Tories keep massive lead

[Mr.Canada]

Canadians favor the Conservatives over the Liberals by 45 percent to 26 percent, an Ipsos Reid poll showed. The New Democrats (NDP) had the backing of 12 percent.

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It would appear that Canadians are really taking to the Tories a new ipsos Reid poll finds. Canadians are finally seeing the PM Harper is a strong leader and he stands up for Canada.

Edited December 14, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[jdobbin]

It would appear that Canadians are really taking to the Tories a new ipsos Reid poll finds. Canadians are finally seeing the PM Harper is a strong leader and he stands up for Canada.

Posted elsewhere already. And it has a link in that thread too.

Plus, there is a newer poll out that show Ignatieff tied with Harper. It is now obvious that people see Ignatief as the shining example of leadership, manliness and how is anointed by the Gods in every way, shape or form.

Edited December 14, 2008 by jdobbin

[Mr.Canada]

Posted elsewhere already. And it has a link in that thread too.

I posted a link. This is the new poll just released yesterday so I don't think so.

Edited December 14, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[jdobbin]

I posted a link. This is the new poll just released yesterday so I don't think so.

This is a new poll releases yesterday.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/553317

Ignatieff tops the list of party leaders Canadians would prefer as prime minister, with 28 per cent of respondents naming him the best head of government, according to the Toronto Star/Angus Reid survey.

Harper came in at 27 per cent – a virtual tie because it's within the margin of error, but the first time the Conservative leader has polled below 30 per cent in two years.

It is obvious that people in a few day already find Ignatieff as the best leader.

[Topaz]

I like the TSX going back up after Iggy took over as leader, now that's poll that really counts!

[Mr.Canada]

My poll was released yesterday Dec.13/2008 after Ignatieff was crowned leader of the LPC. If an election were held today the Tories would form a majority, suck it up.

[Smallc]

My poll was released yesterday Dec.13/2008 after Ignatieff was crowned leader of the LPC. If an election were held today the Tories would form a majority, suck it up.

Of course he would, because as Jean Charest knows, polls always point to the exact results of an election.

[Mr.Canada]

Of course he would, because as Jean Charest knows, polls always point to the exact results of an election.

The polls from the last Federal election were almost exactly bang on. Polls matter and politicians know this.

[jdobbin]

My poll was released yesterday Dec.13/2008 after Ignatieff was crowned leader of the LPC. If an election were held today the Tories would form a majority, suck it up.

My poll was released yesterday Dec.13/2008 after Ignatieff was crowned leader of the LPC. If an election were held today the Tories would form a minority, suck it up.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/32420...oints_in_canada

The governing Conservative party remains on top in Canada, according to a poll by Angus Reid Strategies released by the Toronto Star. 37 per cent of respondents would vote for the Tories, while 31 per cent would support the opposition Liberal party.

[Mr.Canada]

Well I guess we need to find some mioddle ground and split the difference giving the Tories 41% support, giving the Tories a massive majority, we can both suck it up.

[ToadBrother]

Of course he would, because as Jean Charest knows, polls always point to the exact results of an election.

Particularly polls where no election has even been called. I doubt even the Tory strategists think at this point that such polls should be considered a solid indicator. If they hold at these levels through to the end of January, then I would expect Harper will trigger an election.

[Mr.Canada]

Particularly polls where no election has even been called. I doubt even the Tory strategists think at this point that such polls should be considered a solid indicator. If they hold at these levels through to the end of January, then I would expect Harper will trigger an election.

Parliament is out. It's just a talking point. Something for us to argue about. We're all here online obviously waiting and wanting to argue so I'm just trying to help that along.

[Michael Hardner]

jdobbin - Keep in mind that the 'who would you prefer as PM' polls aren't the same as 'who would you vote for polls'.

The former type of poll tends to highlight the leaders' personalities, and frequently shows better results for NDP, Greens, etc.

[BC_chick]

It is now obvious that people see Ignatief as the shining example of leadership, manliness and how is anointed by the Gods in every way, shape or form.

Right, you're speaking "Mr. C"....

[BC_chick]

My poll was released yesterday Dec.13/2008 after Ignatieff was crowned leader of the LPC. If an election were held today the Tories would form a majority, suck it up.

Here's one, December 14th:

(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - The governing Conservative party remains on top in Canada, according to a poll by Angus Reid Strategies released by the Toronto Star. 37 per cent of respondents would vote for the Tories, while 31 per cent would support the opposition Liberal party.

The New Democratic Party (NDP) is third with 15 per cent, followed by the Bloc Québécois with nine per cent, and the Green party with eight per cent. Support for the Tories fell by five points in a week, while backing for the Grits increased by nine points.

But hey, unlike you Mr. C., I'm not putting any faith in a poll at a time like this. You were right in your earlier comment implying that polls do matter.... however, only the ones in the couple of weeks prior to an election seem to mean anything. Remember, Dion had 40% at one point too.

[reasonoverpassion]

Absolutely meaningless poll.

Who could have predicted right after the last the election that the following events would have occurred:

(1) Harper decides to make economic statement that attacks trade unions, small parties, the concept of equal pay for equal work

(2) The opposition parties do something that never did in the 2 years previous, propose to unite to defeat the government.

(3) Harper, knowing he has lost the confidence of the house, is forced to ask the GG to prorogue parliament until he can propose a budget and answer the economic crisis which is also defying the pundits the speed it is unfolding.

(4) Dion is forced to resign to resign leadership of the Liberal party. Leblanc and Rae drop out leaving Ignatieff the leader.

If a pollester/psychic could have predicted these events, I'll put faith in polls. Until then, I'll see them for what they are, an attempt by news organizations to generate a story.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

No poll is meaningless, they were all designed to say something. Ask the right question and get the right answer.....

[Mr.Canada]

Here's one, December 14th:

But hey, unlike you Mr. C., I'm not putting any faith in a poll at a time like this. You were right in your earlier comment implying that polls do matter.... however, only the ones in the couple of weeks prior to an election seem to mean anything. Remember, Dion had 40% at one point too.

Yeah before he opened his mouth. I'm not even sure he polled that high but it doesn't really matter, he's out and the Liberals have crowned a new prince. I do so like how the socialists call the PM KIng Harper at times but it was the Liberal party who held a coronation last week in the crowning of Ignatieff.

[Mr.Canada]

Absolutely meaningless poll.

Who could have predicted right after the last the election that the following events would have occurred:

(1) Harper decides to make economic statement that attacks trade unions, small parties, the concept of equal pay for equal work

(2) The opposition parties do something that never did in the 2 years previous, propose to unite to defeat the government.

(3) Harper, knowing he has lost the confidence of the house, is forced to ask the GG to prorogue parliament until he can propose a budget and answer the economic crisis which is also defying the pundits the speed it is unfolding.

(4) Dion is forced to resign to resign leadership of the Liberal party. Leblanc and Rae drop out leaving Ignatieff the leader.

If a pollester/psychic could have predicted these events, I'll put faith in polls. Until then, I'll see them for what they are, an attempt by news organizations to generate a story.

1) Harper is a conservative you had t o expect conservative ideas. A conservative tabling an NDP/socialist budget would be bad.

2) with 38% of Canadian supporting that one. Lucky they abandoned that or their numbers would continue to drop.

3) Harper wants an election and prorogue of parl. was just to widen the gap between elections.

4) Everyone seen this coming, Ignatieff is their only choice. They are so shallow in the potential leaders that people were talking of CHretien or Martin coming back....laughable at best and pathetic at worst.

Harper is a very smart man. He planned these entire events, don't kid yourself, this was all by design. To think otherwise is simply naive imo.

[punked]

1) Harper is a conservative you had t o expect conservative ideas. A conservative tabling an NDP/socialist budget would be bad.

2) with 38% of Canadian supporting that one. Lucky they abandoned that or their numbers would continue to drop.

3) Harper wants an election and prorogue of parl. was just to widen the gap between elections.

4) Everyone seen this coming, Ignatieff is their only choice. They are so shallow in the potential leaders that people were talking of CHretien or Martin coming back....laughable at best and pathetic at worst.

Harper is a very smart man. He planned these entire events, don't kid yourself, this was all by design. To think otherwise is simply naive imo.

I just want to point out Harper got 38% in the election so 38% support now is not widening anything. That is just bad math.

[Mr.Canada]

I just want to point out Harper got 38% in the election so 38% support now is not widening anything. That is just bad math.

38% support the Liberal-Secularist-Socialist-Separatist Coalition is what that is referring to my good man. Which also happens to be how much support the NDP, Bloc and Greens got last eloection. The 62% is the amount of support the Tories and Liberals got....coincidence?

Edited December 14, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[punked]

38% support the Liberal-Secularist-Socialist-Separatist Coalition is what that is referring to my good man.

That is dead everyone in Canada knows that.

[DFCaper]

He planned these entire events, don't kid yourself, this was all by design. To think otherwise is simply naive imo.

If Harper Plan them, they must not be going as planned. The Conservatives will lose if anything in Quebec, and has little room for improvement elsewhere. Also, I'm sure he wish he never forced Dion to be securely gone. Now his easy days are over. He won't be in Majority territory for much longer. If he forces an election, he'll end up with another minority. The Conservatives need a new leader. There prefect storm for the '08 election, and no majority shows he's lack of ability to be able to win. I bet I or probably anyone else on this forum would have been ableto get a majority from Dion.

I am hoping There's no election or change of government for at least 2 years, or I will vote against whoever calls the election.

[punked]

38% support the Liberal-Secularist-Socialist-Separatist Coalition is what that is referring to my good man.

That is dead everyone in Canada knows that.

[Mr.Canada]

If Harper Plan them, they must not be going as planned. The Conservatives will lose if anything in Quebec, and has little room for improvement elsewhere. Also, I'm sure he wish he never forced Dion to be securely gone. Now his easy days are over. He won't be in Majority territory for much longer. If he forces an election, he'll end up with another minority. The Conservatives need a new leader. There prefect storm for the '08 election, and no majority shows he's lack of ability to be able to win. I bet I or probably anyone else on this forum would have been ableto get a majority from Dion.

I am hoping There's no election or change of government for at least 2 years, or I will vote against whoever calls the election.

Stop listening to the talking heads on MSM. Harpers numbers are going up in Quebec, not down.

Harper won't call an election, one of the others will force him into it. We'll go to an election with the Coalition as an issue and they will get crushed under a massive Tory majority, 200+ seats.