Shwa Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 So no Christians were ever targeted and killed throughout history. Is that your position? I want to lock you into your opinion so you can't change it later. That's not my position. The numbers of Christians being 'targeted' because they were Christian is likely a very small percentage of the total deaths compared to Christians being targeted because they were of a certain nationality, a certain politic or some aspect other than their Christianity (unless you are talking about sect versus sect of course). Also, I believe the numbers will show that by far the most "Christians" killed in wars and conflicts were done in by other "Christians." You know English Protestants killing English & Irish Catholics (and visa versa) or German Christians killing English, French, Dutch, American, Canadian Christians and visa versa, or American Christians killing other American Christians, etc. That one was a doozer! If you wish to lock me into this position, please feel free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 That's not my position. The numbers of Christians being 'targeted' because they were Christian is likely a very small percentage of the total deaths compared to Christians being targeted because they were of a certain nationality, a certain politic or some aspect other than their Christianity (unless you are talking about sect versus sect of course). Also, I believe the numbers will show that by far the most "Christians" killed in wars and conflicts were done in by other "Christians." You know English Protestants killing English & Irish Catholics (and visa versa) or German Christians killing English, French, Dutch, American, Canadian Christians and visa versa, or American Christians killing other American Christians, etc. That one was a doozer! If you wish to lock me into this position, please feel free. And just for fair play...I would be interested in seeing the stats for Christians killing others. I would bet it would be well beyond the stats of Christians being the victims.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 And just for fair play...I would be interested in seeing the stats for Christians killing others. I would bet it would be well beyond the stats of Christians being the victims.... One would hope. No one wants to be on the losing side... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Yes, because that has a great of documentary evidence to back it up. It wasn't just a number pulled out of a hat. You haven't produced any evidence at all. By evidence I mean actual studies, and not the BS crapola web page that we got fed to us a couple of days ago. So go to it, provide the evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Whoa, did you? You saw one citation from David Barret and you assumed this entire list was invalidated? LOL. Did you even read the 'commentary and context' page about Barret's figures or did you just make a snap judgement? The author of the page was giving you comparative numbers from several varied sources and then coming to conclusions about those number to arrive at his own. Is does give figures from M. Cherif Bassouni, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Milton Leitenberg, Rudolph J. Rummel There wasn't any running around, no desperation and it was a modicum of research on an night off. I get a sense that you are unable to counter those estimates with quality sources of your own? Here is a paper by Leitenberg who estimates the deaths from conflicts in the 20th century to be 136.5 to 148.5 millions. Now be careful - this was an occasional paper produced for the Peace Studies Program at Cornell so I am not sure if that will meet your test of validity. War death estimates 'should be tripled' - an interesting article from New Scientist (I hope that is OK) that suggest war death totals are underestimated. This article is based on a study from the British Medical Journal which is linked at the bottom of the page. Is the British Medical Journal a decent source for you? Here is the wiki article on WWI casualties and WWI casualties I know its a desperate running around on wiki, but they do cite some good sources, including Whites Twentieth Century Atlas. I could search EBSCO if you are not convinced yet, but I am thinking that most of any research documents will come up with similar figures. You realize estimates as to direct and indirect casualties in conflict is not "Christians targeted". For instance, the vast numbers of Russian war casualties was largely caused by Christian Germans. They weren't targeted because they were Christians, they were targeted because they were Russians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 You realize estimates as to direct and indirect casualties in conflict is not "Christians targeted". For instance, the vast numbers of Russian war casualties was largely caused by Christian Germans. They weren't targeted because they were Christians, they were targeted because they were Russians. Go back four posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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