Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in Somalia

[Hcheh]

uhmm... Yes, yes it does make it moronic.

It's like saying a farm silo is the same as an ICBM.

But if people are more interested in ideology than they are with facts, they will swear that the farm silo and the ICBM are equally dangerous. I'll continue to mock these arguments. It's up to you to decide which side of the mocking you are on.

well the farm and ICBM is a bit out of reach, capitalism and fascist is actually very plausible. Why would you say a farm silo is the same as an ICBM silo? because they look the same? That isn't quite the same as the comparison of fascism and capitalism, they could actually share some fundamental characteristics.

Using the farm analogy, it would be like comparing the farm to a fishery. Both the farm and the fishery can produce meat to eat so in that sense, they are similar. However, the farm can do more than just producing meat, it can produce vegetables, milk and whatever. This would be a better analogy and it does not sound very moronic to compare a fishery to a farm.

[M.Dancer]

That isn't quite the same as the comparison of fascism and capitalism, they could actually share some fundamental characteristics.

They differ more than they are the same. Fascists alos believed in Public schools and public art. Does that mean any society that has public schools and public art is fascist?

[White Doors]

well the farm and ICBM is a bit out of reach, capitalism and fascist is actually very plausible. Why would you say a farm silo is the same as an ICBM silo? because they look the same? That isn't quite the same as the comparison of fascism and capitalism, they could actually share some fundamental characteristics.

Using the farm analogy, it would be like comparing the farm to a fishery. Both the farm and the fishery can produce meat to eat so in that sense, they are similar. However, the farm can do more than just producing meat, it can produce vegetables, milk and whatever. This would be a better analogy and it does not sound very moronic to compare a fishery to a farm.

So the farmers or the fishermen are the fascists?

LOL

[Hcheh]

They differ more than they are the same. Fascists alos believed in Public schools and public art. Does that mean any society that has public schools and public art is fascist?

No, I was not saying that fascists and capitalists share A LOT in common. Yes I agree that they are more different than they are the same, fascism is an extreme. I was simply comparing two economic policies, that is one factor out of the many that constitutes aolitical ideology.

* EDIT okay, I just realized that my wording was bad.. I meant economic policies WITHIN a fascist country..etc.

Edited November 3, 2008 by Hcheh

[M.Dancer]

No, I was not saying that fascists and capitalists share A LOT in common. Yes I agree that they are more different than they are the same, fascism is an extreme. I was simply comparing two economic policies, that is one factor out of the many that constitutes a political ideology.

Fascism isn't an economic policy. Did you read the links I provided?

[Argus]

Unlike secular North America where she developes an eating disorder, becomes a crack addicted prostitute, and then commits suicide...

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Are you by some bizzarre inferance trying to suggest that the life of females under harsh theocratic rule is no worse than the life of females here in Canada?

[Hcheh]

So the farmers or the fishermen are the fascists?

LOL

It's called an analogy, get with the program.

If you really need help, the farmers are the fascists because they have the option of producing meat (capitalist policies) or producing grain and vegetables (nationalizing industry). If they choose to have capitalist ideals then they will produce meat like the fishermen do, making them similar.

[White Doors]

No, I was not saying that fascists and capitalists share A LOT in common. Yes I agree that they are more different than they are the same, fascism is an extreme. I was simply comparing two economic policies, that is one factor out of the many that constitutes a political ideology.

fascism is not an 'economic' policy, it is a political ideology. Hence my farm silo and ICBM reference.

Do try and keep up

[Argus]

That's the whole point; our society is flawed too.

Either you're a complete idiot, or you just haven't been reading the appropriate posts; I've made it quite clear that I have no sympathy for Islam as an ideology, and am deeply disturbed that this country would allow a flood of about 1 million Muslims to emigrate within the course of a mere 15 or so years.

Then your original post was very poorly thought-out and communicated entirely the wrong message.

[Hcheh]

Fascism isn't an economic policy. Did you read the links I provided?

well, I did not say it was specifically an economic policy, I was just saying that fascists could be capitalists, making similarity a possibility when compared to a society with a capitalistic society

[Hcheh]

I re edited my post, I did not realize that I said fascism was an economic ideology, I meant to say economic ideologies within a fascist society.

[White Doors]

It's called an analogy, get with the program.

If you really need help, the farmers are the fascists because they have the option of producing meat (capitalist policies) or producing grain and vegetables (nationalizing industry). If they choose to have capitalist ideals then they will produce meat like the fishermen do, making them similar.

jesus boy.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you are clearly more than a little stunned in this department.

I will make is simple for ya:

There is nothing inherently evil about Capitalism. There IS with fascism.

fascism is mush more of a political ideology than an economic one (which make the comparison moronic and much akin to my analogy.) Your farmer and fisherman 'analogy' is a farce and doesn't make sense at all.

in fact, I will refrain from making analogies so I don't cause you any confusion.

[Argus]

Fascists are actually corporatists. The term islamo-fascist has to be the stupidist bushism of all time. I would not use the term fascist to describe muslims in any way. The truth is that most of the western nations, where corporations have legal rights enshrined in the constitution are the real fascists.

Getting back to Somalia, what I said earlier means that the problem is not new there at all, and while I agree this story is horrific and truly sad, nothing has been done about it. I can only assume in the most cynical fashion that since there is no economic gain to sending troops there, unlike Iraq, the situation will continue.

We actually did send troops there to try and feed people, and so did the great satan, even though there was no oil or any other profitable motivations. But that only worked so long as we were willing to keep the troops there and take casualties, and after the "black hawk down" disaster, the US mindset was such that they wanted out, and immediately. It's funny today, in light of all the thousands of casualties the US has taken in Iraq, to remember those days when a couple of dozen casualties created near panic in the US senate. I can still recall one long serving US senator actually crying on camera as he demanded the US pull out immediately, as in this second, as in, abandon everything and run away as fast as they humanly could.

The rest of your nonsense is tinfoil cap stuff and not worth responding to.

[Hcheh]

It's called an analogy, get with the program.

If you really need help, the farmers are the fascists because they have the option of producing meat (capitalist policies) or producing grain and vegetables (nationalizing industry). If they choose to have capitalist ideals then they will produce meat like the fishermen do, making them similar.

fascism is not an 'economic' policy, it is a political ideology. Hence my farm silo and ICBM reference.

Do try and keep up

here is proof that I did not mean fascism as an economic policy, the farm is able to use capitalistic policies, being the meat and nationalizing industry, being the vegetables. That would draw the similarity with another capitalist society like the fishermen.

[White Doors]

I re edited my post, I did not realize that I said fascism was an economic ideology, I meant to say economic ideologies within a fascist society.

Apropos

You would get even more respect if you just admit you are out of your depth in regards to this subject.

[White Doors]

here is proof that I did not mean fascism as an economic policy, the farm is able to use capitalistic policies, being the meat and nationalizing industry, being the vegetables. That would draw the similarity with another capitalist society like the fishermen.

That reminds me, we really need a shovel emoticon.

[Hcheh]

jesus boy.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you are clearly more than a little stunned in this department.

I will make is simple for ya:

There is nothing inherently evil about Capitalism. There IS with fascism.

fascism is mush more of a political ideology than an economic one (which make the comparison moronic and much akin to my analogy.) Your farmer and fisherman 'analogy' is a farce and doesn't make sense at all.

in fact, I will refrain from making analogies so I don't cause you any confusion.

The real comparison should be a fascist country versus one who has a capitalist economy policy, not fascism versus capitalism alone. I have implied that through out this discussion but I am just pointing it out now.

The fisherman is the USA, it produces fish (meat represents capitalistic policies)

The farm is a fascist state, it can either produce meat (making it capitalist) or produce vegetables (nationalizing)

If a fascist country decides to become capitalist than it will have similarities when compared to a capitalistic country like the USA. The original argument presented by you was one that stated that making that comparison was moronic because a fascist country could easily choose to nationalize their industries.

Yes I am sorry, I messed up my wording somewhere, but don't steer this away because of that...

*edit: how the farm and fishery produces their food is equivalent to how they manage their economies

Edited November 3, 2008 by Hcheh

[Hcheh]

you initially said it was moronic to compare a fascist country with a country that has capitalistic ideals (USA) , to illustrate that point, you made an analogy. Now, I made the farm and fishery analogy to show how if they choose to share the same economic policy, it would not be moronic or far fetched to make the comparison.

We could go on talking about the social policies of the farm and the fishery, but this is just about their economies.. I do agree fascists are evil though..

[White Doors]

Perhaps an excavator and bulldozer emoticon as well.

[Hcheh]

Okay fine, you tell me how your genius little farm v.s. ICBM analogy is very plausible in terms of sharing similar economic policies.. As I understand it, you made such a comparison to show how comparing a fascist society and a capitalist one like the USA was moronic and far fetched:

Fascists can also believe in 'nationalizing' all industry so it is a moronic statement to make.

I made the farm and fishery one to show that it is not very far fetched.. The only thing similar in the farm silo and ICBM analogy was how it looks, the shape.. and I know that economic policies are not as simple as the shape of two different things.

So please, how is comparing a fascist country's economy with the USA's economy dumb and far fetched?

[kengs333]

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Are you by some bizzarre inferance trying to suggest that the life of females under harsh theocratic rule is no worse than the life of females here in Canada?

[kengs333]

So the farmers or the fishermen are the fascists?

LOL

Actually, the Nazis derived a considerable amount of support from farmers. It's interesting that the CPC does the same...

[kengs333]

I had the misfortune of reading M.Dancer's post when I wasn't logged in, so I suppose I'm oblidged to respond: personally, I'm inclined to think that his type type are partial to creating a culture that imbues people with a inherent sense of self-hate and self-destruction.

[Sir Bandelot]

Its not unusual to have an argument about the meaning of fascism. The word has been abused in its meaning since the defeat of the nazis, used as an insult for all kinds of things that are not at all fascist in its original conception.

I said fascism should more rightly be called corporatism, because that is a direct quote from Benito Mussolini, the man who basically created fascism. But he also went on to say that fascism is many other things too, even including spiritualism. Fascism attenpted to embrace all aspects of human society.

For the record, here is what historical experts agree is the meaning of fascism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"English-speaking (and other) historians, political scientists, and other scholars have engaged in long and furious debates concerning the exact nature of fascism.[41] However since the 1990s scholars have begun to gather a rough consensus on the system's core tenets."

Sounds a bit like you guys. I wonder if they called each other moron.

"Fascism is a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti conservative nationalism. As such it is an ideology deeply bound up with modernization and modernity. It manifested itself primarily to generate a populist mass movement through a programme of radical policies which promised to overcome a threat posed by international socialism, to end the degeneration affecting the nation under liberalism, and to bring about a radical renewal of social, political and cultural life as part of what was widely imagined to be the new era being inaugurated in Western civilization. The core mobilizing myth of fascism is the vision of the nation's imminent rebirth from decadence."

Does it sound familiar at all...

Edited November 4, 2008 by Sir Bandelot

[Hcheh]

it is not moronic to draw up the same characteristics of different ideologies.. sure they can believe in nationalizing industry, the term fascism has always been elusive when it comes to definition. it doesn't make it moronic to say that fascists share can capitalist traits or whatever

Its not unusual to have an argument about the meaning of fascism. The word has been abused in its meaning since the defeat of the nazis, used as an insult for all kinds of things that are not at all fascist in its original conception.

I said fascism should more rightly be called corporatism, because that is a direct quote from Benito Mussolini, the man who basically created fascism. But he also went on to say that fascism is many other things too, even including spiritualism. Fascism attenpted to embrace all aspects of human society.

For the record, here is what historical experts agree is the meaning of fascism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"English-speaking (and other) historians, political scientists, and other scholars have engaged in long and furious debates concerning the exact nature of fascism.[41] However since the 1990s scholars have begun to gather a rough consensus on the system's core tenets."

Sounds a bit like you guys. I wonder if they called each other moron.

Yes thank you, it is as I have pointed out.

I never called him a moron though, nor have I called his posts moronic.

All's just supposed to be friendly debating..