Progressive Tory Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 Most gays are unhappy. It's not because of the supposed persecution but because a lot of them are emotionally scared from childhood and don't fit in to the rough mainstream...I have asked a few gays this question - "If I were to put you on a desert Island with a fine and gentle beautiful woman for two years - and I returned...would their be a child born?" - most said yes .....this is much like the so-called lesbian community - they simply don't like borish monkey like males - who are cruel and self serving irresponsible selfish pleasure seekers...It's all about the quality of the partner - not the sex. You can't be serious. Sounds to me like you'd better find a new group of friends to hang around with. This is absolute nonsense. Did you ask your straight friends, that if they were on a desert island for two years without contact from the opposite sex, only a same gender partner, if they wouldn't form a sexual relationship. Case in point: Prison. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
ToadBrother Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 Most gays are unhappy. It's not because of the supposed persecution but because a lot of them are emotionally scared from childhood and don't fit in to the rough mainstream...I have asked a few gays this question - "If I were to put you on a desert Island with a fine and gentle beautiful woman for two years - and I returned...would their be a child born?" - most said yes .....this is much like the so-called lesbian community - they simply don't like borish monkey like males - who are cruel and self serving irresponsible selfish pleasure seekers...It's all about the quality of the partner - not the sex. I wonder how many gays you even know. Quote
ToadBrother Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 A factual basis that homosexuals have a PENCHANT for unprotected sex? I don't think so. Most self hatred comes as a result of society's views and many of society's views are formed on the basis of religion. Until organized religion discourages discrimination, there will always be a feeling that they are letting people down. Dr. Alderson's book is a guide for those within the community to handle homophobia, before it leads to depression or suicide. ('bug chasing' could be classed as suicidal tendencies) I'm not denying that a handful of homosexuals are engaged in destructive behavior, but we need to get to the root. Maybe it's parents or church leaders who drove them to it. Certainly not a penchant. I'm not sure why you're even conceding this point. Small groups of people of all sorts engage in destructive behavior. Other than Mr. Canada's deep-seated bigotry, I see no reason to, say, put homosexuals in a special group apart from heterosexuals of similar behaviors. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 Mr. Canada should practice his supposed Christianity and show love for all - sure we don't agree with the gay thing ...what are we to do? kill them all? - It's not about tolerance or agreement or even exceptance - it's about having a kind and civil society - as written - "It rains on the evil as well as the good" - Point being - and I love the word grace - which originally meant - the undeserved mercy of God...that's class - to be kind and noble to those that in your opinion are not worthy of kindness and forgiveness ....It would be a better world if we loved as many as we can on a daily basis. Real civility would be nice. Quote
ToadBrother Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 Mr. Canada should practice his supposed Christianity and show love for all - sure we don't agree with the gay thing ...what are we to do? kill them all? - It's not about tolerance or agreement or even exceptance - it's about having a kind and civil society - as written - "It rains on the evil as well as the good" - Point being - and I love the word grace - which originally meant - the undeserved mercy of God...that's class - to be kind and noble to those that in your opinion are not worthy of kindness and forgiveness ....It would be a better world if we loved as many as we can on a daily basis. Real civility would be nice. I suppose I can send this sentiment on to the Jews who, a couple of weeks ago, you were maligning. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 Mr. Canada should practice his supposed Christianity and show love for all - sure we don't agree with the gay thing ...what are we to do? kill them all? - It's not about tolerance or agreement or even exceptance - it's about having a kind and civil society - as written - "It rains on the evil as well as the good" - Point being - and I love the word grace - which originally meant - the undeserved mercy of God...that's class - to be kind and noble to those that in your opinion are not worthy of kindness and forgiveness ....It would be a better world if we loved as many as we can on a daily basis. Real civility would be nice. Homosexuals intentionally spreading HIV is morally wrong. Homosexuals intentionally getting infected with HIV is also morally wrong. My religion has nothing to do with these facts. I'm not forcing homosexuals to be "bug chasers" as they call themselves. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 So are those same things wrong when non homosexuals do them? Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 So are those same things wrong when non homosexuals do them? Obviously smallc, the scope of the topic has to do with homosexuals. So I'm trying to concentrate on them atm. Don't worry I give everyone equal bashing time. HIV is the reward given by God as a prize for ones own immorality. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Obviously smallc, the scope of the topic has to do with homosexuals. Obviously, the scope of this topic is rather arbitrary. Willfully spreading and contracting HIV is wrong, no matter who is doing it. We should be trying to understand why this is happening, not turning homosexuals into some kind of evil force. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 Obviously, the scope of this topic is rather arbitrary. Willfully spreading and contracting HIV is wrong, no matter who is doing it. We should be trying to understand why this is happening, not turning homosexuals into some kind of evil force. The article would seem to imply that it's happening on a grander scale within the homosexual world as they have nicknamed themselves "bug-chasers". It lends to the idea that a organized subculture has formed Smallc, which is what I found interesting and is why I posted it. I have yet to learn of a hetro subculture forming and going around infecting the masses and purposely being infected as the sodomites are doing. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
ToadBrother Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 The article would seem to imply that it's happening on a grander scale within the homosexual world as they have nicknamed themselves "bug-chasers". It lends to the idea that a organized subculture has formed Smallc, which is what I found interesting and is why I posted it. I have yet to learn of a hetro subculture forming and going around infecting the masses and purposely being infected as the sodomites are doing. It takes a lot of balls for a Catholic to call some other group "sodomites". Quote
CANADIEN Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Obviously smallc, the scope of the topic has to do with homosexuals. So I'm trying to concentrate on them atm. Don't worry I give everyone equal bashing time. Nice DODGING again. At least though, you are not hiding the fact that you are engaging in gay bashing HIV is the reward given by God as a prize for ones own immorality. HIV is a reward - or should we say punishment - from God? What immoral acts were committed by CHILDREN BORN with HIV? But why stop there? Perhaps earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions are God's punishment too, right? The Shoa nust be payback for the Crucifiction. And you call yourself a Catholic. Quote
Melanie_ Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 HIV is the reward given by God as a prize for ones own immorality. Why on earth would anyone want to worship such a nasty god as the one you describe? Your god is a jerk, Mr. C. Quote For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela
CANADIEN Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Why on earth would anyone want to worship such a nasty god as the one you describe? Your god is a jerk, Mr. C. His God is the true God. The problem, as usual with zealots, is not God, but some of His worshippers. Quote
Melanie_ Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 His God is the true God. The problem, as usual with zealots, is not God, but some of His worshippers. How can you claim there is any true god? This is the problem with religion - everyone thinks theirs is the one that is "right". That is how belief works, and I have no problem with someone holding beliefs that seem good and right to them, but you can't say that one god or set of beliefs is right for everyone. Quote For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela
WIP Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Then the same applies for Jews, most Muslims, most Buddhists, and people who are raised with "taditional" Indian myths and legends... So what makes Christian myths and legends any more legitimate than Indian myths and legends? Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
WIP Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 A factual basis that homosexuals have a PENCHANT for unprotected sex? I don't think so. I'm willing to bet that the number of gay men who have a penchant for unprotected sex is about equal to the number of straight men who don't want to wear condoms (actually I hate condoms myself, that's why I don't f___ around). The difference is that women act as tough negotiators when it comes to sex, and therefore have a restraining influence on the number of sexual partners the average guy is going to have. Gay men are in a community of MEN, who like most men, will be as promiscuous as they can get away with. Most self hatred comes as a result of society's views and many of society's views are formed on the basis of religion. Until organized religion discourages discrimination, there will always be a feeling that they are letting people down. That may happen in time, after all the churches have had to change their tune on a few other social issues before; until then, it's going to be hard to expect churches to do anything meaningful to discourage discrimination, when they are still teaching that homosexuals are the way they are because they have chosen to sin! What kind of guilt trip does that load on to an unfortunate child growing up with this dogma if they are finding themselves attracted to members of their own sex? I'm not denying that a handful of homosexuals are engaged in destructive behavior, but we need to get to the root. Maybe it's parents or church leaders who drove them to it. Certainly not a penchant. I still can't find the right words yet to get the point across, but what I find the most revolting about these fundamentalist gay bashers is that they support everything that would make a young gay person feel inner anguish and self hatred, and then they point fingers at the ones who become nihilistic and self destructive when they can't come to terms with the fact that they are gay. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
WIP Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 His God is the true God. The problem, as usual with zealots, is not God, but some of His worshippers. I can't help noticing that "God" does not speak up and set the record straight as to which of the more than 30000 Christian sects are worshiping him in the correct manner. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
charter.rights Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 I can't help noticing that "God" does not speak up and set the record straight as to which of the more than 30000 Christian sects are worshiping him in the correct manner. Perhaps Redjacket had something pertinent to say to the Jesuit on the subject of religion as he encountered it in 1810: Brother! You say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agree, as you can all read the book? Brother! We do not understand these things. We are told that your religion was given to your forefathers and has been handed down, father to son. We also have a religion, which was given to our forefathers, and has been handed down to us, their children. We worship that way. It teaches us to be thankful for all the favors we received, to love each other, and to be united. We never quarrel about religion." "Brother! We do not wish to destroy your religion, or to take it from you. We only want to enjoy our own. Brother! You say you have not come to get our land or our money, but to enlighten our minds. I will now tell you that I have been at your meetings and saw you collecting money from the meeting. I cannot tell what this money was intended for, but suppose it was for your minister; and if we should conform to your way of thinking, perhaps you may want some from us. Brother! We are told that you have been preaching to the white people in this place. These people are our neighbors. We are acquainted with them. We will wait a little while, and see what effect your preaching has upon them. If we find it does them good and makes them honest and less disposed to cheat Indians, we will then consider again what you have said. Brother! – Great numbers of black coats have been among the Indians. With sweet voices and smiling faces, they offered to teach them the religion of the white people. Our brethren in the East listened to them. They turn from the religion of their fathers, and look up the religion of the white people. What good has it done? Are they more friendly, one to another, than we are? No, Brother! They are a divided people; we are united. They quarrel about religion; we live in love and friendship. Besides, they drink strong waters, and they have learned how to cheat and how to practice all the other vices of the white people, without imitating their virtues. Brother! – We do not worship the Great Spirit as the white people do, but believe that the forms of worship are indifferent to the Great Spirit. It is the homage of sincere hearts that pleases him, and we worship him in that manner. Brother! –If you white people murdered the Saviour , make it up yourselves. We had nothing to do with it. If he had come among us, we should have treated him better” Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) More garbage from charter.rights that has nothing to with the post. I'm not surprised at the numerous attempts to derail my post pointing to a very serious problem facing the homosexual community. So instead of discussing it like adults and drawing attention to it most here would rather change the subject, sad times we live in indeed when members of our community are screaming for help and their met with sarcasm from the very people whom are intended to support them. It takes someone like me to stand up and draw attention to this very real problem. Someone who is from the conservative branch of society yet I'm willing to try and get these people some help all the while the socialists are just making jokes. It sends a message as to who is actually serious about doing good for our country and who is in it merely for the jokes. Homosexuals intentionally infecting other homosexuals is a serious matter. Homosexuals intentionally infecting themselves is a serious matter. This conservative takes it seriously, when will the socialists follow suit? Edited January 12, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
madmax Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 This is just alarming to say the least. This is what goes on in the homosexual areas of our cities? Well Mr. Canada.... Married Heterosexuals get the disease then committ murder. The estranged wife of a Hamilton man accused of killing two women by deliberately infecting them with the virus that causes AIDS testified Tuesday as a witness for the prosecution. Juliet Aziga said she and her husband Johnson were married in September 1988 but legally separated 11 years later, about three years after he tested positive for the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). The couple met while studying at the University of Guelph. .... Aziga later became employed as a research analyst with the Ontario Ministry of the Attorney General and the couple had three children together. There are also cases of young children joining gangs and been forced to fight or have sex with someone who claims to be HIV positive. But then here is the work of an Evangelical Christian Leader who died..... Winter contracted HIV more than 10 years ago. She was newly divorced and lonely and got involved with the evangelical leader. Fred got sick, and Winter took him to the hospital. He was diagnosed with full-blown AIDS. Doctors urged Winter to get tested for the HIV virus. Ms. WINTER: I found out that Fred had been told he was HIV [positive] about nine years before he met me, and he denied it, and this is a very typical thing. Denial is a huge part of HIV for everybody. I denied that I could get it. He denied he had it. I think the betrayal was worse than getting the disease, and I think many people who get HIV — it’s because of betrayal. Can't stereo type this by sexual orientation. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) No such attempt is being made. This article is about homosexuals so lets stay on topic. I want to help the homosexual community and you just want to deflect the attention away from them which isn't fair. There are real problems with these bug chasers in the homosexual community but you wish to bury them and pretend they're not real. I'm willing to take a stand and bring their plight to the forefront not bury my head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exsist...SHAME on you sir! SHAME! It takes someone like me to stand up and draw attention to this very real problem. Someone who is from the conservative branch of society yet I'm willing to try and get these people some help all the while the socialists are just making jokes. It sends a message as to who is actually serious about doing good for our country and who is in it merely for the jokes.Homosexuals intentionally infecting other homosexuals is a serious matter. Homosexuals intentionally infecting themselves is a serious matter. This conservative takes it seriously, when will the socialists follow suit? Edited January 12, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
madmax Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Read my signature and take the test, do I look like a socialist to you? Quote
madmax Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 More garbage from charter.rights that has nothing to with the post. I'm not surprised at the numerous attempts to derail my post pointing to a very serious problem facing the homosexual community. Have you taken up this issue with a Gay Conservative MP or MPP? I am certain they would be happy to entertain you for an hour? Quote
Argus Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 STAY ON TOPIC PLEASE. Calling it a 'penchant' for homosexuals to engage in unprotected sex is your own interpretation, with no factual basis. Oh come on. What planet are you living on? Men are perverted whores. The only restrain on our behaviour is women. Lacking women, fags are total perverted whores all the time, with generally far and away more partneres than in the heterosexual community, and less efforts at protection. The very concept of the gay bathhouse is unworkable in the straight community, not because there aren't a lot of straight men who wouldn't go somewhere to have sex with lots of women, but because you couldn't get enough women to go along without paying them. Hint: you're never going to see women hiding in the bushes in downtown parks waiting for strange men to wander by so they can offer them oral sex. Ontario's gay health minister started ranting about homosexuals forgetting all they had learned about protection for sex a couple of years back. Young gay men have lost their fear of HIV and rates of all kinds of STDs, including HIV, have been rising rapidly in the gay community as a result. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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