Religious Right in Canada

Mr.Canada · January 12, 2009

Regardless of your beliefs it is true. Church attendance has been declining steadily for 50 years now.
Infact only 10% of Canadians attending Church once or more a week. Welcome to the minority Mr. Canada can we persecute you now?

LOL, Christians are persecuted more than all others as it is sir.

I knew it's been in decline for a while but perhaps it's more so in certain areas. My current Church is rammed every week as was my old parish. Both Catholic Churches. Perhaps it's on the rebound now?

10%? That seems a bit low punked. Is this true?

Edited January 12, 2009 by Mr.Canada

punked · January 12, 2009

LOL, Christians are persecuted more than all others as it is sir.
I knew it's been in decline for a while but perhaps it's more so in certain areas. My current Church is rammed every week as was my old parish. Both Catholic Churches. Perhaps it's on the rebound now?

10%? That seems a bit low punked. Is this true?

Most Stats say it is around 15-20% but most of the time these Stats are over reported. Welcome to the religious right a voice no one will hear.

Edited January 12, 2009 by punked

Mr.Canada · January 12, 2009

Most Stats say it is around 15-20% but most of the time these Stats are over reported. Welcome to the religious right a voice no one will hear.

I guess it's up to those of us who are involved to get those Christians who love Jesus out to Church more often. Those who haven't been to Church in a while, those you have been meaning to go for the longest time and most importantly those who have never been to Church to witness the love of Jesus Christ.

Time to get the word out. Most people trust a Christian and recognize Christians as good, wholesome people.

Smallc · January 12, 2009

Most people trust a Christian and recognize Christians as good, wholesome people.

Yes, I'm sure that's how the majority of the board feels about you based on the things that you have said.

Mr.Canada · January 12, 2009

Yes, I'm sure that's how the majority of the board feels about you based on the things that you have said.

Lol, no not me. I'm probably one of the most hated around here. To love Mr.Canada is to hate him. I blow a lot of smoke for effect and to get peoples attention. I may make some valid points but I often blow them out of proportion or make gratuitous and provocative titles. Most other Christians I'm sure though are well respected and trusted.

madmax · January 12, 2009

Lol, no not me. I'm probably one of the most hated around here. To love Mr.Canada is to hate him. I blow a lot of smoke for effect and to get peoples attention. I may make some valid points but I often blow them out of proportion or make gratuitous and provocative titles. Most other Christians I'm sure though are well respected and trusted.

We know you are a characature.

Archie Bunker was lovable.

charter.rights · January 12, 2009

I'm a strong conservative Christian. I believe in strong family values.
I live my life by my faith. If that's hard for you to swallow, tough.

I'm not feeding you anymore Mr. Hardner.

Faith is dead without works. Show us your miracles and then we can tell if your faith is true.

guyser · January 12, 2009

My current Church is rammed every week as was my old parish.

Euphemism?

M.Dancer · January 12, 2009

Euphemism?

euphemenicalism

guyser · January 12, 2009

euphemenicalism

LOL good one.

AngusThermopyle · January 12, 2009

I stand on the side of citizens who are sick and tired of being held prisoners by the hookers, johns, pimps and crack dealers who are armed most of the time.

Don't forget those dammned Mimes! We should clear them off the streets too.

WIP · January 12, 2009

Those I portrayed as victims were PEOPLE, MEN and WOMEN murdered by a blood-thirsty regime. But as religious people, I suppose that their fate was deserved, and besides, why should they stand in the way of some good 'ole religion-bashing...

Don't lay phony outrage on me! I wouldn't have objected to your analysis of Stalin and the Bolshevik Revolution of 1918 if you hadn't placed the state church which gave divine legitimacy to the czarist regimes, and owned most of the land that peasants toiled away on trying to earn a meager existence, on the list of victims. The Church wasn't a victim, they were the primary source of opposition to reform. Anyway this is what you said a few days ago:

QUOTE(CANADIEN @ Jan 10 2009, 07:52 PM) *

Most of the hierarchy and lower clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church were murdered during the Revolution of 1917-1922. That Church was the victim of murders, deportations and other forms of persecution during most of the existence of the Soviet regime;

If Stalin was overthrown in a violent revolution, would you be weeping for the hierarchy and low ranking Party officials murdered?

The "I'll use anything and everything to attack religion" routine is getting tiresome. I wouldn't say that the countless victims of the Inquisition and relligious wars are less worthy of sympathy because of what they believed or didn't believe, nor would I see that at least they murderers believed in God.

It's not about using anything to attack religion, it's a matter of dealing with the huge blindspot liberal Christians and other theists have that makes it impossible for them to admit that following many theologies leads to violence and oppression. You can't blame all religion-inspired atrocities as the work of a few extremists or people who don't understand God, whatever that's supposed to mean!

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WIP · January 12, 2009

Mr. Canada,
I did respond, by explaining to you that your assertion that you don't need to take "crap" proves that you are not a follower of the Christian philosophy. It's not an attack. Christianity is a philosophy as well as a religion. If someone was professing to be a Darwinist but didn't believe in evolution, then they'd be incorrect as you are with your false belief that you're a Christian.

The problem is that everyone who claims to believe in the god of the bible can call himself a Christian...even Mr. Canada! The Bible is the great book of mulitple choice, so liberal-minded people who believe in the values you identify as Christian, can find their verses, but if Mr. Canada knew his way around the Bible he'd be able to find verses to support his vengeful, uncharitable attitude and emphasis on divine judgment. Even Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church can cite scriptures to support his belief in an angry, vengeful god that sends almost everyone to hell.

Michael Hardner · January 12, 2009

People can claim lots of things. Fortunately, the gospel provides us a guide as to whether or not they are what they say they are.

Jerry J. Fortin · January 12, 2009

People can claim lots of things. Fortunately, the gospel provides us a guide as to whether or not they are what they say they are.

These words are both true and wise.

Mr.Canada · January 12, 2009

The religious right is gaining momentum and will be taking a stronger position on issues and forcing policy at an increasing rate. It won't be long before we get control over the Tories. Christians and other conservative religions are joining the Tories to help lead Canada throughout the new century.

Jerry J. Fortin · January 12, 2009

The religious right is gaining momentum and will be taking a stronger position on issues and forcing policy at an increasing rate. It won't be long before we get control over the Tories. Christians and other conservative religions are joining the Tories to help lead Canada throughout the new century.

Get control of the Tories? Control you say? So much for the separation of church and state. I certainly hope you do not speak for a majority of Conservatives.

CANADIEN · January 13, 2009

Good riddance to the scum I say.

this virus of society.

Wanting to treat criminals harshly is one thing... This... that you belong to the same Church as me makes me sick.

CANADIEN · January 13, 2009

So you support hookers on your streets? You support crack dealers and gun violence on your streets?

Nice try, Nobody who can read can confuse disgust at your un-christian views with support, acceptance or tolerance for crime.

CANADIEN · January 13, 2009

Well these whores need to find something else to do in order to make money. Breaking the law to this extent is not likely to be tolerated for very long. There are jobs everywhere if one is only to look but the problem is that most if not all of these whores have substance abuse problems to one or several substances. Throw them all in jail without bail on sight and lets clean up our streets.

Of course, nothing about helping them vanquish their sickness while they're in jail.

CANADIEN · January 13, 2009

Ao You feel you are the victim of personal attacks, Mr. Canada. Allow me to join in with this...

You obviously support hookers, pimps, drug dealers and crack heads in your neighborhood.

A vicious personal attack, and a LIE on top of that. Feel free to denounce its author.

CANADIEN · January 13, 2009

Don't lay phony outrage on me!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

QUOTE(CANADIEN @ Jan 10 2009, 07:52 PM) *
Most of the hierarchy and lower clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church were murdered during the Revolution of 1917-1922. That Church was the victim of murders, deportations and other forms of persecution during most of the existence of the Soviet regime;

If Stalin was overthrown in a violent revolution, would you be weeping for the hierarchy and low ranking Party officials murdered?

As much as i weep for any victim of any murder.

It's not about using anything to attack religion

Yeah right

You can't blame all religion-inspired atrocities as the work of a few extremists or people who don't understand God, whatever that's supposed to mean!

So I presume we cannot solely blame the atrocities committed by Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hoxha, Pol Pt, Kim Il Jung and and other leaders of murderous ATHEIST regimes on those individuals and a few extremists, right?

Not to say that those who had murdered "in the name of God" were a few. But if you think that will deny God and His love because of what others have done, you are barking at the wrong tree.

Edited January 13, 2009 by CANADIEN

Goat Boy© · January 13, 2009

I can't believe this thread is still alive.

WIP · January 13, 2009

So I presume we cannot solely blame the atrocities committed by Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hoxha, Pol Pt, Kim Il Jung and and other leaders of murderous ATHEIST regimes on those individuals and a few extremists, right?

For all of your condemnations of the Christian Rigtht, you sure don't mind leafing through their propaganda when it suits your purpose! You think any atheist hasn't heard this claptrap about Stalin etc. before? This one gets trotted out like an ace played from the bottom of the deck, every time the believers are confronted with yet another religious despot or demagogue claiming god is on his side.

Now, let me ask you, what exactly is an ATHEIST REGIME? Since atheism is a non-belief in gods or the supernatural, that leaves the door pretty wide open with regard to setting up a system of beliefs. Atheism has no position on oppression, or tyranny, or anything at all actually--except for the lack of belief in gods. Atheism is not a comprehensive moral or philosophical system, nor does it pretend to be. If I was going to explain what I believe in and what principles are important to me, I would begin with saying that I am a secular humanist...and guess what, none of the atheists in your list were humanists, because humanism begins with the rights and interests of the individual, whereas Communism stresses collective rights. Marx wanted Communism to be atheistic so he could have a blank slate to create his own political philosophy. The atrocities committed are due to the failings of the system he devised and the modifications made by his followers when applying Communist principles.

So, to sum it up, you can base a political philosophy and ethical rules on a set of religious dogmas, but you can't base a philosophy on atheism because atheism doesn't provide rules and guidelines. You have to go a step further and analyze whatever naturalistic philosophy the atheist is using. On the other hand, the religion-based system may be used to provide supernatural authority to a despotic monarch or a fascist regime, as has been done throughout history.

Not to say that those who had murdered "in the name of God" were a few. But if you think that will deny God and His love because of what others have done, you are barking at the wrong tree.

Which makes no sense because I don't care whether or not you believe in god; my objection is to your classifying a church that enabled and profited from a feudal monarchy among the victims of Communism.