" a coup attempt in a core democracy such as Canada. The minority leader party gains 19 ridings, and the other three, rather than engaging in a good-faith attempt to make the Parliament work, basically upend the podium in a Westminister version of a barroom brawl. That's civility? No, that's hypocrisy. When Stephen Harper formed his coalition in 2004 with Gilles Duceppe and Jack Layton, so that he could overturn the results of the election at the throne speech, and be named PM in "a coup attempt in a core democracy", he spent a great deal of time explaining to Canadians why his coailtion was legal and democratic. I've sent links to his coalition agreement here before, but they're all over the net. The GG gave Paul Martin a chance to fix it, and he did. However, from that time right up until the 2006 election, Harper never stopped trying. You can read one of his speeches in my siganture below (the Prime Minister should never think he can simply call an election as a way to avoid a non-confidence vote) and I came across a 2004 CTV interview, where he is once again stating that his coalition is the best option for Canadians who don't want to go back to the polls. Read the Parlaimentary debates and interviews for that period. As leader of the Opposition, 'rather than engaging in a good-faith attempt to make the Parliament work', Stephen Harper wanted to become Prime Minister by whatever means it took; just not in an election. Then in 2008, he did a 180 and 'basically upend the podium in a Westminister version of a barroom brawl' when the Opposition tried to do exactly what he tried to sell us on in 2004-2005, when his entire caucus acted like they were on crack, screaming 'separatist' and 'coup', piling one lie on top of another to save his job. He opens these doors and then forgets to lock them. His actions and those of his party's were barbaric and insane, as they threatened national unity to stay in power. That is not civility. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Muddy Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 One wonders why some here will attack and ridicule someone for their beliefs. OH WAIT! It is only Christians that are fair game for ridicule in Canada I guess! Yet they get their panties in a knot over CP attack ads. Hmmm.... Quote
g_bambino Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) ...Stephen Harper formed his coalition in 2004 with Gilles Duceppe and Jack Layton, so that he could overturn the results of the election... Huh? The results of the election were precisely what enabled Harper to offer the option of a coalition. So, overturning that would actually have been counter-productive for him... [copyed] Edited March 3, 2009 by g_bambino Quote
g_bambino Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 One of only two cases in modern Westminster Parliament history when a Governor General overrode the will of the sitting Prime Minister (the other being the King-Byng Affair). In modern history, yes. And it was, by my understanding, over a money bill blocked by their Senate, and a face-off where neither the upper house nor the Prime Minister would back down. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 One wonders why some here will attack and ridicule someone for their beliefs. OH WAIT! It is only Christians that are fair game for ridicule in Canada I guess! Yet they get their panties in a knot over CP attack ads. Hmmm.... My panties are quite fine. The reason Canadians don't have a stomach for attack ads during an econimc crisis is because we actually thought our Prime Minister wanted to govern and not campaign, to get us through it. I guess we should have known better. I don't attack Christians only 'pretend to be' Christians. Intolerance and war are not Christian values. But back to attack ads. Canadians hate them and even the Republicans are looking for a new strategy. Dion Attack Ad Hurts Harper More in Canada (Angus Reid Global Monitor) - A television spot authorized by the Conservative party which questions Liberal leader Stéphane Dion has affected the views of Canadians on their prime minister, according to a poll by Angus Reid Strategies. 33 per cent of respondents say their opinion of Conservative leader Stephen Harper has worsened, while 24 per cent feel the same way about Dion. Tory attack ads only working with Conservative base, says poll A poll conducted last week by Innovative Research Group for The Hill Times, found that the attack ads are effective with Conservative voters, and that those who do not vote Conservative say they reacted negatively to them. He was singing to the choir. Federal Conservative attack ads 'poisoned' election The roll-of-the-dice attack ad - as well as a series of anti-Dion TV spots that were broadcast soon after the Quebec MP was elected party leader in December 2006 - were key to producing the lowest voter turnout in Canadian electoral history, pollsters Andrew Grenville and Mario Canseco said in an interview. Michael Ignatieff doesn't have to attack, he just needs to inspire people to come back to the polls, now that there is a viable option to the Conservatives. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
ToadBrother Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 One wonders why some here will attack and ridicule someone for their beliefs. OH WAIT! It is only Christians that are fair game for ridicule in Canada I guess! Yet they get their panties in a knot over CP attack ads. Hmmm.... You must be talking about Day, and yes, Creationism is worthy of ridicule. Quote
jbg Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 No, that's hypocrisy.When Stephen Harper formed his coalition in 2004 with Gilles Duceppe and Jack Layton, so that he could overturn the results of the election at the throne speech, and be named PM in "a coup attempt in a core democracy", he spent a great deal of time explaining to Canadians why his coailtion was legal and democratic. I've sent links to his coalition agreement here before, but they're all over the net. The GG gave Paul Martin a chance to fix it, and he did. However, from that time right up until the 2006 election, Harper never stopped trying. You can read one of his speeches in my siganture below (the Prime Minister should never think he can simply call an election as a way to avoid a non-confidence vote) and I came across a 2004 CTV interview, where he is once again stating that his coalition is the best option for Canadians who don't want to go back to the polls. First of all you have the year wrong. It was 2005. It was an agreement to try to force a confidence vote and an election. Martin bribed Stronach with a Cabinet seat in order to "win" the vote.Just because you can make things up doesn't make them true. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) In modern history, yes. And it was, by my understanding, over a money bill blocked by their Senate, and a face-off where neither the upper house nor the Prime Minister would back down.Also, by tradition if not by law, Australia goes to the polls every three years. Gough Whitlam won his majority as a Labour PM in December 1972 making December 1975 the target date for elections. He refused the GG's entreaties to commit to a December 1975 election. Hugo Chavez anyone?Also, in Australia the Senate is elected, albeit by a different formula than the HOC. It is an open question as to whether a defeat of a money bill (they call it "supply" there) constitutes a lack of confidence and thus a cause for an election. Also, I recall that it was approximately eight (8) supply bills bottled up in the Senate. Certainly, from a practical point of view, with inflation ripping along at 8% in 1975, the government couldn't continue to function under an old budget. Since things were falling apart, the GG did the right thing. In the case of King-Byng, I don't recall that Meighen (sp) government lasting all that long. Edited March 4, 2009 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bjre Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 That has nothing to blame Tory. Tory did not ask Dion left. I did not see any democratic process to ask Dion leave, I just know from TV a former leader said Dion must go, and so he goes. Following that is some secret talk between Ignatieff and Harper that no one know details. If you want to blame Tory, blame Libral first who betray NDP first. So I guess no one should use the word "dictator" to blame any other country, I did not see any difference in Canada. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Shakeyhands Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Martin bribed Stronach with a Cabinet seat in order to "win" the vote.Just because you can make things up doesn't make them true. Do you mean like making things up like that Stronach was offered a cabinet position? Do you have some proof that she was offered a cabinet posiition if she crossed the floor?? Didn't think so. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Progressive Tory Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 You must be talking about Day, and yes, Creationism is worthy of ridicule. And so is 4 + 5 = 30. This is not a Christian thing, it's a stupidity thing. He reminds me of a cartoon character. A cross between Ned Flanders and Daffy Duck. How can you take that guy seriously? Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Oleg Bach Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 You must be talking about Day, and yes, Creationism is worthy of ridicule. It's a sad state of affairs when fundamentalist retarded Christians speak of Creationism. "The earth is six thousand years old" dull! The average fossil on a mountian top is millions of years old - that's God given common sense. Creationist take things literally with out doing any proper thinking or translating of scripture ...If it states.. "To God a second is a thousand years and a thousand years is but a second" - well this is quantum mechanics and it clearly states that in the realm of God the all mighty - THERE IS NO TIME...but to us there is because the earth revolves once a day - and goes around our sun 365 times a year - give or take. Creationism and Evolution are the same damned thing..If one hundred billion years is a second --- then evolution is a bit of slow motion action - and with creationism - things come into being instantly - or in a hundred billion years - which is the same deal. Thoughtless Christians are idots - as are the thoughtless Evolutionists. Quote
Topaz Posted March 5, 2009 Author Report Posted March 5, 2009 Today, the daily attack on Iggy is that he should call for the resignation of Senator Baker for saying that Labrador and NFLD should become a "Bloc" party and withdrawal from the confederation!! I heard what Baker said and he didn't say that. He said that if Harper wasn't going to treat NFLD. fairly with the transfers of money then the province would be forced to think seriously of separating. I agree with Baker that Harper is not treating the Martimes fairly unless of course the premier is a Tory then there's side deals. I don't think Harper knows what being a PM is all about. It's NOT about the power and showing that guy I'll get him! Harper has had an attitude towards the Martimes doe a long time and being the PM gave hyim the power to prove it. I think Harper has peeved off more premiers than anyone I can remember. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 The maritimes have resources - But because the original inhabitants were Irish - an institutional racism still continues to this day - The British considered the Irish to be the n***ers of the empire ---and so New Foundland...is still ghettoized - and we simply got used to the idea and have forgotten why we ghettoized them...racism - but perhaps racism deserved - The more I get to know the Irish (mother in law) the more I find that they may be a race of thieves, drunkards and perpetual liars...so - to hell with them ---- unless they can prove that my wifes side of the family have ethics and honour... Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 Creationism and Evolution are the same damned thing..If one hundred billion years is a second --- then evolution is a bit of slow motion action - and with creationism - things come into being instantly - or in a hundred billion years - which is the same deal. Thoughtless Christians are idots - as are the thoughtless Evolutionists. To believe that mankind came from one man and woman, means that you also believe that incest is acceptable. The next generation would mean that brothers and sisters had to cohabitate. I read an argument that the Bible clearly states that Adam had other children besides those with Eve. So who did he have them with. His daughters? Time is relative and the modern calendar was designed centuries after biblical times. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 Today, the daily attack on Iggy is that he should call for the resignation of Senator Baker for saying that Labrador and NFLD should become a "Bloc" party and withdrawal from the confederation!! And this is different from Harper's Firewall around Alberta speech how? The Conservatives are really getting desperate. Fisheries Minister Gail Shea was quoting a blogger, who was quoting someone else, calling the Seal Hunt an embarassment. She has to be careful, because polls show that the majority of Canadians don't approve of killing baby seals. She doesn't want to draw attention to that. If she wants to help the industry do it on the QT. Don't quote bloggers most Canadians agree with. I heard an interview with one of the seal hunters and he says the industry only has about five years left. The low price of pelts will end it, not some blogger. Put money into alternatives. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 The more I get to know the Irish (mother in law) the more I find that they may be a race of thieves, drunkards and perpetual liars...so - to hell with them ---- unless they can prove that my wifes side of the family have ethics and honour... Oh my goodness. I'm proud of my Irish heritage, even if it includes a few drunkards. An author wrote a firsthand book during the potato famine and she noted that there were many starving Irish begging outside a store. However, she went in and asked the storekeeper if he wasn't afraid they would come in and steal, but he said that they weren't above begging, but would rather die than steal. Newfoundland is coming into it's own, and is nothing like it was a few years ago. They are a proud people and have a lot to be proud of. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Oleg Bach Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 To believe that mankind came from one man and woman, means that you also believe that incest is acceptable. The next generation would mean that brothers and sisters had to cohabitate. I read an argument that the Bible clearly states that Adam had other children besides those with Eve. So who did he have them with. His daughters? Time is relative and the modern calendar was designed centuries after biblical times. When Cain the murdering vegan was sent off to wander in the land east of Eden - he married a "yellow" woman --- so much for your theory that I am some stupid fundy ---as for Christ - and I being raised by old believers that held the oral traditions - I was raised to understand that Christ had brothers and sister ...that Joe was his father - and he was possessed by the holy spirit and while Joe was possessed he sqirted some old fashioned high grade sperm and fertilized his yet to be married betrothed.. The water into wine storey..was an inside joke - he brought the dehydrated and drunk wedding guests - WATER...The inside joke was "you saved the best for last" - why would he turn cool water in to more wine when they were parched...water is the miracle. If you look at the reference in the O T - Genesis - "WE will make them in OUR own image - god was a group...and because we only know this - we still have no idea where or what God is...we are probably a colony ...But that does not take away the miracle and devine nature of the greatest Platonic thinker...CHRIST. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 To believe that mankind came from one man and woman, means that you also believe that incest is acceptable. The next generation would mean that brothers and sisters had to cohabitate. I read an argument that the Bible clearly states that Adam had other children besides those with Eve. So who did he have them with. His daughters? Time is relative and the modern calendar was designed centuries after biblical times. Forgot ----- he had another wife other than Eve - her name was Lilet or Liah... supposedly the mythical arch angel Shatan --- or Satan gave one of his wives to Adam.... It's weird after all of this time that America invades Iraq - which has the Garden of Eden between the Tigress and Uphrates rivers ---- wonder if George the fundy President was a tad fanatical in these regards? Quote
g_bambino Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 To believe that mankind came from one man and woman, means that you also believe that incest is acceptable. And don't forget the tolerance of supernatrual adutlery... Quote
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