Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in Somalia

[Hcheh]

Benito Mussolini, the man who basically created fascism.

Yes Mussolini was the first official "fascist", but it could be argued that Napoleon was laying down the foundations before Mussolini as a "proto-fascist"

[M.Dancer]

I had the misfortune of reading M.Dancer's post when I wasn't logged in, so I suppose I'm oblidged to respond: personally, I'm inclined to think that his type type are partial to creating a culture that imbues people with a inherent sense of self-hate and self-destruction.

My type type lean more to the opinion you are not inclined to think.

Edited November 4, 2008 by M.Dancer

[Sir Bandelot]

Yes Mussolini was the first official "fascist", but it could be argued that Napoleon was laying down the foundations before Mussolini as a "proto-fascist"

Perhaps, although I have never looked at Napoleon that way before. But the worm always turns.

And by that definition posted above, one could also argue that Steven Harper and the CPC are a form of "Neo-Fascists".

[White Doors]

Perhaps, although I have never looked at Napoleon that way before. But the worm always turns.

And by that definition posted above, one could also argue that Steven Harper and the CPC are a form of "Neo-Fascists".

Only if in the same breath you argued that Layton and the NDP are a form of "Neo-Communists"

If you did, you would still be wrong, but at least you would be consistently wrong.

Edited November 4, 2008 by White Doors

[Sir Bandelot]

Only if in the same breath you argued that Layton and the NDP are a form of "Neo-Communists"

If you did, you would still be wrong, but at least you would be consistently wrong.

Read the definition above and show me where IT is wrong. It describes the neocon ideology fairly well.

I am not the one who wrote it.

[Sir Bandelot]

I never called him a moron though, nor have I called his posts moronic.

I'm inclined to think that anyone who comes here has at least some interest in politics and history. Even if someone is wrong about something, thats not a moron.

People who throw such terms around frivolously, do morons a great injustice.

[M.Dancer]

"Fascism is a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti conservative nationalism. As such it is an ideology deeply bound up with modernization and modernity. It manifested itself primarily to generate a populist mass movement through a programme of radical policies which promised to overcome a threat posed by international socialism, to end the degeneration affecting the nation under liberalism, and to bring about a radical renewal of social, political and cultural life as part of what was widely imagined to be the new era being inaugurated in Western civilization. The core mobilizing myth of fascism is the vision of the nation's imminent rebirth from decadence."

Does it sound familiar at all...

Yes...sound like Italian Fascism....throws lots of money at the poltically correct arts...

[M.Dancer]

I do like wiki....

Corporatism and fascism

Some critics equate too much corporate power and influence with fascism. Often they cite a quote claimed to be from Mussolini: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." Several variations of the alleged quote exist. However, no text written by Mussolini has yet been found with any variation of the alleged quote.[20]. Despite this, the alleged quote has entered into modern discourse, and it appears on thousands of web pages,[21] and in books,[22] and even an alternative media advertisement in the Washington Post..[23] However, the alleged quote contradicts almost everything else written by Mussolini on the subject of the relationship between corporations and the Fascist State.[20]

Historically, corporatism (Italian: corporativismo) refers to a political or economic system in which power is held by civic assemblies that represent economic, industrial, agrarian, social, cultural, and/or professional groups. These civic assemblies are known as corporations (not the same as the legally incorporated business entities known as corporations, though some are such).

Sounds familiar. I believe Eyeball has proposed a simialr framework numeous times.

[Hcheh]

Only if in the same breath you argued that Layton and the NDP are a form of "Neo-Communists"

If you did, you would still be wrong, but at least you would be consistently wrong.

People do call the NDP "Neo-Communist", except they have another name for it..

They call them socialists

[White Doors]

Read the definition above and show me where IT is wrong. It describes the neocon ideology fairly well.

I am not the one who wrote it.

Try opening the link and reading what it says:

Fascism is a totalitarian nationalist ideology[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12] that is committed to being a third position alternative to capitalism and communism.[13][9][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22] It seeks to solve existing economic, political, and social problems by achieving a millenarian national rebirth by exalting the nation or race as well as promoting cults of unity, strength and purity

You said it describes Harper and the CPC fairly well, so have at it.

It describes Harper and the CPC about as well as Einstein describes you.

Thank you

[Hcheh]

Well both the CPC and the fascist ideology are naturally right winged, so you could see how the similarities are possible.. However, to call Harper and the CPC "fascist" is a bit of a stretch I think.. Fascism is an extremist/radical ideology, don't forget that

*EDIT: like what White Doors said, you probably couldn't equate the NDP party with communism, that is too extreme.. Instead, they equate them with something more moderate, like socialism

Edited November 4, 2008 by Hcheh

[Sir Bandelot]

Grand Council of Fascism, article 7:

"The corporative State considers private initiative, in the field of production, as the most efficient and useful instrument of the Nation," then goes on to say in article 9 that: "State intervention in economic production may take place only where private initiative is lacking or is insufficient, or when are at stakes the political interest of the State. This intervention may take the form of control, encouragement or direct management."

[White Doors]

Grand Council of Fascism, article 7:

"The corporative State considers private initiative, in the field of production, as the most efficient and useful instrument of the Nation," then goes on to say in article 9 that: "State intervention in economic production may take place only where private initiative is lacking or is insufficient, or when are at stakes the political interest of the State. This intervention may take the form of control, encouragement or direct management."

And that is helping your argument that Harper is a Nazi how?

[M.Dancer]

And that is helping your argument that Harper is a Nazi how?

Facsist, keep with the programme....

I'm still laughing at the continued misconception of corporatists..they really believe it's about GE

[White Doors]

Facsist, keep with the programme....

I'm still laughing at the continued misconception of corporatists..they really believe it's about GE

He seems intent on digging a hole, just helping him make it deeper.

[Argus]

Well both the CPC and the fascist ideology are naturally right winged, so you could see how the similarities are possible.. However, to call Harper and the CPC "fascist" is a bit of a stretch I think.. Fascism is an extremist/radical ideology, don't forget that

*EDIT: like what White Doors said, you probably couldn't equate the NDP party with communism, that is too extreme.. Instead, they equate them with something more moderate, like socialism

Yes, well, perhaps that has something to do with the fact the NDP isn't communist and is socialist. Calling them Socialists isn't an insult or an exaggeration.

Calling the Conservatives fascists or neo-fascists is tinfoil hat territory.

[kengs333]

Try opening the link and reading what it says:

You said it describes Harper and the CPC fairly well, so have at it.

It describes Harper and the CPC about as well as Einstein describes you.

Thank you

There's a difference between what the CPC is and what it would be if they had a majority. Harper has already displayed an authoritarian streak that should be of concern to all Canadians.

[kengs333]

And that is helping your argument that Harper is a Nazi how?

Do you have reading comprehension and critical thinking problems?

[White Doors]

Do you have reading comprehension and critical thinking problems?

Yeah, I don't think the CPC and Harper are Fascists and I have the critical thinking problem.

But wait, there's more!

This from the guy who thinks your average adolescent girl in North America has it as bad as the girl in the OP.

THAT'S the critical thinking we all want!

[White Doors]

By the way Kengs, I would like an itemized list of your expenditures on you share of the equalization Ontario is getting next year. If you insist on welfare, I want a fair accounting of it!

[Sir Bandelot]

And that is helping your argument that Harper is a Nazi how?

Not a nazi, a fascist. There is a difference.

Actually a post neo-fascist

[Sir Bandelot]

But wait, there's more!

This from the guy who thinks your average adolescent girl in North America has it as bad as the girl in the OP.

Never said that, and don't think it either. Keep digging and avoiding the real debate, it only makes you irrelevant.

[Sir Bandelot]

Facsist, keep with the programme

I'm still laughing at the continued misconception of corporatists..they really believe it's about GE

Not to mention keep up with the spelling... or use the spell checker for those who can't.

I know the origin of the quote has been disputed, but theres no doubt about the validity of its meaning. read the bio of Mussolini himself its full of references to corporatism.

Fascinating though that on a page about corporatism, it disputes the validity of any connection to fascism, despite the obvious clarity of it on all other pages. I wonder why?

And what are these guilds... collections of business and trade organizations. Not the boy scouts

[M.Dancer]

Never said that, and don't think it either. Keep digging and avoiding the real debate, it only makes you irrelevant.

Read more, post less....

he's refering to Keng as his quote makes perfectly clear

[Sir Bandelot]

Read more, post less....

he's refering to Keng as his quote makes perfectly clear

Post useful information, and with greater clarity.