Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in Somalia

[M.Dancer]

Not to mention keep up with the spelling... or use the spell checker for those who can't.

I know the origin of the quote has been disputed, but theres(sic) no doubt about the validity of its meaning. read the bio of Mussolini himself its(sic) full of references to corporatism.

Fascinating though that on a page about corporatism, it disputes the validity of any connection to fascism, despite the obvious clarity of it on all other pages. I wonder why?

And what are these guilds... collections of business and trade organizations. Not the boy scouts

Most towns and cities are corporations.

Are they fascist?

[Sir Bandelot]

Most towns and cities are corporations.

Are they fascist?

Such challenging questions.

[M.Dancer]

Such challenging questions.

If you knew what you were talking about, they wouldn't be.

[Hcheh]

Not to mention keep up with the spelling... or use the spell checker for those who can't.

I know the origin of the quote has been disputed, but theres no doubt about the validity of its meaning. read the bio of Mussolini himself its full of references to corporatism.

Fascinating though that on a page about corporatism, it disputes the validity of any connection to fascism, despite the obvious clarity of it on all other pages. I wonder why?

And what are these guilds... collections of business and trade organizations. Not the boy scouts

As the definition of "fascism" remains elusive, we cannot expect to find indisputable articles on fascism and its characteristics..

Most towns and cities are corporations.

Are they fascist?

No, because it is only a possible tenant of fascism.. Also, just saying "towns" and "cities" is too ambiguous, there are many other features that can define a town or city

[Mr.Canada]

Fascists are actually corporatists. The term islamo-fascist has to be the stupidist bushism of all time. I would not use the term fascist to describe muslims in any way. The truth is that most of the western nations, where corporations have legal rights enshrined in the constitution are the real fascists.

Getting back to Somalia, what I said earlier means that the problem is not new there at all, and while I agree this story is horrific and truly sad, nothing has been done about it. I can only assume in the most cynical fashion that since there is no economic gain to sending troops there, unlike Iraq, the situation will continue.

Well, it's now obvious that some on MLW support Sharia law and condones 13 year old girls, who have been raped, getting stoned to death, we can move on.

I don't really care what happens in some God forsaken land. The more that die the less aid money we send in order to fund warlords like these. I want the government to spend money raising our standard of life not some people who want to murder all the white farmers so that they can have a "Black Africa" and reach their goals. Once they have some fairness for all Africans then we can help you, not before.

[Hcheh]

Well, it's now obvious that some on MLW support Sharia law and condones 13 year old girls, who have been raped, getting stoned to death, we can move on.

Who supports the Sharia law and condones abusing 13 year old girls?

[M.Dancer]

No, because it is only a possible tenant of fascism.. Also, just saying "towns" and "cities" is too ambiguous, there are many other features that can define a town or city

I'll post it again.

Historically, corporatism (Italian: corporativismo) refers to a political or economic system in which power is held by civic assemblies that represent economic, industrial, agrarian, social, cultural, and/or professional groups. These civic assemblies are known as corporations (not the same as the legally incorporated business entities known as corporations, though some are such).

That pretty well describes every town or city, They all have economic development boards with sitting members form the business and labour community.

[Hcheh]

I'll post it again.

That pretty well describes every town or city, They all have economic development boards with sitting members form the business and labour community.

Well , on that sense alone, you could argue the comparisons. However, that isn't saying all towns and cities are fascists because of the other social and political factors that defines a town. All the political ideologies share and borrow different concepts from each other, especially ones that only started arising in a more modern era

[White Doors]

Not a nazi, a fascist. There is a difference.

Actually a post neo-fascist

Still waiting for some proof!

Proof that Harper and the CPC are what.. Post-Neo-fascist-kitten eaters.

haha

[White Doors]

Never said that, and don't think it either. Keep digging and avoiding the real debate, it only makes you irrelevant.

pay attention, that wasn't directed to you.

If you paid attention more perhaps you wouldn't think Harper was.. what is it now? Oh yeah, a 'Post-Neo-Fascist"

haha

[Hcheh]

Yes, well, perhaps that has something to do with the fact the NDP isn't communist and is socialist. Calling them Socialists isn't an insult or an exaggeration.

Calling the Conservatives fascists or neo-fascists is tinfoil hat territory.

Yes, it is pretty clear that Layton has some socialist leaning policies.. If that is good or bad, that is another debate..

Socialism isn't very radical, it isn't communism. And yeah, Conservatives are not fascists.. that is out of reach

*EDIT: I always hear people calling Bush (not saying he is a good leader), Harper or whatever a bunch of fascists.. They are not radical enough to be fascists and yet they still call those leaders fascists. I wonder what people will say if the country is ever run by actual fascists..

Edited November 4, 2008 by Hcheh

[White Doors]

Such challenging questions.

I'm going to ask my corner gas station/convenience store tomorrow if they are fascists.

[M.Dancer]

Well , on that sense alone, you could argue the comparisons. However, that isn't saying all towns and cities are fascists because of the other social and political factors that defines a town. All the political ideologies share and borrow different concepts from each other, especially ones that only started arising in a more modern era

So in other words, using "corporatism" as the litmus test as to whether something is fascist is pretty mush idiotic.

[Hcheh]

So in other words, using "corporatism" as the litmus test as to whether something is fascist is pretty mush idiotic.

Well yes, I never said it was the "litmus test", I just said there are comparisons. Yes, I have said that there is so much more to fascism than corporatism..etc.etc.

Fascism is quite ambiguous, it would never be that easy to use one term to define a fascist state

[Sir Bandelot]

Still waiting for some proof!

Proof that Harper and the CPC are what.. Post-Neo-fascist-kitten eaters.

haha

Good luck finding one of dose tings.

"A proof is a proof, and when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven."

[Sir Bandelot]

I'm going to ask my corner gas station/convenience store tomorrow if they are fascists.

Do they ask their employees to wear a uniform?

[Sir Bandelot]

So in other words, using "corporatism" as the litmus test as to whether something is fascist is pretty mush idiotic.

Not idiotic. It could be wrong, but not idiotic. Please, you are doing the idiots a dis-service

[Sir Bandelot]

Most towns and cities are corporations.

Are they fascist?

Apples are fruit. All fruit are not apples. Then there is the fruitcake...

[M.Dancer]

Then there is the fruitcake...

Who claim the CPC are fascists...

[Mr.Canada]

Who supports the Sharia law and condones abusing 13 year old girls?

Personal attacks are not permitted on MLW. I'd like to keep the discussion about the ideas and not the person.

[Hcheh]

Personal attacks are not permitted on MLW. I'd like to keep the discussion about the ideas and not the person.

Yes, some people were starting to get a bit ad hominid, but what does that have to do with supporting Sharia laws and abusing 13 year old girls?

Well, it's now obvious that some on MLW support Sharia law and condones 13 year old girls, who have been raped, getting stoned to death, we can move on.

Edited November 4, 2008 by Hcheh

[M.Dancer]

Personal attacks are not permitted on MLW. I'd like to keep the discussion about the ideas and not the person.

You should really try and pay attention.

[Mr.Canada]

You should really try and pay attention.

"NO PERSONAL ATTACKS

Please respect others using this board by refraining from personal attacks. There is a huge difference between disagreeing with a thought or idea and attacking an individual. We encourage lively debate and intelligent critiques of others viewpoints, not tirades against another poster."

Source

I posted this for everyone to see as I am not trolling or breaking any rules I also posted the source url for the current rule set.

The way I see it if people are resorting to these types of attacks it can't be good for useful discussion.

I'll now try to keep this topic on topic. I don't think this type of law is very good for anyone and is too extreme and petty. I hope Canada never decides to enact this Sharia Law. Some groups in Ontario have already tried to have some form of Sharia Law enacted. So far we've been able to resist this Law. Perhaps it will come to be at some point. Who knows. If it does I'll leave.

[M.Dancer]

Well, it's now obvious that some on MLW support Sharia law and condones 13 year old girls, who have been raped, getting stoned to death, we can move on.

What were you saying about personal attacks? How about just being fatuous?

Kthxbye

[kengs333]

Post useful information, and with greater clarity.

That's asking the impossible from M.Dancer. May as well ask him to climb Everest in nothing more than a pair of Speedos.