Ignatieff vaults Liberals into tie with Tories: poll

[blueblood]

Now there is a perceptional issue! The "hot iron" being carried by Harper! I think not, Steve the Wonder PM ran scared and screaming from the Commons all the way to the GG's office.

Yet the coalition was too scared to take their message to the people.

[blueblood]

In my view, you've made the cogent argument for Michael Ignatieff to vote non-confidence in Stephen Harper. After 2 1/2 to 3 years of a Liberal/NDP coalition, Harper will be gone and the Conservatives will be reduced to an extremist Reform rump.

To let Harper continue as Prime Minister will result in the political scenario you suggest. From a policy standpoint, 4 years of a Conservative majority would wreck Canada: modern conservatives have shown around the world, and in Canada, they are incapable of governing effectively.

Diefenbaker, Reagan, and Thatcher would disagree with you.

[Mr.Canada]

Yet the coalition was too scared to take their message to the people.

The voters won't forget next time. The people will be reminded that without a Tory majority, you're giving the Separatist led Coalition permission to govern.

[blueblood]

The voters won't forget next time. The people will be reminded that without a Tory majority, you're giving the Separatist led Coalition permission to govern.

Which is why Ignatieff has distanced himself from the coalition and is enjoying a bump in the polls...

[Mr.Canada]

Which is why Ignatieff has distanced himself from the coalition and is enjoying a bump in the polls...

For now. He's still in his honeymoon phase plus government is prorogued so we don't get to hear him everyday. He's barely spoken publicly since his coronation for leader of the LPC. The LIberals say Harper has been hiding. Ignatieff hasn't exactly been front and centre either.

[Barts]

Diefenbaker, Reagan, and Thatcher would disagree with you.

I think that would be obvious, don't you think.

[noahbody]

I do think it is clear that Harper takes a risk if he thinks he can call an election in late January.

Every Canadian, including yourself, owes Harper some gratitude. If he wanted to destroy the Liberal Party and get a majority all he had to do was let the Dion led coalition form government. But apparently, he cares too much about his country to let that happen. I have no problem with Ignatieff at all.

[Smallc]

But apparently, he cares too much about his country to let that happen.

Replace "this country" with "power" and that statement would be true....the same would be true of Dion for the most part.

[jdobbin]

Every Canadian, including yourself, owes Harper some gratitude. If he wanted to destroy the Liberal Party and get a majority all he had to do was let the Dion led coalition form government.

If the Governor General had granted an election that might have been the result. If the Liberals had been asked to form the government, I believe it would have been Harper who would have been ousted first.

I still believe Harper intended his economic statement as a mean to cripple the Liberals while Dion was still in office and then call an election before May.

Perhaps you owe the Liberals some gratitude since an election before May was likely prevented.

[Mr.Canada]

Replace "this country" with "power" and that statement would be true....the same would be true of Dion for the most part.

But not Ignatieff? He came back to Canada for the first time in 30 years for real noble reasons right? LOL. He saw weak leadership and a chance to grab the PMO, nothing more.

[Smallc]

Its true to varying degrees of most people who wish to become the leader of something.

[noahbody]

If the Governor General had granted an election that might have been the result.

To grant something it first has to be requested.

I still believe Harper intended his economic statement as a mean to cripple the Liberals while Dion was still in office and then call an election before May.

Of course you do. You were certain he was going to use the crime bill to call an election too.

Perhaps you owe the Liberals some gratitude since an election before May was likely prevented.

I actually do. Someone was smart enough to realize Crazy shouldn't be driving the bus.

[jdobbin]

To grant something it first has to be requested.

I'm sure that is what Harper would have requested, don't you?

Of course you do. You were certain he was going to use the crime bill to call an election too.

Actually, other people stated that. I said that there was no reason to declare a non-money bill as a confidence measure. I said it would be totally up to Harper to do that and said there would be risks to such a thing.

I actually do. Someone was smart enough to realize Crazy shouldn't be driving the bus.

We still have Crazy driving the bus but now he has someone prepared to pull him out of the driver's seat if he acts like a horse's ass again.

[Molly]

'Xcuse me?

You are sure that Harper requested an election call when he went crawling for prorogation to avoid a non-confidence vote?

No. He begged for and got an election the month before. If he dared ask for another, then he is even less deserving of his post than I think he is.

[jdobbin]

You are sure that Harper requested an election call when he went crawling for prorogation to avoid a non-confidence vote?

No. He begged for and got an election the month before. If he dared ask for another, then he is even less deserving of his post than I think he is.

My answer was in regards to whether his government lost the confidence vote. He would have asked for an election.

Edited January 15, 2009 by jdobbin

[Molly]

Thank you. You horrified me with that comment. I'm glad to know that it was a miscommunication.

[noahbody]

My answer was in regards to whether his government lost the confidence vote. He would have asked for an election.

Thanks for clarifying that. I can roll my eyes back now.

[Radsickle]

Iggy rocks