Health Care

[guyser]

Looks like we agree then that Cuba does not produce doctors that can be immediately accredited in Canada. They may train them well to Cuban standards, or your standards, but not up to Canadian standards.

No Doctor should be immediately accredited outside of a family physisician. But I am not one who thinks Cuban docs are bad, and in fact it seems they are pretty damn good. They lead us in years lived, docs per 1000 people.

What it seems they dont get is the high tech tool training, but what they do get is better basic knowledge, again, only from what I have read and I am no expert.

[Topaz]

I read some years ago that Cuba has a very good healthcare system. Here's a linkhttp://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=1733

[M.Dancer]

I read some years ago that Cuba has a very good healthcare system. Here's a link http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=1733

oh brother...

[blueblood]

They do, but I understand the CMA has more control on that than the govt. I may be wrong, but it is my knowledge that the CMA reports to and gets the govt to follow along.

I believe that the CMA has set itself up as an elite org, and does not want the overly stringent requirements for Drs from other countries be allowed to practice , unless they re-do almost all the schooling here in Canada. Plainly, thats dumb.

No research mind you , but it seems that it is rural areas hard hit by a lack of doctors.

Another instance of why Unions are poison. Set up a salary cap adjusted for inflation and let private come in alongside public.

[Brunopolis]

Our problem with health care is not the fact that we need to funnel more money into it. The problem with our health care is the lack of qualified physicians.

http://www.visabureau.com/canada/news/04-1...rs-by-2010.aspx

Canada has a near retarded policy of relying almost purely on immigration to fill our doctor shortage. Don´t you think we should train our own physicians?

http://www.chspr.ubc.ca/research/hhr/anatomy

By the looks of it we need to stop putting ridiculous limits on our medical schools. Many nations don´t and surprisingly they don´t suffer a physician shortage. Our policy of using immigration to fill our physician gaps is near criminal. Not only are we stealing skilled professionals that poorer nations had to spend money and time training but we are short changing our own citizens by not giving them the opportunity to train and take these much needed positions.

[blueblood]

Our problem with health care is not the fact that we need to funnel more money into it. The problem with our health care is the lack of qualified physicians.

http://www.visabureau.com/canada/news/04-1...rs-by-2010.aspx

Canada has a near retarded policy of relying almost purely on immigration to fill our doctor shortage. Don´t you think we should train our own physicians?

http://www.chspr.ubc.ca/research/hhr/anatomy

By the looks of it we need to stop putting ridiculous limits on our medical schools. Many nations don´t and surprisingly they don´t suffer a physician shortage. Our policy of using immigration to fill our physician gaps is near criminal. Not only are we stealing skilled professionals that poorer nations had to spend money and time training but we are short changing our own citizens by not giving them the opportunity to train and take these much needed positions.

Take that up with the Universities and the CMA. I agree with you, but those two outfits are flat out evil.

[guyser]

Our problem with health care is not the fact that we need to funnel more money into it. The problem with our health care is the lack of qualified physicians.

The lack of Docs can be , mostly or partly, laid at the feet of provincial Deputy Ministers who authored a report in 1990 swaying we had a dearth of Docs. They were wrong.

Canada has a near retarded policy of relying almost purely on immigration to fill our doctor shortage. Don´t you think we should train our own physicians

Canada doesnt, and we do, but the clue is in the details, since around 1980 most Docs were GP's, and by the end of the century it was specialization that was the norm. Specialists dont want to live outside the major cities or the major hospitals , thus rural folks get the shaft.

By the looks of it we need to stop putting ridiculous limits on our medical schools.

Med schools get to charge far more for a foreign student than for a domestic one. And since those same schools have budget issues, especially here in Ont, they are merely capitalizing on fees paid.

[Brunopolis]

The lack of Docs can be , mostly or partly, laid at the feet of provincial Deputy Ministers who authored a report in 1990 swaying we had a dearth of Docs. They were wrong.

Canada doesnt, and we do, but the clue is in the details, since around 1980 most Docs were GP's, and by the end of the century it was specialization that was the norm. Specialists dont want to live outside the major cities or the major hospitals , thus rural folks get the shaft.

Med schools get to charge far more for a foreign student than for a domestic one. And since those same schools have budget issues, especially here in Ont, they are merely capitalizing on fees paid.

Do you have a report or an article refering to what I bolded I´m actually rather interested and if I´m wrong on a particular viewpoint I´d like to correct it.

Thanks

[Pliny]

Nonsense.

They have no access in their schools or practices or hospitals to state of the art imaging and diagnostic equipment, or to new drugs.

Not good enough, not nearly good enough to work on this body.

I pay a lot for quality medical care in Canada, and I insist on getting it.

Health care in Canada is free. Michael Moore outlined that quite clearly in his factual documentary.

As for quality - keep on insisting - maybe one day.

[Michael Hardner]

I've been thinking on this topic a little more.

As Adam Smith explained it, the invisible hand takes care of markets and causes sellers to be motivated to provide goods and services at the commonly perceived value.

But when a convential market is removed, as with health care in Canada, then there is no invisible hand. As such, we need to find other ways to motivate people to manage services properly. One such way would be to shine the spotlight on the agencies that manage healthcare.

Unfortunately, those agencies - especially provincial governments - do a very good job of making it impossible to find out how well they're doing.

We need to demand better.