Knives out for Palin

[Shady]

Aren't you also supposed to have a separation of church and state? Should God really be guiding policy?

No candidate mentioned God more than Barack Obama. Now all of sudden his supporters in this forum have the vapors over something mentioned in church by Sarah Palin. Your pseudo-outrage is unbecoming. :angry:

Edited November 8, 2008 by Shady

[kengs333]

Yes, that is it. She is in a church, asking people to pray that the action the government is undertaking is something that God would want them to do. Trying to recast that quote to make it sound as if she's proclaiming the plan was delivered by God himself is simply dishonest.

I don't get it. Palin has plenty of *real* shortcomings. Why not just stick to those?

-k

I'm kind of reading it that that is what she meant, though; but I agree, there are more important shortcomings...

[RB]

Her response is amusing. She's calling these aides jerks because they apparently took her comments out of context. Meanwhile she spent most of her campaigning doing things like taking Obama's relationship with Ayers out of context. Not just out of context but creating a whole new context so that it would seem worse than it was.

The media is seem to repeatedly disparaged Palin . But, you can't expect Palin to suddenly become smart and intelligent to know that Africa is not a country, while also learn about the countries involved in NAFTA in only 9 weeks. Palin would argue that she had a late start , plus she is fresh one thrown into the political circles, an outsider, if you may. I mean don't you learn some of these things in grade school. Palin and Quayle are comparable, both are rattled on issues, not very smart, and liability to the GOP. My thoughts Palin is not going anywhere, not even at 2012. At best she could take on a TV show and make some money and take a good long shot to buy out e-bay.

[kimmy]

I'm kind of reading it that that is what she meant, though; but I agree, there are more important shortcomings...

If you're reading it that way, it's either because you're not very good at reading, or intent on willfully misconstruing what she actually said. There's no reason to make yourself look foolish by pursuing this topic when there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Palin.

-k

[kengs333]

If you're reading it that way, it's either because you're not very good at reading, or intent on willfully misconstruing what she actually said. There's no reason to make yourself look foolish by pursuing this topic when there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Palin.

-k

Whoa!!! Where's this coming from?!?! I'm not pursuing anything, becuase I personally couldn't care less what she said. I'm just glad she and McCain weren't elected, even though it would have made SNL great to watch again...

That said, I'm not sure how this sentence connot be understood that she believes the war is God's will:

"our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God"

?????

[kimmy]

That said, I'm not sure how this sentence connot be understood that she believes the war is God's will:

"our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God"

?????

By misconstruing the full quote, you make yourself look like an idiot.

By presenting a selectively edited version of the quote, you make yourself look like a dishonest idiot.

Go read the full quote that you yourself posted a few messages back and reflect on how dumb you look for now attempting to pass off this partial quote that omits the key portion.

Seriously: aren't you embarrassed to have posted something so blatantly dishonest?

edit: perhaps I am being overly harsh on you. It seems unfair to pick on a message board poster for doing something when ABC News did the exact same thing:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/12/ab...y-war-question/

The exchange between Palin and ABC's Charlie Gibson, in which she questioned the accuracy of the quote attributed to her, was edited out of the television broadcast but included in official, unedited transcripts posted on ABC's Web site, as well as in video posted on the Internet.

But in the version shown on television, a video clip of her original statement was inserted in place of her objection, giving a different impression of how Palin views the Iraq war.

In the interview, Gibson asked Palin: "You said recently in your old church, ‘Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God.' Are we fighting a Holy War?"

Palin's response, which appears in the transcript but was edited out of the televised version, was:

"You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote."

"It's exact words," Gibson said.

But Gibson's quote left out what Palin said before that:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

The edited televised version included a partial clip of that quote, but not the whole thing.

-k

Edited November 11, 2008 by kimmy

[kengs333]

By misconstruing the full quote, you make yourself look like an idiot.

Geez, thanks.

By presenting a selectively edited version of the quote, you make yourself look like a dishonest idiot.

Don't care.

Go read the full quote that you yourself posted a few messages back and reflect on how dumb you look for now attempting to pass off this partial quote that omits the key portion.

Funny, I was just contemplating the fact that you could pass for my twin sister, if I had one.

Seriously: aren't you embarrassed to have posted something so blatantly dishonest?

No, because I don't care.

edit: perhaps I am being overly harsh on you. It seems unfair to pick on a message board poster for doing something when ABC News did the exact same thing:

Awww... I was rather enjoying it...

[Moonlight Graham]

Palin doesn't need any knives. She needs a library card.

[kengs333]

Apparently Palin is going around saying that she'll run for office again if it is God's will that she does so. Since dimmy thinks that I'm so stupid and and idiot, could somebody please explain to me what this means?

[kimmy]

Apparently Palin is going around saying that she'll run for office again if it is God's will that she does so. Since dimmy thinks that I'm so stupid and and idiot, could somebody please explain to me what this means?

What she said this week doesn't alter the fact that your interpretation of her prayer about Iraq is completely wrong.

As for what she did actually say this week, it sounds like you are referring to Palin's interview with Larry King:

"My life is in God's hands. If he's got doors open for me, that I believe are in our state's best interest, the nation's best interest, I'm going to go through those doors."

She believes that God creates opportunities for people. She says that she will act on those opportunities based on what she believes is her state's interest and the nation's best interest. Which is again rather opposite to claiming that God will tell her what to do.

Earlier she prayed that the military action in Iraq was the right thing to do. Now she says that if God creates opportunities for her, she will decide what to do based on what she thinks is the best interest of her state and her country.

Both of these statements reflect the belief that God does have a plan, and that humans don't know what that plan is and must therefore act in accordance with their beliefs and principles. This is, in fact, the religious outlook of most Christians, though it is not often expressed as sincerely as by Palin, or expressed at all by politicians of any note.

Earlier in the interview she made reference to crystal balls as a means of predicting the future:

"I'm not going to close any doors of opportunity that perhaps are open out there in the future. Not having a crystal ball, I do not know what those opportunities will be. If I have to call an audible down the road here and circumstances change and the door is open for me to do so, it would be something that I would take that challenge on, that responsibility."

Is it logical to conclude that Palin is also secretly a gypsy?

If a politican says "we will have to see what's in the cards," is that evidence that they're a Tarot reading occultist?

People seem to have some kind of emotional investment that Palin is a kook who believes that God speaks directly to her. In fact, her statements both on Iraq and this week show the opposite: she believes that we *don't* know God's plan and that that we must act on our principles and pray that we're doing the right thing.

People sift through Palin's statements looking for something to support their a-priori belief that she's a religious kook.

If one approaches Barack Obama's statements with the same a-priori assumption, one finds a rich trove of material to support that belief.

Obama said that he can heal souls.

Obama said that people experience the realization that they must vote for Obama as an epiphany in the form of a ray of light from the heavens.

Certainly those two comments are far kookier than anything Sarah Palin said. How is it that nobody ever thought to sift through Obama's statements on religion with the same zeal that has been applied to Palin's?

-k

[kengs333]

What she said this week doesn't alter the fact that your interpretation of her prayer about Iraq is completely wrong.

As for what she did actually say this week, it sounds like you are referring to Palin's interview with Larry King:

"My life is in God's hands. If he's got doors open for me, that I believe are in our state's best interest, the nation's best interest, I'm going to go through those doors."

What it says to me is that she actually thinks that God is on her side, on the side of the United States; that she believes that God would possibly guide her in her quest to participate in politics--an inherently corrupt, worldly and sinful institution.

She believes that God creates opportunities for people. She says that she will act on those opportunities based on what she believes is her state's interest and the nation's best interest. Which is again rather opposite to claiming that God will tell her what to do.

As per my previous statement: I disagree.

This is, in fact, the religious outlook of most Christians, though it is not often expressed as sincerely as by Palin, or expressed at all by politicians of any note.

Probably because those politicians want to win and know how half-baked it sounds. I suppose she can get away with it in Alaska...

Earlier in the interview she made reference to crystal balls as a means of predicting the future:

"I'm not going to close any doors of opportunity that perhaps are open out there in the future. Not having a crystal ball, I do not know what those opportunities will be. If I have to call an audible down the road here and circumstances change and the door is open for me to do so, it would be something that I would take that challenge on, that responsibility."

Well, from my standpoint that would be something of a contradiction in referring to elements of witchcraft. Perhaps we should take this as a sign of her true inner nature.

Is it logical to conclude that Palin is also secretly a gypsy?

Kind of looks like one.

If a politican says "we will have to see what's in the cards," is that evidence that they're a Tarot reading occultist?

c'est possible...

People seem to have some kind of emotional investment that Palin is a kook who believes that God speaks directly to her. In fact, her statements both on Iraq and this week show the opposite: she believes that we *don't* know God's plan and that that we must act on our principles and pray that we're doing the right thing.

People sift through Palin's statements looking for something to support their a-priori belief that she's a religious kook.

If one approaches Barack Obama's statements with the same a-priori assumption, one finds a rich trove of material to support that belief.

You seem to be mighty sensitive about this; am I to assume that you are of a similar religious mindset, that you perhaps even feel a certain amount of affinity towards her? God only knows that Alberta is filled with people of various fundamentalists outlooks...

[charter.rights]

"God only knows that Alberta is filled with people of various fundamentalists outlooks..."

But we all know the REAL kook lives in Binbrook.

[Smallc]

God only knows that Alberta is filled with people of various fundamentalists outlooks...

[Sir Bandelot]

Palin is obviously a religious kook. Thats what America really needs now... another president who thinks god is speaking to them

[Shady]

Wow, this thread is lousy with Palin Derangement Syndrome. I'll throw out a few more quotes to the anti-religion Palin haters.

"Faith, is what propels me to do what I do and when I am down it’s what lifts me up.”

"God is with us and He wants us to do the right thing,”

"When people work together, there is nothing that can stop us because that’s God’s intention."

"I cast about after college to see how I could participate in building God’s kingdom."

"Through that interaction with the church I accepted Jesus Christ in my life."

“Pray that I can be an instrument of God,”

All quotes from President-elect, Barack Obama. Obvious religious kook!

[Sir Bandelot]

He's just saying that to get the religious right to shut up. He don't really believe that crap like Palin does.

Besides, they thought he was a MUSLIM.

[jefferiah]

What it says to me is that she actually thinks that God is on her side, on the side of the United States; that she believes that God would possibly guide her in her quest to participate in politics--an inherently corrupt, worldly and sinful institution.

That's funny. "If it is God's will", or "God willing", etc are quite common expressions. The meaning of the expression is the exact opposite of your interpretation. It is an acknowledgement that you do not control the future, and that these things will only happen if it is God's will. This is such a common expression in Christianity, I find it hard to believe you don't know it. In fact the root of this sort of expression is the New Testament, where it is recommended when speaking of actions you will take in the future.

James Chapter 4, Verses 13-15

4:13Come now, you who say, "Today or tomorrow let's go into this city, and spend a year there, trade, and make a profit." 4:14Whereas you don't know what your life will be like tomorrow. For what is your life? For you are a vapor, that appears for a little time, and then vanishes away. 4:15For you ought to say, "If the Lord wills, we will both live, and do this or that."

http://www.biblestudyinfo.com/james/ch4.shtml

For instance if I were to say "If it be God's will, I'll go to Moncton tomorrow." Do you think that means I believe God is on my side telling me to go to Moncton? Do you not understand the use of the word "IF"?

Edited November 16, 2008 by jefferiah

[jefferiah]

Palin is obviously a religious kook. Thats what America really needs now... another president who thinks god is speaking to them

Do you think repeating something over and over and over makes it true?

There was just an argument preceding your comment between Kimmy and Kengs over the matter of whether Palin believed she was getting directives from God concerning his will, and anyone who understands English should be aware of the fact that Palin said nothing akin to that. Kimmy won that hands down. So unless you have any additional evidence to submit in this matter---beyond Kengs'(the man with no concept of the word "IF") examples, your comment is basically just mindless cheerleading.

As for the first President who thinks God is speaking to him, I presume you mean Bush. It has never been established that Bush actually said that. It was quoted from a Palestinian, I believe, who claimed Bush had told him this in confidence. That smells like propaganda to me.

Edited November 16, 2008 by jefferiah

[Sir Bandelot]

unless you have any additional evidence to submit in this matter---beyond Kengs'(the man with no concept of the word "IF") examples, your comment is basically just mindless cheerleading.

What facts have you presented then, other than what "Kimmy said..."

In fact, if you read back to before what "Kimmy said", you'll see I made several contributions to the thread. quotes and news articles. And I raised the point about her religious fanaticism in post 64, not Kengs33, which got Kimmy all excited.

Now ask yourself, whose cheerleader are you

[Shady]

Troll alert.

[Sir Bandelot]

Troll alert.

The irony of your post is not lost on me.

[Shady]

Oh, and I almost forgot. Palin derangement syndrome alert too.

"Faith, is what propels me to do what I do and when I am down it’s what lifts me up.” - Barack Obama

"God is with us and He wants us to do the right thing,” - Barack Obama

"When people work together, there is nothing that can stop us because that’s God’s intention." - Barack Obama

"I cast about after college to see how I could participate in building God’s kingdom." - Barack Obama

"Through that interaction with the church I accepted Jesus Christ in my life." - Barack Obama

“Pray that I can be an instrument of God,” - Barack Obama

[jefferiah]

What facts have you presented then, other than what "Kimmy said..."

In fact, if you read back to before what "Kimmy said", you'll see I made several contributions to the thread. quotes and news articles. And I raised the point about her religious fanaticism in post 64, not Kengs33, which got Kimmy all excited.

Now ask yourself, whose cheerleader are you

I don't have to present any facts. You are the one making the charge that she is a religious kook who thinks God is speaking to her. You are the one who has to back that up. In post 64 the only thing you presented was the Iraq War statement. Kimmy did a sufficient job in showing there is a fundamental difference between saying we ought to pray that our national leaders are on a task from God and saying the war is a task from God. So once again you are back at square one. No facts, still making the same cheer----that Palin is getting directives from God.

Edited November 16, 2008 by jefferiah

[jefferiah]

He's just saying that to get the religious right to shut up. He don't really believe that crap like Palin does.

So he is a liar then?

[jefferiah]

that she believes that God would possibly guide her in her quest to participate in politics--an inherently corrupt, worldly and sinful institution.

Sharing political opinions on a political website is a strange hobby for an ascetic such as yourself, so disgusted by the taints of worldly politics.