Religious Right in Canada

[whowhere]

A great deal of Christian theology, Protestant and Catholic, is in fact simply Aristotlean.

People don't read. They have their heads up their ass. By the looks of it christianity stems from greek philosophy. You should elaborate on what you mean. It's been so long since I looked at that stuff but I do believe plato, Socrates, or Aristotle had a story about love and the last supper and so on. Christianity certainly parallels this story. If I was really bored I would track that story for interest sake but I have to many other things I am looking at to care to enlighten the dullards.

[M.Dancer]

I do believe plato, Socrates, or Aristotle had a story about love and the last supper and so on. Christianity certainly parallels this story. If I was really bored I would track that story for interest sake but I have to many other things I am looking at to care to enlighten the dullards.

All three eh? You sure you don't want to lump Pythagorous as well in there?

You want to go to town with that?

[M.Dancer]

aha aha, have you read the New Testament/Gospel Donkey?? READ IT!! Then come back. Yes, they called themselves Christians and Jesus postured himself as God!! Anyone who has read the books will understand why Jesus was crucified. Not a shock. Jesus was an assault on the laws of moses and the practices of the children of Isreal.

I take it you have never read the gospels or the New Testament...

no where in it is the word Christian used. and no where does Jesus abrogate the laws.

[whowhere]

All three eh? You sure you don't want to lump Pythagorous as well in there?

You want to go to town with that?

READ!!! There is an OR in there.

[M.Dancer]

READ!!! There is an OR in there.

No matter. None of them have a "last supper" story...

[whowhere]

I take it you have never read the gospels or the New Testament...

no where in it is the word Christian used. and no where does Jesus abrogate the laws.

I have read the King James version, old and new about 5 or 6 times over my life. I get more out of it everytime I do. Because I went about it the hard way this site will make it easy for you. My take is that you are a Jesus lover. That is fine, but over my years I have never come across an honest christian. Many so called christians are effing liars.

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?q...mp;qs_version=9

Acts 11:26

And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Acts 11:25-27 (in Context) Acts 11 (Whole Chapter)

Acts 26:28

Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

Acts 26:27-29 (in Context) Acts 26 (Whole Chapter)

1 Peter 4:16

Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

1 Peter 4:15-17 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)

Amazing, huh??

[M.Dancer]

I have read the King James version, old and new about 5 or 6 times over my life. I get more out of it everytime I do. Because I went about it the hard way this site will make it easy for you. My take is that you are a Jesus lover. That is fine, but over my years I have never come across an honest christian. Many so called christians are effing liars.

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?q...mp;qs_version=9

Amazing, huh??

I sit corrected...

[whowhere]

No matter. None of them have a "last supper" story...

Sorry to break it to you buddy but Christianity is rip off of Greek philosophy. The Fact the New Testament was traslated from Greek and Greek, Latin, and Aramaic were the languages of the day plays into this potential reality. Where's the new testament written in Hebrew from 2000 years ago?. Could it be possible Christianity was a greek philosphy conspiracy to thwart Judaism. From what I have looked at, I beleive it could have been.

[M.Dancer]

From what I have looked at, I beleive it could have been.

You borrowing Topaz's conspiracy toatser?

[gordiecanuk]

aha aha, have you read the New Testament/Gospel Donkey?? READ IT!! Then come back. Yes, they called themselves Christians and Jesus postured himself as God!! Anyone who has read the books will understand why Jesus was crucified. Not a shock. Jesus was an assault on the laws of moses and the practices of the children of Isreal.

Call nobody God but he who is your father in heaven. Sorry, have so much trouble with contradictions in the NT (and OT too). On top of that, all the stuff in John that doesn't exist in the other 3 gospels....makes me think John's Jesus was different from the one Matthew Mark and Luke were following.

I am the way and the light etc etc....MLT, where you guys take off to when he said that? Why'd Johnnie miss that bit about mustard seeds, John was hearing impaired maybe.

[M.Dancer]

Sorry to break it to you buddy but Christianity is rip off of Greek philosophy.

That's a poist hoc assumption. Early Christains interpreted Greek Philospohy to suit christianity, not the other way around. Augustine's writings make this patently clear even as the early church made mental yoga trying to turn Plato into a pre messianic quasi prophet.

As far as the Greeks are concerned, outside of the Selucids, the greeks were probably blissfully unaware of judaism or their culture..

[whowhere]

As far as the Greeks are concerned, outside of the Selucids, the greeks were probably blissfully unaware of judaism or their culture..

Really, You read the New testament and story of Jesus? The new testament reads like a Novel. Obviosly, the synogogus and the Jews were a force in the times of Rome. READ the new testament. Jesus and his crew set about to uproot the Jews with his words and actions. Did Jesus succeed? Obviously, because you have chritian whoredoms all around the world.

Put Christianity into Context. Moses establishes a law and statues for the jews. Jesus comes along and says I am for everyone and don't worry about the laws of moses just beleive in me and all is forgiven. Anyone who buys into this obviously has not read the Old Testament. Each and Every prophet is cry out for the people to abide by the commandments and statues of moses. All of a sudden Jesus comes along and says God didn't mean it and just believe in me and all will be fine. OK, go ahead and beleive, that is your perogative.

What christians don't understand is they have new rules brought forward in the New Testament that are just as restrictive as the laws of Moses. No real winning but the paradox is Jesus is a parasite onto the God of Moses and if there is truly a God of Moses you can count on Jesus selling you out for his own sake.

These books say alot of things. Particularly, God is the author of God and Evil. You can arrive at whatever conclusions you want because these books are romper room to say the least and shockingly there is cohesion to them.

[M.Dancer]

Really, You read the New testament and story of Jesus? The new testament reads like a Novel. Obviosly, the synogogus and the Jews were a force in the times of Rome. READ the new testament. Jesus and his crew set about to uproot the Jews with his words and actions. Did Jesus succeed? Obviously, because you have chritian whoredoms all around the world.

Put Christianity into Context. Moses establishes a law and statues for the jews. Jesus comes along and says I am for everyone and don't worry about the laws of moses just beleive in me and all is forgiven. Anyone who buys into this obviously has not read the Old Testament. Each and Every prophet is cry out for the people to abide by the commandments and statues of moses. All of a sudden Jesus comes along and says God didn't mean it and just believe in me and all will be fine. OK, go ahead and beleive, that is your perogative.

What christians don't understand is they have new rules brought forward in the New Testament that are just as restrictive as the laws of Moses. No real winning but the paradox is Jesus is a parasite onto the God of Moses and if there is truly a God of Moses you can count on Jesus selling you out for his own sake.

These books say alot of things. Particularly, God is the author of God and Evil. You can arrive at whatever conclusions you want because these books are romper room to say the least and shockingly there is cohesion to them.

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[ToadBrother]

Rome adopted, amended and regulated the Christian faith...in many ways to Christianity's detriment...and no amount of reformation has been able to expunge some of their mistakes. As Mark Twain once said, "If Jesus were alive today, he wouldn't call himself a Christian".

I doubt very much that Twain was referring to Catholicism or Orthodox Christianity, seeing as his upbringing wouldn't exactly have brought him into contact with many folks of those pursuasions. His roots were in the South, the land of such fine Christian churches as the Southern Baptist Convention, brought into existence by all those kindly slave owners who didn't like their fellow Baptists in the North complaining about slavery.

And the idea that the Reformation produced some form of Christianity closer to pre-Constantinian is ludicrous, when you consider the number of churches, some with very radically different positions on various theological issues, that the Reformation spawned; everything from Anabaptists right on to the crypto-Catholics of High Anglicanism.

What happened when Constantine adopted Christianity was that the Church finally had the power of the state to start taking on some of the major heresies of the day. Those heresies, for the most part, would be considered heresies still even by your local neighborhood Protestant church, so I have no idea how you can justify your statement.

Edited January 1, 2009 by ToadBrother

[whowhere]

I doubt very much that Twain was referring to Catholicism or Orthodox Christianity, seeing as his upbringing wouldn't exactly have brought him into contact with many folks of those pursuasions. His roots were in the South, the land of such fine Christian churches as the Southern Baptist Convention, brought into existence by all those kindly slave owners who didn't like their fellow Baptists in the North complaining about slavery.

And the idea that the Reformation produced some form of Christianity closer to pre-Constantinian is ludicrous, when you consider the number of churches, some with very radically different positions on various theological issues, that the Reformation spawned; everything from Anabaptists right on to the crypto-Catholics of High Anglicanism.

What happened when Constantine adopted Christianity was that the Church finally had the power of the state to start taking on some of the major heresies of the day. Those heresies, for the most part, would be considered heresies still even by your local neighborhood Protestant church, so I have no idea how you can justify your statement.

Not sure what you are driving at but in the time of Constantine Christianity meant a christian state. The Government become one with Christianity. As the centuries trickled on, Europe evolved where Kings and Queens were tied to the Roman Catholic Church. A domino effect of supporting the Independence of the United States and the Rise of Napoleon Collapsed the Christian Dementia on Europe. Today you have ankle biting churches wanting the glory days of Christian Sheeples and the governments and bureacrats who subscribe to machievelli who want an invisible force to police the people once again. Christianity is dead. The break away people look to the government and media as God. Sadly, they will be disappointed because that is vanity. The OT talks about vanity at lenght. We are in the age of science, machine, aliens perhaps, and above all facts and logic.

That said contradictions will not fly. Come on Christianity starts off with the Big dick of God going in on Mary to impregnate her with Jesus. Angel Gabriel appears unto Joseph and tells him he cannot go in on Mary until God is done with Mary. Joseph gets God's sloppy seconds? Hey, its not like God created eve from adams Rib or Flooded the world he had to resort to sex with the virgin mary. Ok, what a retarded story from the start. In a twist the Muslims believe Angel Gabriel appeared unto Mohammed and gave him the Koran. Really what we have is Christians and Muslims smoking the same crack pipe.

[Mr.Canada]

Whowhere is obviously upset with God. I hope that no one is taking his posts too seriously as they are wrought with errors and nonsense. People who are opposed to Christianity and God will interpret doctrine to fit their facts. They decide what they want the facts to be then twist the doctrine to reflect their attitudes.

Don't get too upset folks. This tactic isn't anything new and is rather typical and boring. Whowhere isn't saying anything original, he's just regurgitating the same arguments against Christianity that have been spread for as long as Christianity itself. Yet more and more people every year are flocking to God and away from the secular hell they push on us.

Our faith must remain strong, even more so today than ever. One day Whowhere will be called before God to answer for his heresy, I beg you not to follow him down that road. Our eternal souls are at stake. We are to live as Jesus lived, to be like Him.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Whowhere is obviously upset with God. I hope that no one is taking his posts too seriously as they are wrought with errors and nonsense. People who are opposed to Christianity and God will interpret doctrine to fit their facts. They decide what they want the facts to be then twist the doctrine to reflect their attitudes.

Don't get too upset folks. This tactic isn't anything new and is rather typical and boring. Whowhere isn't saying anything original, he's just regurgitating the same arguments against Christianity that have been spread for as long as Christianity itself. Yet more and more people every year are flocking to God and away from the secular hell they push on us.

Our faith must remain strong, even more so today than ever. One day Whowhere will be called before God to answer for his heresy, I beg you not to follow him down that road. Our eternal souls are at stake. We are to live as Jesus lived, to be like Him.

To be like Christ you have much work before you. You are very closed minded in your approaches. You seek to mix politics and religion. You are very judgmental, and all of these things are not very "Christian".

[Mr.Canada]

To be like Christ you have much work before you. You are very closed minded in your approaches. You seek to mix politics and religion. You are very judgmental, and all of these things are not very "Christian".

More typical behavior from the heretic here folks. Again nothing new folks. The heretic is showing his frustration with this Christian man once again. The heretic mind is a very simple one where everyone must agree with him or be attacked. It's best to not even engage these types too much but as Christians it is our duty to Testify to everyone we can.

Who knows perhaps his father was a Christian but left his mother and now he's upset at God over this. We don't know so if you do engage this type of heretic keep in mind that usually if they have read the Bible then they did believe at some point in God but for reasons deny Him. At least he's reading the Bible so that's one thing that's good. We just need to help him in his interpretations so that he may see his errors. He is blinded by his own rage right now.

[Smallc]

I would say you're crossing the line (what else is new), but that's just me, a heretic speaking, so what do I know?

[Mr.Canada]

I would say you're crossing the line (what else is new), but that's just me, a heretic speaking, so what do I know?

His earlier posts fit the definition of heresy so I am being accurate.

Posters call me a religious nut, a bigot, a fascist etc almost daily and they aren't over the line.

So why am I when I mention heresy? Because of the war of Jesus Christ and Christianity.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

More typical behavior from the heretic here folks. Again nothing new folks. The heretic is showing his frustration with this Christian man once again. The heretic mind is a very simple one where everyone must agree with him or be attacked. It's best to not even engage these types too much but as Christians it is our duty to Testify to everyone we can.

Who knows perhaps his father was a Christian but left his mother and now he's upset at God over this. We don't know so if you do engage this type of heretic keep in mind that usually if they have read the Bible then they did believe at some point in God but for reasons deny Him. At least he's reading the Bible so that's one thing that's good. We just need to help him in his interpretations so that he may see his errors. He is blinded by his own rage right now.

Rage? I will give you outrage....

You Sir, are a moronic fool who speaks without knowledge. You seek to insult me and utilize religion as a weapon against me, suggesting moral superiority and ethical correctness.

My father was born in 1921, he fought in the second world war and served his entire working life in the service of his country, enlisted in the RCAF in 1940 and retired from the Canadian Armed Forces in 1975. My mother was born in 1926, she served in the RCAF here in Edmonton repairing aircraft. They knew each other before the war but did not marry until 1946, they lived together for the rest of my fathers life. He died in 1999 and my mother soon followed in 2002. They were members of their Roman Catholic Church in Sydney British Columbia when they died. They attended mass twice a week and had done that for decades whenever the were lucky enough to be together.

This "simple minded" person did not start this attack, but by the Lord God I shall finish it.

Let me tell you who I am. I am in fact a very simple man. I was born in 1959 when my father was based in Winnipeg. We moved to Edmonton in 1960, then to Trenton in 1964. We finally moved back to Edmonton in 1970. I went to kindergarten in 1965 in Ontario and finished grade 6 in 1970. I finished high school in 1976 in Alberta. I have had a part-time/ full time job since 1970 when we moved back to Edmonton. I worked at Kroehler Furniture for four years when I got out od school, then I hired on to Canadian National Railways in 1980. I still work at CN. I have held both union and management positions. I have made lots of money with this company and plan on retiring in another 5 years or so.

I am twice married and once divorced. I had two children in my first marriage, which ended with my discovery of my wifes infidelity. I have had to pay 1200 dollars a month since 1991 to her, 500 per child and 200 for her. She remarried, her husband refuse to adopt the children so I got to pay the way. I have three more children in my current marriage. That is a little track record of life for you MISTER CANADA, this is where I am coming from, but it certainly is not all that I am.

I enjoy spirited debate, and I despise those who speak down to me or treat me with disrespect. If you were here in my town, you could expect to hear form me in person to address the slur on my father and mother. I would enjoy teaching you a lesson.

Have an nice day.....

[gordiecanuk]

Rage? I will give you outrage....

You Sir, are a moronic fool who speaks without knowledge. You seek to insult me and utilize religion as a weapon against me, suggesting moral superiority and ethical correctness.

My father was born in 1921, he fought in the second world war and served his entire working life in the service of his country, enlisted in the RCAF in 1940 and retired from the Canadian Armed Forces in 1975. My mother was born in 1926, she served in the RCAF here in Edmonton repairing aircraft. They knew each other before the war but did not marry until 1946, they lived together for the rest of my fathers life. He died in 1999 and my mother soon followed in 2002. They were members of their Roman Catholic Church in Sydney British Columbia when they died. They attended mass twice a week and had done that for decades whenever the were lucky enough to be together.

This "simple minded" person did not start this attack, but by the Lord God I shall finish it.

Let me tell you who I am. I am in fact a very simple man. I was born in 1959 when my father was based in Winnipeg. We moved to Edmonton in 1960, then to Trenton in 1964. We finally moved back to Edmonton in 1970. I went to kindergarten in 1965 in Ontario and finished grade 6 in 1970. I finished high school in 1976 in Alberta. I have had a part-time/ full time job since 1970 when we moved back to Edmonton. I worked at Kroehler Furniture for four years when I got out od school, then I hired on to Canadian National Railways in 1980. I still work at CN. I have held both union and management positions. I have made lots of money with this company and plan on retiring in another 5 years or so.

I am twice married and once divorced. I had two children in my first marriage, which ended with my discovery of my wifes infidelity. I have had to pay 1200 dollars a month since 1991 to her, 500 per child and 200 for her. She remarried, her husband refuse to adopt the children so I got to pay the way. I have three more children in my current marriage. That is a little track record of life for you MISTER CANADA, this is where I am coming from, but it certainly is not all that I am.

I enjoy spirited debate, and I despise those who speak down to me or treat me with disrespect. If you were here in my town, you could expect to hear form me in person to address the slur on my father and mother. I would enjoy teaching you a lesson.

Have an nice day.....

Herr Canada stepped over the line, WAY OVER.

[Mr.Canada]

This "simple minded" person did not start this attack, but by the Lord God I shall finish it.

You, as a non believer do not get to do anything in His name, sorry but you don't get it both ways. Well it would appear that your parents were reasonable people it's too bad it didn't carry over to you. You were raised is the correct Christianity, the true Church so you know what's right and wrong. Since you do know the right path if you deny the Holy Mother Church you cannot be saved. Very sad indeed that you put personal wealth and your own selfishness ahead of Jesus Christ. He only wants you to strive to live as he did and follow the simple rules then we get saved. Small price to pay seeing as he gave his life for all of us.

I'll meet you in person if you like but I'll bet you'd be very polite once you see the size of me. So pick a neutral spot in and a time. I've offered many times to meet up with people here but they never take me up as they're scared.

Edited January 2, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[Mr.Canada]

Herr Canada stepped over the line, WAY OVER.

I did? He is involved in heresy on this board plain and simple.

I am called a religious nut , a bigot, a fascist etc almost daily and you don't see that as over the line.

[Michael Hardner]

He is involved in heresy on this board plain and simple.

Heresy is permitted here, Mr. C. Attacking and insulting individuals and their families is against the board guidelines. MapleLeafWeb is not the place to debate which is the one true religion. We're concerned with the actions of human beings, not supernatural ones.