Harper - A Flake

[capricorn]

He lead the charge against allowing lesbians to marry as leader of the opposition.

Even after being elected Prime Minister, he re-visited the issue and introduced a motion in parliament in December, 2006 to strip away their legislated right to marry.

Some Liberal MPs were also opposed to ssm. Are they also homophobic?

A Liberal MP opposed to same-sex marriage says he'll continue to push for a referendum on the issue despite the fact that Prime Minister Paul Martin says he is not in favour of such a move.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...Story/National/

Prime Minister Paul Martin met with more than a dozen Liberals opposed to same-sex marriage Monday night in the wake of suggestions that his own members of Parliament could topple the government over the issue.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/06/07/...esex050607.html

Harper promised a free vote on the question. Parliament voted not to open the debate. That ended the matter.

As leader of the opposition, he voted against Bill c-250, the legislation which made it a hate crime to promote or advocate the killing of homosexuals.

Did you know that 41 Liberals voted against Bill C-250 and 33 were absent for the vote?

http://www.campaignlifecoalition.com/fedvotes/#3

Are all those Liberals homophobes?

Harper made homophobic comments about Svend Robinson and subsequently apologized for them;

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2002/10/23/...act_021023.html

Svend interpreted Harper's comments to suit his purpose and gain attention. Svend confessed to the theft of an expensive ring only after finding out he was caught on camera doing the deed. This guy has lots of credibility, lots.

[ToadBrother]

Some Liberal MPs were also opposed to ssm. Are they also homophobic?

Yes.

[Ole Dawg]

Why should Mr. Harper kowtow to those eastern bums and creeps, I say stay the course and just jam all his legislation down their liberal and NPD throats till they choke on it. It all comes down to Eastern Canada loosing power to Alberta and BC.

[reasonoverpassion]

Why should Mr. Harper kowtow to those eastern bums and creeps, I say stay the course and just jam all his legislation down their liberal and NPD throats till they choke on it.

Because he dosen't have a majority thats why. If he's "gonna stay the course" his government won't last fifteen minutes after parliament is called back. He doesn't have a mandate to jam legislation down our throats. CPC supporters just have to deal with this fact.

[August1991]

Finally, Canadians can choose between their favourite warmongers...the intellectual warmonger versus the homophobic warmonger.

I'm sure that Ignatieff and Harper are both very worried that they have lost the "NormanChateau" demographic.

No this flake

Whether pastry or candy, it crumbles.

Stephen Harper has human faults like the rest of us but he's practical and down to earth. Even the opposition describes him as stubborn. Harper is a man for all seasons. He's no flake.

[normanchateau]

Did you know that 41 Liberals voted against Bill C-250 and 33 were absent for the vote?

http://www.campaignlifecoalition.com/fedvotes/#3

Are all those Liberals homophobes?

A majority of Liberals, NDP and BQ MPs voted for Bill C-250. Peter MacKay, then a Progressive Conservative, also voted for it. Stephen Harper voted against it.

Are there Liberal homophobes? Of course there are. Are there Liberals who agree with Harper in his homophobic attempts to strip away the legislated rights of a group of Canadians to marry. Of course there are.

Is Harper a homophobe? The circumstantial evidence suggests that he is.

In any event, most Canadians have short memories and I suspect that few of them remember Harper's assault on human rights in December, 2006 via introduction of his absurd motion to the House of Commons. Do you think Harper was right to introduce a motion in December 2006 to remove a civil right from lesbians?

I wonder how many remember that this horse's ass went on Fox Television in the US to denounce the government of Canada for failing to join George Bush in invading Iraq to look for weapons of mass destruction.

And how many remember that in yet another blunder, Harper told American viewers that Canadians, except for those in Quebec, supported Bush's invasion of Iraq?

[Shakeyhands]

Hopefully the LPC will find some balls during the next election and talk about these things. If only one party is playing dirty it becomes unfair. it's too bad that we can't just talk policy though.

[normanchateau]

Hopefully the LPC will find some balls during the next election and talk about these things. If only one party is playing dirty it becomes unfair. it's too bad that we can't just talk policy though.

Against the advice of his staff, Dion made the decision not to engage in the kind of negative advertising that CPC had long engaged in. It was a huge mistake. Let's hope Ignatieff doesn't make the same mistake.

[madmax]

But Harper a homophobe? Do you have any proof or is this just your personal opinion?

From what I have seen Harper dances around the Gay issues. I think he personally avoids the issue with the rank and file, so that he doesn't have to face it. That and he doesn't hesitate to put a Gay person on major portfolios for the CPC.

[madmax]

Here's my question....who will replace Harper when he goes, some one from Alberta or some from Ontario???

Harper has no challenge from any Conservative in Ontario. There isn't any of his calibre, which doesn't say alot. However, out west and out east are a number of possible replacements who could actually win a majority. These people however would not have had the balls to form the CPC and position in to take government like Harper did in 2006. However, they wouldn't have blown the Sept election and I would be hard pressed to find another elected official of any stripe capable of creating a national crises like Harper has done. There is no other politician who would have stepped so far out of line as to having to run to mommy in peacetime and hide behind her skirt.

My view is, it was Harper that brought the CPC to where they are today....Heading a government. I don't believe he is capable of ever reaching his dream of majority. It will take someone with more refined skills to bring in a CPC majority. Harper could win a Majority if he was a Provincial Leader of any Province (OK not Quebec). He doesn't have the royal jelly to win a country.

That is why I don't consider Harper a flake.

I expect him to resign after his 3rd Minority Government, be he in the Prime Ministers chair or not.

[madmax]

Why should Mr. Harper kowtow to those eastern bums and creeps, I say stay the course and just jam all his legislation down their liberal and NPD throats till they choke on it. It all comes down to Eastern Canada loosing power to Alberta and BC.

Harper gets really poor advice from people like you and he believes it.

[ToadBrother]

Why should Mr. Harper kowtow to those eastern bums and creeps, I say stay the course and just jam all his legislation down their liberal and NPD throats till they choke on it. It all comes down to Eastern Canada loosing power to Alberta and BC.

And then what? Without a majority, it's just going to be going from crisis to crisis. Eventually the GG isn't going to keep calling elections or proroguing Parliament just to save Harper from his own combativeness. Actually, more likely is the Conservative Party, which is made up in fair chunk of people from Eastern Canada, will finely tire of going through this nonsense and will turf him.

This is about governing, not about some weird Western Canadian schadenfreude,

[capricorn]

Are there Liberal homophobes? Of course there are. Are there Liberals who agree with Harper in his homophobic attempts to strip away the legislated rights of a group of Canadians to marry. Of course there are.

Keep fighting the old battles. It's the Liberal way.

I wonder how many remember that this horse's ass went on Fox Television in the US to denounce the government of Canada for failing to join George Bush in invading Iraq to look for weapons of mass destruction.

And how many remember that in yet another blunder, Harper told American viewers that Canadians, except for those in Quebec, supported Bush's invasion of Iraq?

Stand by. Canadians will become familiar with Ignatieff's support of US foreign policy and his views on the types of torture that he deemed acceptable. Canadians will get to decide which of the two leaders is more hawkish.

[blueblood]

Harper has no challenge from any Conservative in Ontario. There isn't any of his calibre, which doesn't say alot. However, out west and out east are a number of possible replacements who could actually win a majority. These people however would not have had the balls to form the CPC and position in to take government like Harper did in 2006. However, they wouldn't have blown the Sept election and I would be hard pressed to find another elected official of any stripe capable of creating a national crises like Harper has done. There is no other politician who would have stepped so far out of line as to having to run to mommy in peacetime and hide behind her skirt.

My view is, it was Harper that brought the CPC to where they are today....Heading a government. I don't believe he is capable of ever reaching his dream of majority. It will take someone with more refined skills to bring in a CPC majority. Harper could win a Majority if he was a Provincial Leader of any Province (OK not Quebec). He doesn't have the royal jelly to win a country.

That is why I don't consider Harper a flake.

I expect him to resign after his 3rd Minority Government, be he in the Prime Ministers chair or not.

even if he gets a majority, they'll "chretien" him. Say he gets his majority, the only reason he would have got it is by constructing a national crisis. That would not bode well in an election down the road. He has one more election IMO, majority gov't, minority gov't, or booted out of gov't.

[Jack Weber]

what if it's a toupee?

I want somebody to throw a gopher on that thing and see if it will mate with his hair!

[Mr.Canada]

We all know that the PM is a good man. A man of the people why can't people embrace him? He has some nice sweater vests.

[Oleg Bach]

We all know that the PM is a good man. A man of the people why can't people embrace him? He has some nice sweater vests.

MMMM sounds like a man crush Embrace him and roll about in a big huge cuddly seater vest...You know Mr. Canada - I really have no use for any of those guys...Harper was fine until the big boys on Bay Street took him for a chopper ride - and like a kid he loved it...Then they said "Steve this is what you are going to do" - The the Americans show up and say the same thing - and he did what he was told - I have but one gripe with the Harper mentality ............................100 dead young Canadians for no reason....He should have ignored the Americans and said - I am not killing our boys to profit you. He caved in.

[Mr.Canada]

MMMM sounds like a man crush Embrace him and roll about in a big huge cuddly seater vest...You know Mr. Canada - I really have no use for any of those guys...Harper was fine until the big boys on Bay Street took him for a chopper ride - and like a kid he loved it...Then they said "Steve this is what you are going to do" - The the Americans show up and say the same thing - and he did what he was told - I have but one gripe with the Harper mentality ............................100 dead young Canadians for no reason....He should have ignored the Americans and said - I am not killing our boys to profit you. He caved in.

Yes, no reason at all. Just for the fun of it. 9-11 is the reason. USA is our best friend. We came to their aid as good friends do.

[Oleg Bach]

Yes, no reason at all. Just for the fun of it. 9-11 is the reason. USA is our best friend. We came to their aid as good friends do.

911 was facilitated by lazy corporate gangsters that took over Washington - Saudi Arabia paid for the attack - so we and the Americans never went after the spoiled oil princes who had some fun blowing the hell out of New York - an the twits that were to defend were asleep at the switch - Bush and the boys never went after the real cultprits - because they are buisness people first and the Saudis are their friends....so off like idots they dash off to Iraq - and like idots off we trample into Afghanistan...what a waste of time - opium growing goat herders are not coming to blow us up! And if they beat their woman and don't let "little girls go to school" - so what! It's none of our damned buisness. The American administration was inept and that ineptness killed thousands.

[LesterDC]

We all know that the PM is a good man.

No we don't

[Mr.Canada]

No we don't

Harper is one of us. An everyday man. He drinks beer, watches hockey has a family and loves kittens. Just like millions of Canadians. Ignatieff cannot say the same.

[LesterDC]

Harper is one of us. An everyday man. He drinks beer, watches hockey has a family and loves kittens. Just like millions of Canadians. Ignatieff cannot say the same.

Thank you. That was very reassuring.. Drinking beer, watching hockey and loving kittens - this can only mean that he is more than able to lead the country

[Mr.Canada]

Thank you. That was very reassuring.. Drinking beer, watching hockey and loving kittens - this can only mean that he is more than able to lead the country

It shows that he is in touch with everyday Canadians. Ignatieff cannot say the same.

[capricorn]

It shows that he is in touch with everyday Canadians. Ignatieff cannot say the same.

You know zilch about Ignatieff other than the fact that he has been absent from Canada to pursue employment. I think you should tone down the rhetoric until such time as he actually does something by which you can actually judge him.

[Mr.Canada]

You know zilch about Ignatieff other than the fact that he has been absent from Canada to pursue employment. I think you should tone down the rhetoric until such time as he actually does something by which you can actually judge him.

These are facts, not rhetoric but I agree I've made my point, presented undisbutable facts. There's no sense rubbing peoples noses in it, that's just cruel.