bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Oh Mr. Canada I want to point out my articles talk about close to 20 separate cases not 2. Thanks for not reading. But your "articles" are from American web sites....which can't be trusted...right? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 But your "articles" are from American web sites....which can't be trusted...right? When did the BBC become an American website? George Bush buy it? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 When did the BBC become an American website? George Bush buy it? No, George Bush is alive and well, but your bug chase leads straight to New York City! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 No, George Bush is alive and well, but your bug chase leads straight to New York City! See cause the articles I was referring which you didn't read are the ones on the start of the page. All UK articles. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 See cause the articles I was referring which you didn't read are the ones on the start of the page. All UK articles. ..but you posted a bunch more....Yankee style. Salute! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 ..but you posted a bunch more....Yankee style. Salute! Nothing wrong with that. I am an American eh? Well I have duel. Quote
CANADIEN Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 I want to help the homosexual community By spreading the LIE that HIV is a "gift" from God. And the LIE that those who put the topi c in a larger perspective are trying to ignore it or deflect attention from it. SHAME on you, Sir! SHAME on you Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Nothing wrong with that. I am an American eh? Well I have duel. That's great...but my smarmy comment is more about the data domain. The OP started with an academic from Calgary? You added some Yankee and Limey flair. Yet we can't really determine the veracity of the contention.....worldwide. There have been several high profile HIV sexual assault cases in Canada IIRC. So Mr. Canada's declaration is not completely without merit. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
CANADIEN Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 The homsexual predator must be stopped for the good of the nation as a whole. We cannot have HIV infected homosexuals preying on the innocent trying to infect our young people in our University and College towns any longer. But we can safely ignore the heterosexual predator, right? We also must remove the coolness factor of being a "bug chaser" in order to educate our young people to not throw their lives away for immoral sexual relations. HIV isn't cool, being a bug chaser isn't cool spreading HIV isn't cool. This is the message we must get out to our homosexual community. And it starts with the efforts, from both within and and outside the gay community, to fight homophobia and show gay men that self-hatred is not the answer. Most people who wilfully try to infect others with HIV do not do it because it's cool, they do it out of hatred -- when it's gay men, often because of self-hatred as well. Most people who commit or attempt suicide (and that's why wilful attempts at getting a life-threatening disease are) do not do so because it's "cool"... They do it because they see it as the only way out. The root cause is self-hatred, which is taught. Deal with that first. Quote
punked Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 That's great...but my smarmy comment is more about the data domain. The OP started with an academic from Calgary? You added some Yankee and Limey flair. Yet we can't really determine the veracity of the contention.....worldwide.There have been several high profile HIV sexual assault cases in Canada IIRC. So Mr. Canada's declaration is not completely without merit. None having to do with Bug Chasing. Bug Chasing has to do with two people one who is infected and one who wants to be. Quote
CANADIEN Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 No one is saying all homosexuals except those who don't agree with the article. Quote? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 (edited) None having to do with Bug Chasing. Bug Chasing has to do with two people one who is infected and one who wants to be. Doesn't matter.....in Canada.....it would still be sexual assault to knowingly transmit HIV, even to an eager recipient. Edited January 13, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
CANADIEN Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Because a topic makes you uncomfortable doesn't make it false. Because facts that puts the issue in a larger perspective cannot be used to further homophobia do not make them irrelevant. Quote
CANADIEN Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 You clearly have an over-idealized perception of homosexuality and the gay lifestyle. Why, because he doesn't egage in homophobia? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Because facts that puts the issue in a larger perspective cannot be used to further homophobia do not make them irrelevant. True, but any serious epidemiology would be above such concerns. If "bug-chasers" exist, it is a public health issue regardless of "homophobia". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Doesn't matter.....in Canada.....it would still be sexual assault to knowingly transmit HIV, even to an eager recipient. Pretty sure the law says "one must inform a sexual partner when there a “significant risk” of transmitting HIV. So no it would not be sexual assault. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Pretty sure the law says "one must inform a sexual partner when there a “significant risk” of transmitting HIV. So no it would not be sexual assault. But you are assuming that such informed consent would be the case....not sure that is clear. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 But you are assuming that such informed consent would be the case....not sure that is clear. If you want HIV and I tell you I have it and we have anal sex. I have informed you and while there is "significant risk" becuase I have informed you no wrong doing under the criminal code of Canada. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 If you want HIV and I tell you I have it and we have anal sex. I have informed you and while there is "significant risk" becuase I have informed you no wrong doing under the criminal code of Canada. OK.....but I can still "bug-chase" without any such informed confirmation. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 OK.....but I can still "bug-chase" without any such informed confirmation. Not really that is not what a bug-chaser is. You would just be a barebacker if you did not seek out those who are HIV positive. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Not really that is not what a bug-chaser is. You would just be a barebacker if you did not seek out those who are HIV positive. I disagree....even the so called "gay community" puts the responsibility on all partners to practice safe sex. So if we take time to parse the bug-chasing concept, it is easily realized without much of a concerted effort, including "barebacking". In other words, the practical realities of disease transmission transcends any silly ass concern or perceptions specifically about "chasers" defined in such a narrow context. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 I disagree....even the so called "gay community" puts the responsibility on all partners to practice safe sex. So if we take time to parse the bug-chasing concept, it is easily realized without much of a concerted effort, including "barebacking".In other words, the practical realities of disease transmission transcends any silly ass concern or perceptions specifically about "chasers" defined in such a narrow context. I agree barebacking is dumb however it is different from bug chasing. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 I agree barebacking is dumb however it is different from bug chasing. Not according to the opening piece: Growing numbers of gay men are having unprotected sex and some of them are either deliberately transmitting HIV to other men or are trying to get infected, says an alarmed academic. .....So-called bug-chasers are HIV-negative men who are either unopposed to getting infected or are actively pursuing it, says Kevin Alderson, an associate professor of counselling psychology at the University of Calgary. Ergo...a "bug-chaser" is defined in the larger context. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Not according to the opening piece: Growing numbers of gay men are having unprotected sex and some of them are either deliberately transmitting HIV to other men or are trying to get infected, says an alarmed academic. .....So-called bug-chasers are HIV-negative men who are either unopposed to getting infected or are actively pursuing it, says Kevin Alderson, an associate professor of counselling psychology at the University of Calgary. Ergo...a "bug-chaser" is defined in the larger context. Barebackers don't however "chase" the bug and are ofter opposed to getting infected. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Barebackers don't however "chase" the bug and are ofter opposed to getting infected. You are adding an element of discovery that can only be presumed, not proven. Any person, regardless of gender, who engages in unprotected sex risks any number of infectious diseases, including HIV. I think too much emphasis has been placed on the literal term "chase", which is meaningless in the larger context of the article. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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