Muslims in Canada want Sharia Law!

guyser · February 2, 2009

Were any of those groups taking part in world wide terrorism trying to bring down society?

Not sure, dont know all of 'em personally, and neither do you, but some might have been.

Were any of them trying to behead Canada's PM?

Huh?

Were any of them flying planes into buildings purposely?

No, those ones all died.

We still had one thing in common with all of them. They were all predominately Christian people as we are.

..and you dont want the jews allowed in...right?

cybercoma · February 2, 2009

Real culture [...] never changes.

Social science disagrees with you, sorry.

JB Globe · February 2, 2009

The number of Canadian-born leaders in the Muslim ommunities is liekely to grow as more <uslims are born here. In time, hopefully, a majority of them will not only be born here, but will also receive their spiritual training here.

Receiving their scholarly training in Canada isn't a prerequisite for an Imam to have moderate views. After all, it would be fully possible for an Islamic university in Canada to be funded by the Wahhabi movement, and of course there are many well-respected international schools that teach inclusive and peaceful interpretations of the Qu'ran.

Although it probably would be a source of pride for Canadian Muslims if Canada were to have a world-class Islamic school of it's own, and it would make it possible for more people to attend who couldn't afford to travel abroad.

cybercoma · February 2, 2009

Were any of those groups taking part in world wide terrorism trying to bring down society?
Were any of them trying to behead Canada's PM?

Were any of them flying planes into buildings purposely?

We still had one thing in common with all of them. They were all predominately Christian people as we are.

According to immigration statistics, China provides us with the largest number of immigrants every year. Considering it was Saudis that flew the planes into the WTC, I don't even see Saudi Arabia on the list. Did you want to qualify yourself or should I just view this post as blatant bigotry?

Also, between 1991-2001 there were nearly twice as many foreign born Catholics that emigrated here than Muslims.

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/p...a&B2=Counts

Edited February 2, 2009 by cybercoma

JB Globe · February 2, 2009

Nowadays the only thing we have in common with these new immigrants is that we're all humans. Nothing else.

If that's the case than why do so many of us and our parents count new immigrants or the kids of new immigrants (aka - your term for non-white immigrants) as our life-long friends? And please don't use some baseless rhetoric like: "oh, well you've been brainwashed by the liberal education system!" Because that kind of crap won't convince anyone.

Past immigrants wanted to be proud Canadians now they just want a welfare cheque and free health care. Past immigrants made this country, built it up from nothing and now we're just going to give it all away to people that largely did nothing to help build it and only seek to exploit Canada?

Actually, many old immigrants were criminals, chose to live in ethnic ghettos (The original Kensington Market), engaged in communal violence (Christie Pits Riots), and had customs which clashed with Anglo-Canadian sensibilities. Of course, there were also many who were of the hard-working kind you described.

There's a similar mix among today's immigrants, and my point is: if all of us were able to figure out a way for old immigrants to fit into Canadian society while still being Canadian in a time where the country was so xenophobic, being Irish was akin to being black, than we're more than capable of integrating all communities in this country now.

Why do you doubt our abilities as a nation so much, Mr. Canada? Why do you believe we can't overcome this challenge?

They wish to replace it with foreign culture and foreign traditions no matter what the cost just so they can hug a brown baby and have a picture taken.

And can you point to say, one or two government policies which represent this? I really hope you're not just rambling again.

JB Globe · February 2, 2009

Were any of those groups taking part in world wide terrorism trying to bring down society?

Absolutely. Many of those communities came from countries where people of their background were fighting conflicts where the other side considered them to be "terrorists" . . .

Ever hear of the Easter Rising in Ireland?

And many came from places where organized crime is considered to be on-par with terrorism in terms of the negative impact on society - the Italian government still sees it that way today.

Yet within a generation those communities were integrated . . .

Were any of them trying to behead Canada's PM?

If you are going to try and say that the actions of a dozen individuals are representative of a community of hundreds of thousands of people - than why are you only applying this logic to Muslim Canadians? Wouldn' the bad actions of a few white Christian Anglo Canadians represent ALL white Christian Anglo Canadians? Including yourself?

We still had one thing in common with all of them. They were all predominately Christian people as we are.

Unfortunately for your argument, in the 1800s being Catholic in Protestant English Canada really was the same thing as being from another religion. Society was just THAT much more xenophobic in those days, so differences that seem small now were enormous back then. Hence why the Irish and orthodox Eastern Europeans were treated like filth.

Argus · February 2, 2009

The only constant thing about culture is that it's always changing. The only thing everyone has in common in Canada, that would define our culture, is that we have nothing in common.

Perhaps culture is always changing - though it doesn't seem to have changed much in the middle east over the past thousand odd years - but we have to be wary of the direction that change goes.

And your belief we have nothing in common as a people is a common liberal contempt for Canadian traditions.

Argus · February 2, 2009

If our past is any indication, yes.

And did we ever have a time in the past where we had this low a birth rate, or anything close to this low? Combined with the highest intake of foreign cultures in our history?

Argus · February 2, 2009

Social science disagrees with you, sorry.

There is no such thing as "social science". Calling it a science of any kind is laughably innacurate. There is neither science nor accuracy to any of it.

That's why social "sciences" are in the liberal arts programs, not the science programs.

Argus · February 2, 2009

Yet within a generation those communities were integrated . . .

There is no indication that Muslims are integrating. In fact, if you examine the survey you'll see that the highest support for Sharia law comes from younger Muslims, the ones most likely to have been born here. That is also the group most interested in the idea of spreading Islam by violence.

Oleg Bach · February 3, 2009

May as well have Sharia law - seeing we have two governments - the courts and parliment...may as well have two judical systems also....we can have our conspiratorial lawyers and judges pander to the muslims and in the end over rule them anyway.

CANADIEN · February 3, 2009

Were any of those groups taking part in world wide terrorism trying to bring down society?
Were any of them trying to behead Canada's PM?

Were any of them flying planes into buildings purposely?

We still had one thing in common with all of them. They were all predominately Christian people as we are.

Let's talk about the Irish... Of the two politically murders of politicians since Confederation, one was done by an Irish nationalist. Financial contributions by Irish-Canadians and Irish-Americans were a major source of financing for the IRA until well in the 1970's.

Let's talk about Ukrainians and Eastern European immigrants. Those of the early 1920's supported marxist unions.

OF COURSE, THE ACTIONS OF THE FEWS ARE NOT THE ACTIONS OF THE MANY, NOW ARE THEY THE ACTIONS OF THOSE OF TODAY.

But the same things now said about Muslim immigrants used to be said about those immigrants as well. And they were not even considered sufficiently Christian by some to be worthy of living here.

CANADIEN · February 3, 2009

Receiving their scholarly training in Canada isn't a prerequisite for an Imam to have moderate views. After all, it would be fully possible for an Islamic university in Canada to be funded by the Wahhabi movement, and of course there are many well-respected international schools that teach inclusive and peaceful interpretations of the Qu'ran.
Although it probably would be a source of pride for Canadian Muslims if Canada were to have a world-class Islamic school of it's own, and it would make it possible for more people to attend who couldn't afford to travel abroad.

Well put. Was perhaps a little simplistic on my part. That being said, Islamic education that take in account the Canadian contaxt and fosters dialogue with the Canadian society as a whole would be most welcome.

Oleg Bach · February 3, 2009

We can be still on this topic - because we are full of cowardly hypocracy - Saudi Arabia put up the money to fly planes that damaged New York and killed thousands - yet we did not invade our oil brethern...we allowed them to indirectly kill our citizens - and it was fine ...as long as we did not have to give up any wealth - so we turned a blind eye to the truth - and still do --- America and Canada really do not have any crediblity when it comes to knocking the Muslims about. If there is money involved them we comply to evil... But if the Muslim is poor and there is no reward for us - then bashing them is easy and ecceptable - BUT as I said -- If the Muslims we were talking about regarding Sharia Law had billions of dollars that we could get a cut of -- then we would let them have what ever they wanted...It's a care of princple or lack of it. If the Muslim does not effect our wealth - then to hell with them --- If the Muslim generates wealth in our direction - then we respect the evil buggers.. it's always about the money and the policy of policial and economic prostition that we except as the norm.

ToadBrother · February 3, 2009

May as well have Sharia law - seeing we have two governments - the courts and parliment...

No, we have branches of government. The Executive, courts and Parliament are part of the same government, much as the steering wheel and transmission are part of the same car.

Molly · February 3, 2009

"Were any of those groups taking part in world wide terrorism trying to bring down society?"

Um... one set of my grandparents were GERMAN. Remember World Wars I and II?

Chris in KW · February 3, 2009

"Were any of those groups taking part in world wide terrorism trying to bring down society?"
Um... one set of my grandparents were GERMAN. Remember World Wars I and II?

Good point Molly! All four of my grandparents were German, which means I must be a Nazi.

Similarly, all Somalis are pirates.

All Chinese are communists (especially the ones who own businesses).

All British are colonial oppressors.

Come on everyone, there must be more stereotypes we can dredge up to feed our fear of Muslims!

Mr.Canada · February 3, 2009

"Were any of those groups taking part in world wide terrorism trying to bring down society?"
Um... one set of my grandparents were GERMAN. Remember World Wars I and II?

You just made my point. WWI and WWII were just that, wars with clear battle lines with nation against nation. Muslim terrorism is quite the opposite, there is no battlefield, there are no clear lines and it isn't nation against nation. When anyone thinks of terrorism nowadays they think of Muslim extremists, they think of bin Laden etc. Any Muslim could be a potential terrorist with a bomb strapped to them as is demonstrated in Israel with the cafe suicide bombings Any white dude you see on the street you can be pretty damned near 100% sure that he doesn't.

You're trying to defend terrorists and I find it amusing.

cybercoma · February 4, 2009

You just made my point. WWI and WWII were just that, wars with clear battle lines with nation against nation. Muslim terrorism is quite the opposite, there is no battlefield, there are no clear lines and it isn't nation against nation. When anyone thinks of terrorism nowadays they think of Muslim extremists, they think of bin Laden etc. Any Muslim could be a potential terrorist with a bomb strapped to them as is demonstrated in Israel with the cafe suicide bombings Any white dude you see on the street you can be pretty damned near 100% sure that he doesn't.
You're trying to defend terrorists and I find it amusing.

Actually, there's over a billion Muslims in the world. I think she's trying to defend the over 99% of them that aren't terrorists.

Oleg Bach · February 4, 2009

I'll tell what this pseudo terror war is about. It's about the bored and modern corporate master that longs to show that he is as much a man sitting in his sterile boardroom as the primative AK totting Taliban. Also - our western social engineers who are now projecting globally - are waging a war on tribalism - on the family - on the traditional non-compliant male..They want to smash - the tribe (but not theirs) - they want to casterate the males (but not themselves) - they want do dominate the planet and you can not have that with people who swear loyality to God and not the state - with men who are so proud they refuse to be enslaved - So the west - knows - that to achieve there globalist facist state...they must destroy all tribes (families) - they do it domestically and abroad. This is the war on terror - they are terrified of any man with balls!

CANADIEN · February 4, 2009

You just made my point.

You mean you just made yourself into a laughingstock AGAIN.

WWI and WWII were just that, wars with clear battle lines with nation against nation.

The Holocaust wasn't nation against nation, it was a genocide. When it comes to mass murder, the Nazis make Al-Quaida look like a bunch of amateurs. But I forgot, you have the numbers that prove that was virtually no Holocaust.

When anyone thinks of terrorism nowadays they think of Muslim extremists, they think of bin Laden etc.

Some also think of Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, people who bom abortion clinics, the Tamil Tigers, the authors of the Air India bombings, etc. You don't mention them. If I were to follow your logic, I would have to conclude you support non-Muslim terrorists.

Any Muslim could be a potential terrorist with a bomb strapped to them as is demonstrated in Israel with the cafe suicide bombings

And any Muslim could be someone who has no link to any terrorist.

Any white dude you see on the street you can be pretty damned near 100% sure that he doesn't

. Actually, any white dude I see on the street might be on his way to murder a doctor who performs abortions.

You're trying to defend terrorists and I find it amusing.

What is amusing is that you don't get how stupid your statement is.

Edited February 4, 2009 by CANADIEN

ToadBrother · February 4, 2009

You just made my point. WWI and WWII were just that, wars with clear battle lines with nation against nation. Muslim terrorism is quite the opposite, there is no battlefield, there are no clear lines and it isn't nation against nation. When anyone thinks of terrorism nowadays they think of Muslim extremists, they think of bin Laden etc. Any Muslim could be a potential terrorist with a bomb strapped to them as is demonstrated in Israel with the cafe suicide bombings Any white dude you see on the street you can be pretty damned near 100% sure that he doesn't.
You're trying to defend terrorists and I find it amusing.

You aren't such a bigot that you actually believe every Muslim out there is a potential terrorist? You keep talking about how you're not racist, and then you write this "Any white dude you see on the street you can be pretty damned near 100% sure that he doesn't."

I wonder what your priest would think if you told him that.

Molly · February 4, 2009

If there was no fear of terrorism during WWII, then why did we have internment camps, to pre-emptively jail so many of our fellow citizens?

Xenophobia then; same thing now.

Mr.Canada · February 4, 2009

Lets look at the evidence of the rise of Sharia Law in Canada.

FACT - 53% of Muslims think sharia law should be the Law in Canada

FACT - 55% of Muslim women and 59% of Muslims aged 18 to 29 want Sharia Law in Canada. These are young educated people who were most likely born in Canada.

FACT - 45% of Canadian Muslims possess a university degree (or higher), compared with 33% of Canadian population.

This alone proves that these people don't share the same affection for Canada that our founders did. This isn't the Canada our founders had in mind at Confederation.

Source

M.Dancer · February 4, 2009

This alone proves that these people don't share the same affection for Canada that our founders did. This isn't the Canada our founders had in mind at Confederation.
Source

That's a non sequitor...I know..I know you only post these clangers so I can point them out...

BTW...didn't our founders include parochial schools?