madmax Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 The recession may be in fact over in terms of the business cycle, but employment is still in the tank and consumer confidence is with it. I have seen no data that says the recession ended. The banks may be stable and the auto industry may be experiencing a rebirth, but the debt is rising and the cost of servicing it will explode when the economy finally turns around. Harper is not a fool, he knows this. That sounds about right. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Posted August 24, 2009 Nope it says he does not support "a program of torture." Just like Bush and Obama. I support no torture because it is useless, crewel, and wrong under so many international standards. Igantieff is ready to sell this countries morals out right I am not. He doesn't support torture. You are just spinning now. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Posted August 24, 2009 Dobbin....do you believe what Mr. Ignatieff said in that quote? Try and give me a yes or a no...because he is very clear in his statement. That wasn't a quote he made. Quote
punked Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 That wasn't a quote he made. Nope it was a quote from HIS publisher summarizing HIS book that HE approved. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Posted August 24, 2009 Nope it was a quote from HIS publisher summarizing HIS book that HE approved. And it said he doesn't support torture which I showed you. Quote
punked Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 And it said he doesn't support torture which I showed you. It said no such thing for those us that can read. It said he does not support a "program of torture." Those are two different things, one implies no torture under any circumstances, the other says torture is fine as long as it is not a systematic goal. If you read you would know he supports violence of all forms including as long as it might prevent something in the future. Quote
madmax Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 And it said he doesn't support torture which I showed you. Yes Ignatieff has stated he is against torture but for cohersive interogations and to create a system of torture light that is acceptable. He creates an ambilivant two faced approach in order to appease the Bush/Cheney simplistic view on Terror. Ignatieffs support for pre emptive strikes are downright disturbing. His has few concerns for human life. He is confortable seeing Iraqi kids sacrificed for imposed democracy. Ignatieff is a scarey dude. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Posted August 24, 2009 It said no such thing for those us that can read. It said he does not support a "program of torture." Those are two different things, one implies no torture under any circumstances, the other says torture is fine as long as it is not a systematic goal. If you read you would know he supports violence of all forms including as long as it might prevent something in the future. That sounds to me like not supporting torture. I've already shown you how some NDP don't even believe in questioning suspects as they believe that it a form of violence. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Posted August 24, 2009 Yes Ignatieff has stated he is against torture but for cohersive interogations and to create a system of torture light that is acceptable.He creates an ambilivant two faced approach in order to appease the Bush/Cheney simplistic view on Terror. I don't recall him supporting the Bush Cheney approach to torture. Ignatieffs support for pre emptive strikes are downright disturbing. His has few concerns for human life. He is confortable seeing Iraqi kids sacrificed for imposed democracy. So do you don't believe in any type of action, only reaction? Ignatieff is a scarey dude. So are the extreme left wing types who don't even believe in questioning suspects. Quote
punked Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 That sounds to me like not supporting torture.I've already shown you how some NDP don't even believe in questioning suspects as they believe that it a form of violence. No you haven't you showed me one quote where Alexa spoke against targeting someone for questioning becuase they wrote an unfavourable academic article about the government. You have not shown me the NDP is against questioning. How does that sound like not supporting torture. Was it when Iggy said "Violence is good and we should torture people as long as it is not systematic" that you thought he was against torture. Even his own publishers say he is for torture Dobbin. Keep lying to yourself maybe he changed his mind and you are right although if any of his writings are true he is wrong and he is scary to the idea of a free country. We fallow the rules Dobbin becuase we fight for the rules. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 ....Ignatieff is a scarey dude. No worries....he can just take his lead from the Americans as usual...be it Bush or Obama. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) I don't recall him supporting the Bush Cheney approach to torture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD85y2rSXS4 http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/626545 Edited August 24, 2009 by punked Quote
punked Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 So are the extreme left wing types who don't even believe in questioning suspects. Good thing those people don't exist. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 That wasn't a quote he made. Funny how you didn't say that until I asked you if you believed what it said. I wanted to see if you had the courage to actually stand behind what Mr. Ignatieff believes in - whether it was summarized, paraphrased or whatever. Apparently, you don't. I happen to believe in that quote......I wanted you to say it so I could agree with you....if you believed it. Quote Back to Basics
jdobbin Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Posted August 24, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD85y2rSXS4 It doesn't say he supports torture here. Quote
punked Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 It doesn't say he supports torture here. http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/626545 Quote
jdobbin Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Posted August 24, 2009 Funny how you didn't say that until I asked you if you believed what it said. I wanted to see if you had the courage to actually stand behind what Mr. Ignatieff believes in - whether it was summarized, paraphrased or whatever. Apparently, you don't. I happen to believe in that quote......I wanted you to say it so I could agree with you....if you believed it. You said Igntaieff said it. He didn't. He has said he doesn't support torture. He doesn't and explains why. He also explained what he does believe in. Now, some might disagree with that but then I disagree with some in the NDP who believe we shouldn't even question anyone because they believe it intimidates. And intimidation is a form of violence for some and in the case of interrogation, torture. Quote
punked Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 You said Igntaieff said it. He didn't.He has said he doesn't support torture. He doesn't and explains why. He also explained what he does believe in. Now, some might disagree with that but then I disagree with some in the NDP who believe we shouldn't even question anyone because they believe it intimidates. And intimidation is a form of violence for some and in the case of interrogation, torture. This is Dobbin Spin away from Iggy's support of Torture which he has successfully done before but we all know it is just a Dobbin lie. So lets bring this back to Iggy's support of Violence and war. Why does he support torture is it becuase he thought it would keep in his role or move him up the ladder in the States? I always wondered why he took the position he did? Quote
madmax Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 So do you don't believe in any type of action, only reaction? Like Most Canadians. I did not support the Naked Aggression of the United States towards Iraq. Like most of the World that did not support the Naked Agression of the United States. This is a good reason to keep Ignatieff away from a position of power. He is dangerous. Quote
madmax Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 You said Igntaieff said it. He didn't.He has said he doesn't support torture. He doesn't and explains why. He also explained what he does believe in. Yes he believes in torture, even though he says he is against it, he then creates acceptable levels of torture. Ignatieff was promoting torture during hte Abu Graib fiasco. That is how out to lunch he can be. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Posted August 24, 2009 This is Dobbin Spin away from Iggy's support of Torture which he has successfully done before but we all know it is just a Dobbin lie. So lets bring this back to Iggy's support of Violence and war. Why does he support torture is it becuase he thought it would keep in his role or move him up the ladder in the States? I always wondered why he took the position he did? Any quote you have shown me always says he doesn't support torture. All you do is lie and spin. Quote
waldo Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 ya, ya - and is this Canadian Press/Harris Decima poll... the one that patterns most legitimate polls over recent months... the anomaly? uhhh, sorry floundering malcontent dippers and overly zealous Cons - one should really separate the Canwest/Ipsos crap from that of legitimate polling companies. OTTAWA - A new poll suggests the Conservatives and Liberals remain locked in a dead heat amid rumblings of a possible fall election.The Canadian Press Harris-Decima survey put the parties in a statistical tie, with 32 per cent support for the Liberals and 31 per cent for the Tories. The NDP were at 16 per cent, the Greens at 11, and the Bloc Quebecois at nine. The numbers have barely budged throughout the summer, a period in which voters are typically disengaged. Some Liberals have been pushing for an autumn election while the Tories have been trashing the idea, saying it would hurt the economic recovery. The survey of just over 2,000 respondents was conducted Aug. 13-23 and is considered accurate to within 2.2 percentage points 19 times in 20. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Posted August 24, 2009 Like Most Canadians. I did not support the Naked Aggression of the United States towards Iraq. Like most of the World that did not support the Naked Agression of the United States. This is a good reason to keep Ignatieff away from a position of power. He is dangerous. So I assume you did not support the blockade and no fly zone? Quote
punked Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 ya, ya - and is this Canadian Press/Harris Decima poll... the one that patterns most legitimate polls over recent months... the anomaly? uhhh, sorry floundering malcontent dippers and overly zealous Cons - one should really separate the Canwest/Ipsos crap from that of legitimate polling companies. That poll was conducted before the IR one you know that right? The IR was over August 18-20 this one was the 13-20. So unless we see the tracking number it stands that either could be an out lier Quote
jdobbin Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Posted August 24, 2009 ya, ya - and is this Canadian Press/Harris Decima poll... the one that patterns most legitimate polls over recent months... the anomaly? Must be an outlier poll. Quote
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