ToadBrother Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Precisely, the socialists will never see the hypocrisy of their own arguments as they believe man to be divine and their socialist ideals to be above all others. They wish to force their secular, homosexual loving, we are the world way of life on the entire country and planet. Any disagreement will be met with name calling and bullying tactics. We live in a liberal democracy, not an authoritarian theocracy. Laws reflect the idea that personal liberties should be interfered with as little as possible. No one's personal liberties are impinged upon by saying "The State has no right enforcing any particular religious view." The only people that object to that are people like you, self-righteous would-be authoritarians who do desire to force their religious beliefs on to others. No one is coming into your church and forcing gay marriages. No one is coming into your home and tearing down your cross. No one is coming up to you on the street and demanding that you stop talking about religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Ever heard the phrase "Happy Holidays"? I forgot... someone who whishes me "Happy Holidays" is infringing on my right to be a Christian... Get a life... and feel free to live it in places like Saudi Arabia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 We live in a liberal democracy, not an authoritarian theocracy. Laws reflect the idea that personal liberties should be interfered with as little as possible. No one's personal liberties are impinged upon by saying "The State has no right enforcing any particular religious view." The only people that object to that are people like you, self-righteous would-be authoritarians who do desire to force their religious beliefs on to others.No one is coming into your church and forcing gay marriages. No one is coming into your home and tearing down your cross. No one is coming up to you on the street and demanding that you stop talking about religion. I'm well aware of that Toadbrother and yes I do not disagree with you. I feel that the right has to keep pushing against the socialists to remain in the middle as we are today pretty much. The more outlandish I am in here the more moderate other conservatives look in comparison with only a minor shift in stance. This is my pov anyhow. I'm, a strong conservative but not quite as extreme as I portray here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I'm well aware of that Toadbrother and yes I do not disagree with you. I feel that the right has to keep pushing against the socialists to remain in the middle as we are today pretty much. The more outlandish I am in here the more moderate other conservatives look in comparison with only a minor shift in stance. This is my pov anyhow. I'm, a strong conservative but not quite as extreme as I portray here. Yet it is people like you and Rod Bruinooge that put the Kibosh on any chance a tory majority has of forming. Any idiot knows that socialism is not the way to go, that's why the Liberals and Tories enjoy close to 70-75% of the popular vote. The Liberals are a little too left and touchy feely when it comes to crime for me, but they certainly aren't NDP style socialists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) I'm well aware of that Toadbrother and yes I do not disagree with you. I feel that the right has to keep pushing against the socialists to remain in the middle as we are today pretty much. The more outlandish I am in here the more moderate other conservatives look in comparison with only a minor shift in stance. This is my pov anyhow. I'm, a strong conservative but not quite as extreme as I portray here. Demanding a more religious society is not a minor shift from a normal conservative position, it's practically a different political philosophy. I gather you're a Catholic, so I would think you would be somewhat more sensitive to religious freedoms. When you're feeling curious some time, look into the Test Acts, which penalized Catholics and Non-comformists. The Test Acts were the major inspiration for the notions of religious liberties that inspired the Founding Fathers of the US. Edited January 11, 2009 by ToadBrother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Demanding a more religious society is not a minor shift from a normal conservative position, it's practically a different political philosophy.I gather you're a Catholic, so I would think you would be somewhat more sensitive to religious freedoms. When you're feeling curious some time, look into the Test Acts, which penalized Catholics and Non-comformists. The Test Acts were the major inspiration for the notions of religious liberties that inspired the Founding Fathers of the US. I'm in no way demanding a more religious society. I'm demanding nothing at all. I wish to have more input on policy just like any other group would want and get. My input on policy is that I would like to see more of a morally positive stance on social issues for example, which I don't see how that can be a bad thing. Harsher penalties for criminal acts and build more prisons if necessary. These scum bags must not be getting out on bail after committing violent or drug related crime. Society must be protected from this scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Are abortions and homosexuality moral? What about the death penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 I'm in no way demanding a more religious society. I'm demanding nothing at all. I wish to have more input on policy just like any other group would want and get. My input on policy is that I would like to see more of a morally positive stance on social issues for example, which I don't see how that can be a bad thing. It's bad if things are made criminal simply because you claim your religion names them as immoral. Harsher penalties for criminal acts and build more prisons if necessary. These scum bags must not be getting out on bail after committing violent or drug related crime. Society must be protected from this scum. No one can argue with that, but reading your posts (such as recent inflammatory anti-gay rhetoric) one suspects that you are now dissembling your true desires for what would be illegal simply to pose as being a more reasonable, centrist person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) It's bad if things are made criminal simply because you claim your religion names them as immoral. No one can argue with that, but reading your posts (such as recent inflammatory anti-gay rhetoric) one suspects that you are now dissembling your true desires for what would be illegal simply to pose as being a more reasonable, centrist person. If my religion claims them as immoral that's one thing but it doesn't make them a good thing for society just because you want to disagree with everything I say. Sometimes it's just a coincidence as I am a fairly reasonable centrist person on many issues, some I am more to the right and some to the left. Are abortions and homosexuality moral? What about the death penalty? I personally see homosexuality and abortion as decidedly immoral as do millions of Canadians but I wouldn't advocate making either illegal. I support reinstating the death penalty for horrific crimes. Edited January 12, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 You have already advocated for making abortion illegal, so spare me. What you say above shows the problem with your idea. What is moral? Who decides? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 You have already advocated for making abortion illegal, so spare me. What you say above shows the problem with your idea. What is moral? Who decides? What does it matter? You can't legislate morality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 What does it matter? You can't legislate morality. Well, you can attempt to legislate your own morality....another problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Well, you can attempt to legislate your own morality....another problem. Even that won't work.....legal and illegal are divorced from individual moralities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 You have already advocated for making abortion illegal, so spare me. What you say above shows the problem with your idea. What is moral? Who decides? If I have I have also taken it back. This forum has made me see things differently and I have revised my position on a few things. I aqm capable of change too you know, I'm, not a robot Smallc. Moral1 a: of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ethical <moral judgments> b: expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior <a moral poem> c: conforming to a standard of right behavior d: sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment <a moral obligation> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 What does it matter? You can't legislate morality. And the consequences of trying can lead to unintended consequences. Making prostitution illegal did not make prostitution go away, it simply drove it out of the brothels and on to the streets, where, as we can see by the Picton murders in Vancouver, these vulnerable women are basically abandoned to johns, pimps and much much worse. As Isaac Asimov once famously said, never let your sense of morality get in the way of doing the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 And the consequences of trying can lead to unintended consequences. Making prostitution illegal did not make prostitution go away, it simply drove it out of the brothels and on to the streets, where, as we can see by the Picton murders in Vancouver, these vulnerable women are basically abandoned to johns, pimps and much much worse.As Isaac Asimov once famously said, never let your sense of morality get in the way of doing the right thing. It did however make law abiding girls think twice before entering that line of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 No, they (especially Stalin) had terror and the belief in man-made quasi-divinities (the proletariat and the cult of personnality). So, should we conclude that for you it somehow mitigates their crimes? What I objected to was the portrayal of the Russian Orthodox Church as a victim. If anything, they played a big role in creating the conditions that led to Communism. The Communist government may have tried to copy some aspects of religion, such as the personality cults -- but their quasi religion didn't have the powers that the state church could claim, such as the divine surveillance camera in the sky watching down on the people, and the ability to reward and punish people beyond the grave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) What I objected to was the portrayal of the Russian Orthodox Church as a victim. If anything, they played a big role in creating the conditions that led to Communism. The Communist government may have tried to copy some aspects of religion, such as the personality cults -- but their quasi religion didn't have the powers that the state church could claim, such as the divine surveillance camera in the sky watching down on the people, and the ability to reward and punish people beyond the grave. Those I portrayed as victims were PEOPLE, MEN and WOMEN murdered by a blood-thirsty regime. But as religious people, I suppose that their fate was deserved, and besides, why should they stand in the way of some good 'ole religion-bashing... The "I'll use anything and everything to attack religion" routine is getting tiresome. I wouldn't say that the countless victims of the Inquisition and relligious wars are less worthy of sympathy because of what they believed or didn't believe, nor would I see that at least they murderers believed in God. Edited January 12, 2009 by CANADIEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 And the consequences of trying can lead to unintended consequences. Making prostitution illegal did not make prostitution go away, it simply drove it out of the brothels and on to the streets, where, as we can see by the Picton murders in Vancouver, these vulnerable women are basically abandoned to johns, pimps and much much worse.As Isaac Asimov once famously said, never let your sense of morality get in the way of doing the right thing. These are drug addicted women that few if anyone cared about. Surviving only to be of service to men for money then to buy drugs and get stoned. The drugs they buy are from people who sell crack and meth to kids and degrade neighborhoods into ghettos. Just like I don't shed a tear every time a crack dealer gets killed, I could care less. Good riddance to the scum I say. We need to clean up our streets and arrest every whore and drug dealer on sight, round them all up every night for a month. Bail automatically denied and sit in jail til trial. No plea bargains either. Take away the TV sets and cable as well. Bring back the chain gangs to clean up our roadways. Lock these people up and protect the honest citizens from this virus of society. This scum wants to play hardball with the good law abiding citizens, we should treat them the same way when we lock them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Just like I don't shed a tear every time a crack dealer gets killed, I could care less. Good riddance to the scum I say. Mr. Canada, you have no right to call yourself a christian. You should be ashamed of such an attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Mr. Canada, you have no right to call yourself a christian. You should be ashamed of such an attitude. I should be sad when I see a crack dealer get shot? A crack dealer who cares only for money and not the lives and neighborhoods they destroy? This attitude is what's wrong with Canada. Bleeding hearts for a drug dealer, gimme a break Smallc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 "These are drug addicted women that few if anyone cares about." According to news reports, there are about 300 child prostitutes in the city of Regina. (And God only knows how many in the rest of Canada.) If I had to choose between the morality of prostitution and the morality of being a John, I'd say the prostitute has the better side of innocence. If there were no willing buyers among the 'honest citizens', there would be no 'scum', who, in their desperation, sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Death and murder are not good things, no matter who they happen to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 "These are drug addicted women that few if anyone cares about."According to news reports, there are about 300 child prostitutes in the city of Regina. (And God only knows how many in the rest of Canada.) If I had to choose between the morality of prostitution and the morality of being a John, I'd say the prostitute has the better side of innocence. If there were no willing buyers among the 'honest citizens', there would be no 'scum', who, in their desperation, sell. Well these whores need to find something else to do in order to make money. Breaking the law to this extent is not likely to be tolerated for very long. There are jobs everywhere if one is only to look but the problem is that most if not all of these whores have substance abuse problems to one or several substances. Throw them all in jail without bail on sight and lets clean up our streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Well these whores need to find something else to do in order to make money.....Throw them all in jail without bail on sight and lets clean up our streets. I want to thank you for this thread. People are waking up to those in the religious right. Your views need to be open and spread out to a larger audience. The CPC is going to have to openly stop pandering to the religious right or get active and support its agenda. Its time the CPC poop or get off the pot. Keep up your hard work. Your passionate vision will determine the success or failure of the CPC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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